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Renwood 06-16-2008 01:02 PM

Renwood's Blag for GameTavern Fora NO SUICIDE POETRY HERE
 
I completed Metal Gear Solid 4 early Saturday morning. As an experience, it was amazing. The gameplay, especially in Act 2, felt like great progress for the series while still retaining the core of what makes Metal Gear Metal Gear.

What I was less captivated by was the actual story. Presentation was good, and the voice acting, while still not as good as 1 or 2 (I feel the series has gone down a bit with each passing game in this area), is still better than the majority of games. I think a part of the problem is how the dialogue and script are structured. Its always been stilted with these interludes of character monologues of the atrocities of war and nuclear weapons, and full of corny unrealistic dialogue, but, for me, it has never been as awkward as it can become in this game.

Maybe its the localization, but characters seem to explain out everything multiple times. Lines like "your father" are immediately followed with "...Big Boss," as if beat the player over the head about what precisely is being discussed.

The bosses continue their backstory decline from 3, and this again can be partly attributed to a lack of good explanation via the story structure. You are given little to no context when actually fighting bosses. Only after they are beaten do you receive the standard MGS boss sob story on why they are so damn evil. The problem is that in MGS1 and 2, this backstory was partially revealed or at least touched on before you fought the bosses, and then, those bosses themselves gave the final word as they lay dying. In MGS4, you get all the info from a third party, and it just makes these characters' already detached stories feel all the more irrelevant in the scheme of things.

The answers... Metal Gear Solid 4 does answer nearly everything in some manner. It makes Metal Gear Solid 3 an even more essential piece of the storyline, and leaves little unvoiced. The problem here is that the answers just aren't always that good or convincing. If you turn your brain off a bit to what the series has shown thus far, it can work, but some of the revelations are a bitter pill to swallow, and really draw into questions the way a lot of previous events played out, especially in MGS2.

In fact, these revelations almost feel like they necessitate a prequel of their own, between MGS3 and the MGS1 (not Portable Ops!) to truly flesh out what is described as a pretty titanic moment in the MGS universe.

I look at what I've written and know how negative a lot of it sounds, and thats disappointing to me, because I don't think it truly frames my idea of the game. Simply as an experience, the game is amazing. The climactic ending gameplay segments of Act 5, the entirety of Act 4, and scenes throughout Acts 1 through 3 are what made me enjoy myself so much in spite of my complaints, and that enjoyment was so high as to almost negate all the problems. I've restarted the game, and free of the overhanging plot, the game feels all the more open for the parts I enjoyed.

I feel like Jeremy Perish from 1UP has come closest to my feelings about the game in that respect: Acts 1 through 3 walk that good line between gameplay moments and cutscenes. And I want to replay them a lot. But Act 4 and, especially, Act 5 skew harshly in the direction of the cutscenes, and I don't know how many times I really want to skip through those portions.

Overall, fantastic game.

Oh, and I killed some boars in WoW, lol.

Fox 6 06-16-2008 02:58 PM

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Is anyone living inside an arm or leg or any other appandage? ;)

Renwood 06-16-2008 03:00 PM

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No. Unfortunately, that would make more sense than the actual explanation, within the context of what has transpired.

Fox 6 06-16-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Renwood (Post 229289)
No. Unfortunately, that would make more sense than the actual explanation, within the context of what has transpired.




Better?

birdman 06-16-2008 04:55 PM

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MSPaint fail. Spelled codec wrong.

Fox 6 06-16-2008 05:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman (Post 229317)
MSPaint fail. Spelled codec wrong.

Youre right, but i spelled codex right. point me. fail goes to you.

birdman 06-16-2008 05:37 PM

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Codex makes no sense in the Metal Gear context. Ball in your court.

Fox 6 06-16-2008 05:39 PM

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OBV....


Thats the MSG 4 TOTAL RECALL universe. Slam dunked in your hoop.

birdman 06-16-2008 05:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox 6 (Post 229331)
OBV....


