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Crash 05-19-2005 05:09 AM

Star Wars *Spoilers*
 
Freaking awesome movie. Better than previous two by leaps and bounds. Actually has some decent acting and SOME emotion, not just stupid robots and people both talking like robots. Great flick check it out. Pics to follow.

Here's Solid Snake and I posing with a cool vader and a midget imperial guard.


Me and a Storm Trooper

Canyarion 05-19-2005 05:13 AM

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Ah, we didn't have a thread about episode 3 yet? :)

I'm going to see it in 9 days. :D
I hear it's great, answers a lot of stuff.

Happydude 05-19-2005 07:06 AM

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seeing as how i haven't watched any of the other SW movies...or at least haven't payed attention when watching them, i don't think i'll be seeing this one until after i see the rest in the order that they were released....and that's not going to be anytime soon, i'm way too lazy to go rent them.

Joeiss 05-19-2005 10:52 AM

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Crash, that isn't a stormtrooper, it is a sand trooper. Get it right.

I'm seeing this movie at noon! I can't wait, I'm super pumped!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Crash 05-19-2005 11:10 AM

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here is a video of the first HALF of the line

http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=36...K0A2V5H0DB34PE
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Teuthida 05-19-2005 11:27 AM

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Why go to the theaters when you can...

...Lucas has spies everywhere...

...got nothing on me George...

...

Jason1 05-19-2005 12:10 PM

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Kinda got roped into going to a midnight showing last night...

I was glad I did. It really is the best of the newer 3, although that really isnt saying a lot. Better than any of the original 3? Probably not. Overall though, I was pretty impressed.

MuGen 05-19-2005 02:05 PM

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This movie has been +repped by Sony... good work Lucas.. LOL

DeathsHand 05-19-2005 02:43 PM

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I as well saw the movie at a midnight show, and it WAS amazing...

To me it never really felt like it dragged, and the few bits of awkward dialogue didn't really take away from the rest of the movie...

The worst part was that awkward "Noooooo!" with the whole camera pulling out deal... Come on, can't anybody think up a better way to have someone express their emotion in that kind of situation without a "NOOOOO!!!!"...

Crash 05-19-2005 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand
I as well saw the movie at a midnight show, and it WAS amazing...

To me it never really felt like it dragged, and the few bits of awkward dialogue didn't really take away from the rest of the movie...

The worst part was that awkward "Noooooo!" with the whole camera pulling out deal... Come on, can't anybody think up a better way to have someone express their emotion in that kind of situation without a "NOOOOO!!!!"...


agreed... vader can't say no very well... heh

shoulda been like. "Oh I did? Dammit!"

DeathsHand 05-19-2005 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash
agreed... vader can't say no very well... heh

shoulda been like. "Oh I did? Dammit!"

If you ask me, he shouldn't have replied with words...

He should have broken free (or maybe they would have just let him free, on account'a they were finished 'making' him), asked the question, got his answer, and then started all that force-crushing of the crap around him... Or at least think up a better thing to say than "Noooo!" without turning him into a heartless little machine...

I think some people were expecting him to be like... As soon as he's in his suit, he's a heartless bastard!!!

Whatever though, it was kinda a goofy moment but the rest of the movie makes up for it...

Crash 05-19-2005 04:08 PM

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not ever being a rabid star wars fan, not going nuts over the original trilogy, i like this movie more than all star wars movies


i wish they'd make the last 3 movies, so I can see the jedi republic rebuilt. They wont do that though. no conflict there.

Joeiss 05-19-2005 04:47 PM

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I thought that Vader yelling "Nooo" was great. It just shows how Sidius has him under his full control, and his complete siding with the Sith.

DeathsHand 05-19-2005 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss
I thought that Vader yelling "Nooo" was great. It just shows how Sidius has him under his full control, and his complete siding with the Sith.

