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So wait.
Zombies and the living dead = "Yeah, alright."
Guy able to walk on crippled leg = "Woah woah woah, that's not realistic."

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There's a difference, and it's pretty obvious.

The zombies are supposed to exist in our world, not a made up one where people have hyper healing powers.

It's the same dumb argument when people say Mass Effect has realistic graphics, and some guy comes in, "Woah woah waoh, realistic!? There's aliens!"

Obviously not the same kind of realism.

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But it has wooden animation...

That aside, fairly certain there was two mentions of time jumps this week and last.

First, I believe was at the start of the last episode with Shane and Rick, and believe they mentioned a week or so has passed.

Actually, may be mistaken on this week's since seems to continue from the end of last week's. So nevermind the second one

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ME animation is really terrible. Why they can't pay a third party company to make pre-rendered sex scenes is beyond me. They are so hilarious and awkward. Saps any credibility the scene may have had.

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When Carl jacked that gun, I was for sure that he would keep that gun on him and a certain storyline from the comics would finally be set up to play out. You guys know what I'm talkin bout.

But then he lost the gun. But now I'm not even sure if I want that thing to happen.

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I'd say that's a little difference because graphical quality of a video game and Universal canon of a comic book-turned-TV-show are a little different things to comparatively debate. :p

I know what you're getting at with that...but you're supposed to suspend disbelief for both things...

The aliens in ME don't bother (general) you, because your disbelief is suspended considering you're a space ninja trying to save the Universe. But in Walking Dead, the zombies are your aliens, so to suddenly go "woah woah, that dude shouldn't be able to walk on that leg" seems a little nit-picky, when the Universe is full of zombie-aliens from space.

But if they said time passed, then that solved that.
Even though I'm defending the side of "it seems silly to pick on that part", I don't remember them even saying time had passed, or when they said it, or how much time was supposed to have passed. :s

Edit: Also Carl is starting to piss me off. Fucking dumb kid. I'm with Shane now. Ever since he said "stop looking for ways to get yourself killed, man." That kid is just fascinated with shotgun deer and mudzombies with guns.

"Alright guys, we've got like 10 minutes to fill for the next episode. What can we do there? Can Lori complain about something?
"No, no. She's already complained for 8 minutes."
"What about Shane? Can we get some closeups on his crazy face?"
"No...no. That's how we started and ended the other 5 episodes."
"Fuck, okay. Can we get Rick to do some down to earth monologue?"
'The guy who writes Rick is in the bathroom."
"Fuck. Just make Carl...I don't know...make him stare at a fucking zombie or something. I don't care. We need an episode."

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That's my second biggest complaint about the show: nothing happens. Half of the show is filler.
(If you're curious: the biggest complaint is how illogical and stupid everything/everybody is.)

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I wasn't really ripping on you. You're allowed to complain about the things you like. And I'm with you on the filler bit.

But I think a lot of what people today see as filler, people of 30 years ago would see as "setting the mood", and "ambiance". Michael Bay has effected too many things, and in turn a lot of people expect action all the time.

What drew me to the show to begin with was the slow pacing. It reminded me of old 'survival horror' shows. Where it was about suspense and personal thought of "Holy fuck, what's going to happen" rather than "Holy fuck, I can't believe I'm watching all of this happen."

But I even cut them slack if it is legitimate filler, just because while they're professional writers, I imagine it would be hard to write 48 minutes of white-knuckle-intensity every week. You need some plot set-up, and some character development, or mood development thrown around in there. It can't all be explosions and guts. :p


Also, as for them acting illogically during the end of the world- what is a logical way to act during the coming zombie apocalypse? :lol:

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I think a lot of the "filler" is intentional. In the book, there are LONG stretches of dialogue, group norming, and just life in general in this new world. These are intentional to make the instances of extreme violence even more effective.

On a side note, who thinks the Governor is coming soon?

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Governor has been cast for third season already.

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I have no idea who that Governor guy is, but 2 episodes ago Shane saw a guy walking through a field. That guy looked like a Governor (or a Baron) to me.
But it was probably just a random walker. :p


Anyway, about 'setting the mood' etc... This whole season they've been on the farm, and what really happened? They lost a girl and found her zombified. Carl got shot and recovered. They went to town a few times and got attacked. They met part of another group. They were about to hang a guy.
And that's about it. 11 episodes built on just that. I think it's time to move on, leave the farm and make something happen. Winter is coming.