Thats the MSG 4 TOTAL RECALL universe. Slam dunked in your hoop.

Paint job then fails for not using required picture of 3-boobed chick when implementing Total Recall.

Renwood 06-16-2008 05:53 PM

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I'll see your Total Recall and raise you


Salad Sneak

Fox 6 06-16-2008 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman (Post 229336)
Paint job then fails for not using required picture of 3-boobed chick when implementing Total Recall.

But the context of the whole quote and the point of the hwolepicture was about a guy living inside a body part or appendage.

birdman 06-16-2008 06:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox 6 (Post 229340)
But the context of the whole quote and the point of the hwolepicture was about a guy living inside a body part or appendage.

And my point was using Metal Gear plot twisting to negate and confuse your argument. :P

Fox 6 06-16-2008 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman (Post 229342)
And my point was using Metal Gear plot twisting to negate and confuse your argument. :P

Just accept it that you cant created anythign in 2 and a half minutes that is as good as that, shut up or put up ;) :p

Renwood 06-16-2008 06:03 PM

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edit: also annoying

Fox 6 06-16-2008 06:05 PM

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Was i quoting you? theres no dressig on that salad. At least some vinagerette or soemthing, jeez.

Renwood 06-16-2008 06:07 PM

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edit: annoying

birdman 06-16-2008 06:09 PM

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Renwood 06-16-2008 06:10 PM

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needs a surveillance camera

Fox 6 06-16-2008 06:11 PM

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And to be good

birdman 06-16-2008 06:12 PM

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Renwood 06-16-2008 06:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox 6 (Post 229351)
And to be good

you've kind of turned into bitch whats up with that you seem to hate life all of a sudden man is everything ok

birdman 06-16-2008 06:16 PM

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Renwood 06-16-2008 06:17 PM

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Old Snake's face is smooth as a baby's bottom. That shit ain't canon.

Fox 6 06-16-2008 06:17 PM

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:lol: Im good. Just a little energized...... dunno weird feeling. Its not drugs if thats what your wondering.... :lol:

Renwood 06-16-2008 06:18 PM

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alright cool beans i am here if you need to talk man i love you

birdman 06-16-2008 06:21 PM

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Fox 6 06-16-2008 06:22 PM

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*he aint heavy..... hes my brother.*


Cool beans. Seems the jerk storm has passed.

Otacon?

Renwood 06-16-2008 06:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman (Post 229364)

there is no new metal gear for snake to be surprised by in this game jluk god

Aladuf 06-16-2008 06:26 PM

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HAI GUYZ WATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?!

birdman 06-16-2008 06:28 PM

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Renwood 06-16-2008 06:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aladuf (Post 229371)
HAI GUYZ WATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?!

Way to postwhore. :rollseyes:

Aladuf 06-16-2008 06:29 PM

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sad face

Renwood 06-16-2008 06:32 PM

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hey aladuf do you like my avatar or how about THIS


Aladuf 06-16-2008 06:34 PM

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Anybody who rocks a Drama avatar is fine by me. I can has one? I couldn't ever find a gif of drama :(

or gimme a new Ari one! :D

Anybody who can find all the seasons of Entourage to download will be a god. I started seasons 1 and 2 again recently but don't have the rest of the series on dvd so I'm dying here.

Renwood 06-16-2008 06:35 PM

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Aladuf 06-16-2008 06:36 PM

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OMG! can you make me a gif of the very end of it where is face is all traumatized looking?!?!?!

Renwood 06-16-2008 06:37 PM

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if buy for you you mean for me then yes I can

Aladuf 06-16-2008 06:39 PM

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what the shit are you talking about?

All I wantz is a gif and seasons of Entourage to dl.

Fox 6 06-16-2008 06:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman (Post 229373)

Make sure liquid is in arm form.

GameMaster 06-16-2008 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Renwood (Post 229392)

Wow, that must be in Season 4 or 5 because I would've remembered seeing that!


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