While I agree with you somewhat, what with the Emporer having him under his control, and of course that would be a very, very big realization for Anakin... He went through all that, wasn't able to stop the vision in his dreams, and now he's some sort of freak robot-man... And I really felt that...

I guess the problem is, anytime anyone in any movie, game, or TV show yells "Nooooo!" in a serious dramatic way, it just comes off as cheese, and the writers taking the easy way out...

Crash 05-19-2005 06:11 PM

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not true, I thought the NOOOO that sam yelled in return of the king was freaking awesome!

Swan 05-19-2005 06:22 PM

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I saw it this morning at about 9:30 for school, freakin' awesome. I knew within the first 10 minutes that I liked it more then the other two prequels. Some things bothered me though. I thought the battle with Grievous was a bit short. I also found it a bit annoying that the final battle was with two of the same colour lightsabers. I don't know why but it really bothered.

I have one question, what would happen if you pushed the buttons on Vaders chest?

DeathsHand 05-19-2005 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by deejzguy
I have one question, what would happen if you pushed the buttons on Vaders chest?

He would say one of the various recorded messages...

Teuthida 05-19-2005 08:06 PM

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I shall watch it soon. Good quality it be.

Acebot44 05-19-2005 08:45 PM

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Thank god nobody's flocking to the movies. I'll probably be seeing Friday Night/Saturday Morning or whatever you'd call 12:15. I love watching movies at night :)

Crash 05-19-2005 09:12 PM

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the only thing that bothered me was the stupid lizard thing that sounded like a wounded dog.

i also knew within 10 minutes that it was better than the first two. I was surprised the the increased robot talk didn't annoy me and still was funny. great movie!

Joeiss 05-19-2005 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by deejzguy
I saw it this morning at about 9:30 for school, freakin' awesome. I knew within the first 10 minutes that I liked it more then the other two prequels. Some things bothered me though. I thought the battle with Grievous was a bit short. I also found it a bit annoying that the final battle was with two of the same colour lightsabers. I don't know why but it really bothered.

General Grievous is no match for a Jedi Master, that is why the light saber fight was as short as it was. Though Dooku trained Grievous well, Obiwan is just the man.

If anything, I thought the same coloured light saber fight was great. It showed that Anakin truly turned his back on the Jedi. Plus, Old Ben gives Anakin's saber to Luke in Episode IV, and it is blue, so they had to tie that in.

Teuthida 05-19-2005 10:36 PM

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Just finished watching it. Better than I thought it would be.

In Cartoon Network's Clone Wars Grievious was a lot more fearsome and a much better fighter. He easily battled and killed four Jedi at once. Nor was he at all cowardly like in this movie.

Why are all droids such dweebs? I'll never understand.

The lizard's noises sounded like the aliens in Pitch Black that used sonar.

They have spaceships, lightsabers, and clone armies...yet they couldn't perform a c-section? If Anakin had a basic knowledge of medicine maybe he wouldn't have gone so crazy.

And the emperor is one ugly dude.

Blackmane 05-19-2005 11:08 PM

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Padme didn't make it because of Anakin's anger. It choked the life out of her. Remember the doctor said that medically she was perfectly healthy, and they couldn't explain why she was dying. Then, when Vader awakens, the emperor tells him that he killed Padme in his anger. Thats what I think makes the whole thing so horribly ironic, Anakin was trying desperately to save Padme by getting stronger, but in the end, it was himself who he needed to save Padme from.

Teuthida 05-19-2005 11:16 PM

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Yeah that's what I'm saying sort of. If Anakin didn't try to change things, everything would have worked out fine. So I guess fate is predetermined...

And I know its a staple of the series but I really can't stand the way Lucas makes transitions from scene to scene.

Seth 05-19-2005 11:25 PM

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Thanks for the spoiler assholes.

GameMaster 05-20-2005 01:52 AM

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I'm seeing it tomorrow morning while all the annoying kids are in school!

I can't wait! Soon I'm going to get the Darth Vader voice changer mask and the replica FX lightsaber!