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I completely agree with this. Having this entire season on the farm as been a total drag. It seems like they're stuck there for whatever reason. I had hope that they would go to Nebraska, in that "Nebraska" episode, but nah..just more milling around..

Again, I like this show, but I feel like it's been put in the wrong hands. I feel like if you gave this same idea to someone who really knew how to write, pace, and hire decent actors for a serialized drama, it could have been one of the greatest shows of all time....Now it will be some slightly forgettable if entertaining show I watched.

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Exactly how I feel. Imagine if Joss Whedon was handling this show. The characters would be so good.

One thing the show really lacks is comedy. It doesn't need much of it, but there should be some comic relief here and there, it really helps to set off the serious moments.

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Clear your schedule:

Why don't they just get Michael Bay to just make the show. He'll speed the pace up for you guys who think it's too slow. He can definitely write one-liners, because The Beef had a ton of horrible ones in Transformers. So that's also got the "more jokes" covered.

I personally think the shows pacing is beautiful. Enough happens to get your heart going, and there are long enough lulls where you get just complacent enough to forget it's a zombie show (right now, anyhow), which is probably the goddamn point. :lol:

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I do have a question for you hyper-critiquers with some [okay, a lot] tongue-in-cheek anger thrown in there. For personal entertainment, not for actual anger. Keep that in mind.
So what that they haven't gone anywhere? "The Honeymooners" was set in one apartment for a fucking decade. Where'd they go? To the moon! That's where.

Okay, but rly - how is the value of a show's worth tied into where the fictional characters travel to within that show and how frequently they travel?

I feel almost like some of you guys are entirely missing the show because you're just like "Fuck, why cant this hurry up and get to the sweet parts I liked from the comics, goddamnit. I want the Governor. I want another City. Why cant they move! The characters were better written in the comic when I was doing their voices and pacing the words out myself, in my own brain!"

They don't know they're doing this for your entertainment. They are acting [more or less] like real people in a crisis. They're not superheroes. They're not comic book characters. They're people who are collapsing into a shell of themselves when faced with a huge mental obstruction. Would you rather live a nomadic life, traversing zombie-laden cities 24/7 - sleeping in trucks and cars until you get somewhere that isn't where you currently are? Would you expect the entire world to turn into fucking Rambo at the first sign of the apocalypse? :p

But what then? Say the writers listen and do as you all ask and get them to travel from the farm. Where do they go? Another farm full of zombies? Another building in the middle of a city full of zombies? Another government building surrounded by zombies? Maybe they can just drive on the highway scattered with zombies until they all die - like the Migrant Fleet of cars, but with zombies. But yes, okay - say they leave this farm - and get to magical point D you're all waiting for. What if that doesn't go how it did in the comics (which it wont, because nothing has if your collective complaints ring true). Where will you all be begging for them to travel to next?

Why is it so ridiculous for these imaginations of real people who are trying to hold onto humanity in the middle of an incomprehensible catastrophe stay in one spot?

Ask yourself; If you had seen countless people that you know die, and already been to many buildings covered with zombies, and the only government building you thought would save you turned out to be a lie - and then you finally get to a farm in the middle of a huge field with no (or very few) zombies - would you say "Well, this was a nice vacation, but it's time we get back to being constantly terrified of the abominations of shambling human corpses that have been re-animated to try and kill us. Let's get going gang. Women and children first. Especially my pregnant wife there. Come on, honey. Let's go run from some zombies."

The farm is safe. Why should they leave? Because the show isn't progressing? If you say the show isn't progressing, then we're definitely not watching the same show - because these characters are miles from where they started at only a year ago. Fuck, a lot of them have died. What do you want? New Scenery? Really? Really? :lol:


Edit: Now after all that I'm going to say the kicker of:

It's not that I'm against the idea of the show changing setting, I would embrace it like I've embraced everything else the creators of the show have chosen to do, unless it's give that horrible suicidal-actress more fucking lines. This thread has told me to expect someone named the Governor who is a pivotal evil character, in a separate location. So I'm aware a shift in setting is coming, and I'm not against it (or for it). I just think there are a lot of ridiculous complaints about the show, when it's clearly a great show because everyone is watching it. :p

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Haha, Michael Bay? Are you serious? I've never even seen a Michael Bay movie since The Rock when I was 10 years old. I wouldn't know what you're inferring there.

I don't think it's about if they travel, it's just the fact that the farm is boring. In my opinion it's a crappy spot that the writers have dug themselves into. I want them to move somewhere so SOMETHING HAPPENS and that the show can actually get better!

