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Teuthida 12-05-2005 10:19 PM

IGN Revolution channel open
 
http://revolution.ign.com

Just incase you didn't know.


Revolution Tech Details
Quote:

To be honest, it's not much more powerful than an Xbox. It's like a souped up Xbox.
Game List
Animal Crossing Revolution Nintendo 2007
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles Revolution Square Enix TBA
Kid Icarus Revolution TBA TBA
Killing Day TBA 2006
King Kong Ubisoft France 2006
Legend of Zelda Revolution Nintendo 2007
Mario Revolution Nintendo 2006
Metroid Prime 3 Retro Studios TBA
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest Eurocom 2006
Super Smash Bros. Revolution Nintendo TBA
The Darkness Starbreeze AB TBA
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 4

Jason1 12-05-2005 10:42 PM

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Yea. I still wonder about those specs. I mean, who knows. Seems theyre going by pure speculation at this point. And there is still no word on what the GPU will be like.

Dark Samurai 12-05-2005 10:46 PM

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I'm liking the header... looking just shazzy!

DarkMaster 12-05-2005 11:17 PM

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Minus the "Revolution" at the top, it is exactly the same as the PS2 page. Pretty meh if I do say so.

Jonbo298 12-05-2005 11:23 PM

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Well, a first for IGN it seems on giving the channel but could they honestly blame them for having to do so?

But after reading the spec's, I think I'll at least have a Rev and PS3. Rev for the unique/fun games and PS3 for the "OMGWTFPWNZR GRAFFIX AND GAMES"

GameMaster 12-06-2005 12:13 AM

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Nintendo's machine will simply not deliver the same graphic horsepower as its competitors. Revolution is all about the controller and what it can do for gameplay experiences.
*feels disappointed*

I can't help it, part of the excitement of next generation consoles for me has always been improved graphics. A souped up Xbox would have nice graphics but they won't be as impressive as PS3 and Xbox 360 graphics. Still intrigued with the gameply though. Who knows, maybe the control scheme and gameplay will be so innovative and interesting that I won't mind played-down graphics.

Neo 12-06-2005 12:13 AM

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About f'ing time.

Dyne 12-06-2005 01:13 AM

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Animal Crosssssssssssssssing :cool:

Professor S 12-06-2005 01:38 AM

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I'm still very hesitant about the controller. To me, the now traditional D-pad set-up is ideal. It helps create a seamless bond between the gamer and the game. In my mind, if you have to think about the controller functionality after 30 minutes of gameplay, the game has failed you in a way.

I'll have to wait and see how it pans out. Maybe the new Nintendo controller will be the wave of the future... but it looks more like it will be doomed to follow the Virtual Boy. I do honestly hope I'm wrong, and th new controller is simply brilliant, but this new strategy by Nintendo for consoles just confounds me.

Crash 12-06-2005 02:26 AM

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Quote:

To be honest, it's not much more powerful than an Xbox. It's like a souped up Xbox.

So it will be about as powerful as Xbox 360 eh?

thatmariolover 12-06-2005 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash
So it will be about as powerful as Xbox 360 eh?

My take on that comment is that end generation Revolution games might look like first generation 360 games.

But I've got an open mind, and I'm not really worried about it. As of right now I'll be getting a Revolution to compliment a 360 or PS3. That might change, but right now it's really getting to be a lot clearer to me what Nintendo's trying to do and it really could work - I'm sold on it at this point. But they've gotta convince the general public of that because without support for the idea it's going to die prematurely.

Jonbo298 12-06-2005 03:48 AM

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It wouldnt surprise me if Ninty launches Rev at $150 or so considering the guts of the machine wont be that much higher hten current ones and with how cheap hardware can get in 5 years, who knows...

Crash 12-06-2005 01:02 PM

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naw, they'll launch at $199 or $250

They don't wanna be in that "It's-cheap-because-its-crap" category.

thatmariolover 12-06-2005 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash
naw, they'll launch at $199 or $250

They don't wanna be in that "It's-cheap-because-its-crap" category.

I really don't think Nintendo will go higher than $200 on a standard package. But at the same time, Nintendo's never been in the business of losing money on hardware like Microsoft has been - they'll charge what they need to charge and lower the price when they can.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a Microsoft with a Nintendo Download & Play package that was slightly more expensive with a point card for downloading old Nintendo Games and extra goodies. Maybe a $200 base, $250 Special Edition?

Canyarion 12-06-2005 05:01 PM

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Excellent idea Mariolover. :) I can imagine paying $50 extra, just to be able to download the toppers that I want.