Bube 05-20-2005 11:55 AM

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I already learned 2 things I shouldn't have, and I just scrolled down.. I come into this thread for opinions, not spoilers. Please mark spoilers.

Xantar 05-20-2005 12:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Happydude
seeing as how i haven't watched any of the other SW movies...or at least haven't payed attention when watching them, i don't think i'll be seeing this one until after i see the rest in the order that they were released....and that's not going to be anytime soon, i'm way too lazy to go rent them.

Just see the third movie. The other two aren't worth it, and Episode III's plot isn't so complicated that you need to see two whole other movies to understand it. In fact, all you need to know is:

Anakin (played by Hayden Christiansen) - he turns into Darth Vader. Right now, he's a regular Jedi.
Padme (played by Natalie Portman) - Anakin loves her. He loves her a lot.
Obi Wan Kenobi (played by Ewan McGregor) - He trained Anakin.
Chancellor Palpatine/Darth Sidious (played by Ian Mcdiarmid) - he's EEEEEEEEEVIL.
General Grievous (voiced by some tech guy) - he's an organic thing in a droid or something like that, and he leads the droid army. Personally, I think he's doing this because he's mad about having such a silly name.
Count Dooku (played by Christopher Lee) - he's even more badass than Sarumon. Unfortunately, he doesn't stick around long enough to get mad about his even sillier name.
Clone Army (played by Temeura Morrison) - they're a bunch of clones of Boba Fett's dad. And they dress like Stormtroopers because, well, that's what they are.

There's also Samuel L. Jackson as Mace Windu, but he's just a dude on the council. And there's also Yoda, but you don't need to know his exact history or anything. You can just sit back and watch him doing the Yoda thing.

Anyway, I liked the movie overall, and I didn't really like the first two that much in the end. It has some great moments. The first shot of the two ships flying along and then looking downwards to see moviedom's most massive space battle was well done. The lightsaber battles got a little rote towards the end, but they were also well done. The Order 66 sequence was awesome to behold, and John Williams outdid himself with the music there (you may not be able to sing the music from that part right now, but I guarantee that music had an effect while you were watching it). Obi Wan's last words to Anakin were touching and hit all the right notes. Plus, all the fanservice was fun to watch (although it got annoying after a while because there was this one woman to my right who did three little happy claps every time she saw something she recognized from the original trilogy. Lady, it's just a guy named Antilles!).

Moreover, there was some actual good acting going on in here. It won't win any awards, but Ewan McGregor was channeling Sir Alec Guinness almost perfectly. And I am now convinced that the Force was at work when Ian McDiarmid was cast as the original Emperor in Return of the Jedi. They both have scenes that they knock totally out of the park.

Samuel L. Jackson, unfortunately, is still completely wasted.

Now about Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman: there will probably be some debate about how well either did their jobs. Personally, I think they can both act just fine. Check out Christiansen in Shattered Glass or Portman in Closer for which she received an Oscar nomination (and deserved it). These are two young people who can act and can even look like they love each other. But the dialogue they are forced to speak! More experienced actors can get their way around Lucas' dialogue, but it's too much for these two lovers. And I can't help remembering how interesting all the sparks and one liners flying between Princess Leia and Han Solo were.

Anakin's turn to the Dark Side also ended up being murkier than it had to be. The scene where he swears allegiance to Darth Sidious went too fast. He had just killed someone, and then Lucas has him suddenly kneel down and swear fealty. I ended up sort of understanding on an intellectual level why he become Darth Vader, but it all could have been much better developed and that scene in particular should have taken more time.