Not that I don't have them already, but sometimes it can be hard to play on broken consolers/controllers. :(

Crash 12-06-2005 09:37 PM

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from IGN


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Software houses we spoke with also waxed on the immediate advantage to Nintendo's approach with Revolution, which is, of course, system price. Every developer was in agreement that Revolution should launch with a price tag of $149 or lower. Some speculated that based on the tech, a $99 price point would not be out of the question.

Teuthida 12-06-2005 09:49 PM

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Good point:

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So that's it. Nintendo is more or less out of the high-end console race. At this rate it wouldn't matter if they doubled the GCN userbase. Their console will be more of a "toy" than an actual cutting edge system. They will make a nice profit on every system and they will drown themselves in their own circle jerk of jizz and group think. Next-gen, there will be three catagories of gaming, X360 and PS3, Handhelds, and the Revolution. It will be a completely different system in its own niche market. Congrats Nindendo, you have won the console race by defualt. You're the only player in your own market.

DarrenMcLeod 12-06-2005 11:11 PM

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Haha nice quote Teuth... where'd that come from?

Teuthida 12-06-2005 11:13 PM

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Someone on the IGN boards. I thought it made a lot of sense.

thatmariolover 12-06-2005 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Teuthida
Someone on the IGN boards. I thought it made a lot of sense.

It does make a lot of sense, but the person saying has a lot of hostility. Whereas Nintendo's almost guaranteed to succeed on one level or another simply because they're offering something different.

You can look at what they're doing negatively or positively - that guy's negative - I'm positive for now.

Teuthida 12-07-2005 01:25 AM

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http://gamecubeturbo.ytmnd.com/

http://revolutionamcry.ytmnd.com/

GameMaster 12-07-2005 02:02 AM

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Online petitions can change things...

If people want a more powerful Revolution, it only has to be a mouse click away...

BlueFire 12-07-2005 08:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GameMaster
Online petitions can change things...

If people want a more powerful Revolution, it only has to be a mouse click away...

and a year or two away

Bond 12-07-2005 08:29 PM

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OMFG. I ain't buying GameCube 1.5.

Jonbo298 12-08-2005 12:59 AM

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But you'll buy Xbox 1.5? :p

DeathsHand 12-08-2005 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298
But you'll buy Xbox 1.5? :p

If 360 is Xbox 1.5, then I'd guess that Rev. would be more like a Gamecube 1.2...

Canyarion 12-08-2005 05:21 AM

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Wouldn't it be more like.... 1.a? It's not just an update, it gives something totally new.

Jonbo298 12-08-2005 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand
If 360 is Xbox 1.5, then I'd guess that Rev. would be more like a Gamecube 1.2...

*rimshot*

:D :D

DeathsHand 12-08-2005 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Canyarion
Wouldn't it be more like.... 1.a? It's not just an update, it gives something totally new.

Not really, as the system doesn't give something new, the controller does...

And technically the controller could be used on any system... They could have released it as a controller for the Gamecube if add-ons sold well and were actually used by developers :p

But since add-ons and such fail, they're basing a whole new system on it, in essence making consumers buy a whole new system for (what we hear will be) a minor graphical upgrade, and the new controller...

But eh... I'm really curious to see how it sells... Will it continue Nintendo's downward trend in sales? I remember having those debates back before GameCube came out... Nintendo fans were sure GameCube would be a success (glory days of SNES!), and I said it would probably continue Nintendo's downward trend for console sales...


Only this time instead of the Nintendo fan's arguement being "It's powerful and affordable!", it's "It has a new controller and it's affordable!!"...

This will be an interesting generation indeed... :>

Canyarion 12-08-2005 04:34 PM

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Why did you have to post that pic, it makes me sad. :(

But fortunately I can flip the switch, so I don't care about it. :D

Jonbo298 12-08-2005 05:20 PM

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NES didnt really have a direct competitor, per se.

SNES had Genesis so that cut the sales down obviously

N64 had the PS1 and for a short time the Saturn so with the rabid success of the PS1, that cut it also.

Gamecube has the PS2 and Xbox to deal with and well...the fact gaming has gone inanely mainstream thanks to the PS2 and Xbox :p

Thats my excuses for Nintendo's dwindling sales :D

DeathsHand 12-08-2005 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298
NES didnt really have a direct competitor, per se.

SNES had Genesis so that cut the sales down obviously

N64 had the PS1 and for a short time the Saturn so with the rabid success of the PS1, that cut it also.