As for the infamous "NOOOOO!" line: yep. Cheesy. The thing is, that kind of thing has been done before. When Qui Gon Jinn was killed in The Phantom Menace, Obi Wan screamed out the same way. In that case, it worked just fine. Ok, so Ewan McGregor is a good actor. How about Mark Hamill? He had the same reaction to "Luke, I am your father." But that also worked just fine. Something about the delivery and the camera work when Darth Vader said it just made the whole thing seem hokey. I think Deathshand has the right idea when he proposes making the whole scene silent right after Vader hears about his wife's death. Or if he had to say the word "no," it could have been a quiet moment where he falls to his knees or something and just whispers it out in between breaths. It's a shame, really, because everything up until that moment was just done so well from Anakin being left in a volcano to Darth Sidious finding him and laying a hand on his forehead to the transformation of his body.

Oh, and I was also starting to get annoyed by the screen wipes that were going on. Those kinds of things make sense when you're switching plot lines, but not when you're cutting in between scenes back and forth.

Overall, it was a good movie and a fitting end to the trilogy. Let's hope Lucas doesn't get any ideas about filming episodes 7-9 (he says he won't). Lucas may be the premiere special effects wizard, but I'm certain that another director, almost any other, really, could have done a better job with the acting, the dialogue and the pacing. Still, this one isn't bad. It could have been grand and great. It could have been as legendary as one of the original movies. But instead, it's just good. Frankly, if this hadn't had the name Star Wars attached to it, I think it would have still drawn attention but also would have ended up being just another science fiction action adventure to be forgotten in a decade.

GameMaster 05-20-2005 06:26 PM

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I thought it was great. I have a new whole new respect for Obiwan in 4, 5, & 6 now that we've seen his part in 1, 2, & 3. I think Ewan McGregor should be edited into Obiwan's role in 4, 5, & 6.

And the arrogant ass award goes to... Mace Windu! Man, I was mentally clapping and rejoicing when Anakin sliced his arm off and Palpatine shocked the **** out of him. Through the whole movie, Mace is just bashing Anakin and telling all the Jedi how he doesn't trust him.

Mace is completley responsible for ensuring the Siths' revenge and the Jedis' downfall. If he hadn't been badmouthing Anakin from the day young Ani joined as a boy, the Council would've knighted him as a Master Jedi. Mace is a jealous piece of **** who is soley responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Jedi including Obiwan later, since Mace is the one who turned Anakin to the Dark Side.

Question: Why does using Force Lightining deform and age Palpatine?

I agree with other people on the absolute lack of onscreen chemistry between Natalie and Hayden. And not because they're bad actors, but because of the horrible writing. It was very hard for me to feel sorry for either one of them as the relationship crumbles because they just feel so not-in-love, for lack of a better word.

I thought Obiwan's lizard was cool. I hope he didn't die in that fall. :(

Another cool part was when Anakin totally thrashed Dooku's ass. Man, if I were Anakin, I would've spent a lot of time gloating after I cut his hands off. And instead of quickly taking his head off, I would've slowly inserted the lightsaber into his mouth and out the back of his head.

Darth Vader crying, "No" kind of kills his tough-guy persona but we have to remember that he's only been Darth Vader for a few minutes. :D

The movie is awesome. I might see it again.




Spoiler is over

Acebot44 05-21-2005 01:18 PM

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I thought the movie was ok. Hell, I'm not a Star Wars fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I was expecting this one to blow me away. Maybe my lack of experience in watching these films (Last time I watched the first trilogy was like 8 years ago and I never saw Clone Wars) set me up for something else.

I reeaaaallly dislike Lucas' segways or transitions or whatever you call them. 3 Parallel bars coming up from the bottom of the screen and fading into the next scene just got me out of the movie. The acting wasnt too great either, but that's nothing new to talk about. I never really got into the movies style.

But, I liked a lot of it. I couldnt keep up with the battles or anything, but it was enjoyable. I'd give it a 7 out of 10.

Oh and:

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Joeiss 05-21-2005 01:58 PM

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Mace sensed darkness in Anakin, that's why he continually did not trust him, and did not make him a Jedi Master.

Ginkasa 05-21-2005 05:48 PM

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Its still good through a second viewing if any of you were interested.


/me shrugs and walks away

DeathsHand 05-21-2005 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Link1130
Its still good through a second viewing if any of you were interested.


* Link1130 shrugs and walks away

I saw it twice on the first day, and I agree... Although some of it's flaws, such as the dialogue and such stuck out a bit more the second time through...

Typhoid 05-22-2005 04:06 AM

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I just saw it today, and I have to say I liked it.


*SPOILERS*





I admit, I would have liked it more if it showed him actually killing the children, but I guess implying is good enough.


I am happy that Jar-Jar Binks had no lines, and only 2 appearances. That made me pleased.

DeathsHand 05-22-2005 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid
I admit, I would have liked it more if it showed him actually killing the children, but I guess implying is good enough.

Since the topic has a spoiler marking on it now, I'm not going to bother with another :p

I think not showing it was part of what made that scene as powerful as it was... I mean, you see that one kid kick some ass and then get blasted when Bail Organa arrives... And you do see Anakin kill a couple kids on the security hologram thing...

But neither of them were as powerful as when Anakin waltzed in the room, the kids asked him for help, he just stares and turns on his lightsaber... End of scene...

Both times I went, a few people (within earshot), as soon as the lightsaber came on, either gasped or muttered (in a shocked sorta way) something to the extent of "Is he gonna kill the kids!?"... I think actually showing it would've taken away a bit of it's effect...

Some things are better left implied or indirect-ish... Like love... "I'M SO IN LOVE!!!", "NO, IT IS I WHO IS SO IN LOVE WITH YOU!!!"...

Ginkasa 05-22-2005 02:03 PM

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It works like the whole Tusken Raider thing in Episode II. When you just see Anakin kill those two or three and then only hear about the rest, you get some prety grisly images in your head. The same works with the Younglings.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I begin to think that III might replace IV as the #2 Star Wars movie. While ANH is certainly a better made film than RotS, the third prequel is much better it terms of what it adds to the entire saga and, well, the emotions of seeing it happen. Know what I mean? The lightsaber battle in ANH didn't mean anything in 1977, but now that we know the true extent of Vader's betrayal...

Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
Episode IV - A New Hope
Episode II - Attack of the Clones
Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
Episode I - The Phantom Menace


/me shrugs and walks away

Dark Samurai 05-22-2005 02:03 PM

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Saw it on Friday and loved it, enough to get the Star Wars Trilogy, to continue the story (since I've never really seen them).

The only wrong for me, was the whole movie experience...

There was a guy sitting with his girlfriend that just loved the movie so much that he felt it necessary to ruin it for me and most of the crowd by going to sleep DURING THE ENTIRE MOVIE!!!! not only that but SNORING, very loudly I might add. His girl just sat there like a f*cking dumbass while he was in Dreamland, collecting Z's on the ground. Sony(Kyuzo) and I were contemplating on throwing my drink to his ass after the movie was over, but he woke up when the movie ended. When we were getting up, I heard him saying "Oh what did I miss?"

I'm thinking "THE WHOLE F*CKING MOVIE, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!" [/endrant]

Back to the movie...

I loved how Yoda kicked ass just walking in the room...

MuGen 05-22-2005 02:07 PM

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I was going to throw my funnel cake at his ass.

Dylflon 05-22-2005 02:29 PM

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Saw it. Few comments.

*EXTREME SPOILERS*












R2D2 managed to be totally badass. Like, come on. That droid took it to the hoop in the first part of the movie.

I love all the little bits that tie into the next few episodes. Like the immortality thing. That made me happy. I got a chuckle over how they decided to wipe C3P0's memory.

I thought Chewbacca's presence was completely and utterly pointless.

Some of the scenes with Anakin's turning seemed a little rushed. His inner struggle was never properly displayed because I believe Hayden Cristensen didn't do a good enough job of getting his character's emotions across in his lines. But his performance in this beats his performance in Episode II by leaps and bounds.

Joeiss 05-22-2005 02:43 PM

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Yeah, I laughed when they wiped C3P0's memory, too. haha.


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