Gamecube has the PS2 and Xbox to deal with and well...the fact gaming has gone inanely mainstream thanks to the PS2 and Xbox :p

Thats my excuses for Nintendo's dwindling sales :D

That's a great excuse... The Nintendo brand can compete when there's no competition :p

GameMaster 12-08-2005 06:42 PM

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For a true gamer, it's not about playing the best games or getting the best features. It's about loyalty. And since the Nintendo came before PlayStation and Xbox, only true video gamers remain loyal to, support and play Nintendo. Support for any other system is just a paltry attempt to jump on the trendy digital-age bandwagon.

Jonbo298 12-08-2005 11:03 PM

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But what about Sega? :p Granted, they have stopped hardware but still ;)

The Germanator 12-08-2005 11:05 PM

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Master System Vs. NES

Just so you don't forget.

*fondles his Master System*

Jonbo298 12-08-2005 11:15 PM

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Ah yes, the Master system...the console most never knew :p

DarrenMcLeod 12-09-2005 12:18 AM

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Wonderboy!

DeathsHand 12-09-2005 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Germanator
Master System Vs. NES

Just so you don't forget.

*fondles his Master System*

I can fondle mine too! *fondles his Master System*...

Unfortunately I don't own many games on it... But it's worth it for Rampage and Choplifter... :sneaky:

Perhaps you have some recommendations as to what games I should seek out? :O

I mean uhh... Yeah how bout that IGN revolution channel...

thatmariolover 12-09-2005 02:55 AM

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This gaming generation is different from every other; or so everyone keeps saying. But I personally don’t buy it at all. Looking at the past console eras I feel these consoles themselves are probably less changed from their direct predecessors than any other generation of consoles. The graphical leap from NES to SNES might not be completely apparent to most people, but Nintendo multiplied their processing power by almost 100 every way around. From the number of sprites they could have on the screen at once to the color pallet they had at their disposal, the jump was huge.

Look at the next jump, from SNES to N64; it was still a huge leap. From 2D to 3D – even the PSX was a massive jump. But that jump put the wrong idea into the head of almost everybody in the Industry – even Nintendo. The N64 was advertised as the most powerful system available – and affordable too. Everybody saw the leaps in graphical capability as exponentially and expected it to continue; until the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube came out. Then I think the console makers started to understand what they were getting themselves into and what was happening.

Microsoft may be an exception because of their relatively recent venture into the console entertainment market. Then again, they're generally fairly shrewd about their business practices. I think Sony and Nintendo on the other hand realized full well what was expected of them and what kinds of limitations they were going to run into. From every rumor available Sony’s apparently decided to deliver another huge jump no matter what the cost to the company or consumer; maybe I’ll get a PS3 when the time comes if it’s reasonable – but what happens the generation after this one? Nintendo on the other hand decided not to change the hardware so much as offer a decent jump in graphics and combine it with new concepts for the way we should be expecting games to change. Two to three times as powerful as the Gamecube isn’t something to be shrugged at. And for the price point that so many groups and industry analysts are expecting it seems more than reasonable.

I don’t want my point lost before I’m done so here it is. I’ve been coming to Game Tavern in some form or another almost since the very beginning to see most of us really grow in terms of our concepts and understanding of the gaming industry. Most of us were massively opinionated fan-boys (or girls) of one persuasion or another (myself included) when we first came here. But through tons of debates and arguments our enthusiasm for the gaming industry was tempered. And most of us seemed to really come to an understanding that graphics didn’t make a game before, and they’re not going to make a game now. They can help you be immersed in the world you’re in and I can understand that – because I like amazing graphics as much as the next guy.

So many people think that Nintendo’s going to lose out on this next generation. But Nintendo knows how to choose their fights and I think they have a real chance to succeed. They’ve chosen to not compete on a playing field that they know they can’t win on. Nintendo’s playing a different game and if they can convince other people to play with them then they've already won - because they've got no competition. I am a Nintendo fan - and maybe I don't come from the perspective of some of you. But I think that most of you are being naive if you are willing to believe Nintendo is dead without seeing its lifeless corpse in the cold earth.

DeathsHand 12-09-2005 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by thatmariolover
Nintendo’s playing a different game and if they can convince other people to play with them then they've already won - because they've got no competition.

"If they can convince other people to play"... That's exactly the issue...

Personally, I don't think they can... Just a hunch, of course... If we were placing bets, I'd put my money on Rev. being somewhat of a 'failure' (although that word may be a bit too harsh)...

But like I said, just a hunch... There's no real hard evidence as of yet to show that it will go one way or the other... And that's why I'm really interested (moreso than last gen) to see what happens with the Rev... Because it's so different, how will things play out for it?

Will consumers embrace the new controller? Will developers?
Will people take a look at the graphics and say "You get what you pay for. *puts down the Rev. and picks up a PS3/360*"? Or will they dig the idea of being able to play games in a different way for less?

Tune in next time!


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