You talk about "realism", but I don't watch a show to watch some terrible philosophers hemming and hawing about "what life is like now" or that "the world is not the same anymore." We know! You've told us about 50 different times in the last few episodes.

I understand what you're saying about "realism", but this isn't reality TV. This is a fictional show and it's supposed to entertain me. Is Breaking Bad always realistic? No, but is it usually entertaining? Almost always. You can't say the same for The Walking Dead. If you're enthralled by Dale's speeches or Lori's idiocy, or T-Dog's, umm...nothing, then good for you, but I'd personally rather be entertained, and Hershel's farm isn't conducive to that.

And no, it doesn't have to be fast-paced or whatever. The Wire is one of the best TV shows of all time and it's conflict is all within one basic setting and it's relatively slow-paced. If the things Rick and Shane were ever more than one-note "my way or your way" conversations, then maybe it would be better.

I understand it can't be zombies all the time and it shouldn't be, but the parts that aren't zombies shouldn't be completely uninteresting, and for the most part, they are. I guess I've just accepted the kind of crappy acting at this point, but it probably would help the show if that weren't part of it.

I have not read the comics, so none of this is coming from unrealistic expectations. I just honestly feel that it's not that great of a show about 50% of the time. It can be great at times, but that's still not a great average.

Anyway, just as you can't seem to accept why we complain about it, I'm just as shocked that you want to defend it so much.

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Hey, I've never read the comics either, so don't act like the comics are to blame.

In a way it's like Terra Nova (is it cancelled yet btw?). Instead of focussing on the potential (dinosaurs! survival!), they try to make it a family drama. And clearly it doesn't work. The acting is terrible, the stories are boring... it's worse than just not getting what you expect.

The Walking Dead isn't just about zombie action, we know that. I wouldn't like the show if there would be 2x as much action. It's just that the show is trying stuff that doesn't work. All the women constantly arguing about the laundry... or people trying to kill themselves...

The second-last episode proved that they CAN get drama right. The parts with Shane and Rick were awesome. Very well acted, just intense enough without getting annoying. And combined with some logical action. And guess what: it wasn't on the farm, it was in a new area.
I wish they would learn from themselves and write more scenes like that.

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For the 1 billionth time, I haven't even read the comic. Neither has Germanator, or Angrist.

We don't want more action, we want more interesting stuff. We want good dialogue and good character development.

The show has *some* of that. The parts with Rick and Shane over the last couple of episodes have been really good.

Pretty much every scene with Andrea has been garbage. She is such a poor character. The suicide episode made her look like a hypocrite instead of hardened and extreme, like they were going for.

Ever seen a Joss Whedon production? Probably less action than the Walking Dead, but the characters and dialogue are amazing. Nothing feels like filler.

Most of the Walking Dead feels like filler.

Is it still a good show? Sure, I enjoy it. But they had an opportunity to make something really amazing, and it's just 'OK'.

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Not even remotely. :lol:


I know where you're coming from. I wasn't saying dialogue-heavy is what I really want or anything like that. But...real life is pretty boring and mundane. We may not hum and haw about philosophy in our daily lives, but on a daily basis most people do a whole heap of sweet fuck all. I imagine if zombies were around in the real world, all regular people would do is find a place to get safe with a group of likeminded people, so they can sit around and do a whole heap of sweet fuck all in safety.


The reason I can't seem to accept it is because there are far more complaints than positives for the majority of you, or at least close to 50/50. I'm also including other sites into that. I just see so much negativity towards the show, and very little positive feedback (aside from ratings). It's almost like I can never talk about what I like in the show, because someone somewhere (Again, I don't really mean this forum) will tell me why that scene sucked to them, or why it was better in the comic, or how they could have done it better. (I'm aware I'm just doing the opposite of that, haha). I always feel the need to defend the little guy, that's why I'm usually in the minority of all discussions. I may not always completely agree with whatever I'm defending, but I think everything at least deserves a fair look from every perspective, you know.

And in a thread full of (or containing) people talking about things they don't like about the show after every episode, I feel the equal need to express how I find very little flaw with it, and why - maybe that will allow other people to enjoy the show as much as I do, without thinking about it with negativity. Without looking down on it with a "Fuck, this had so much potential", and instead just enjoy the ride. To think about what may come, rather than what could have been. It just seems like so many people [outside of this thread, too - I mean] expected this to be so many things it wasn't to them. Maybe it's because I'd never heard about The Walking Dead until a week before the first TV episode aired, so I entered in entirely ignorant to everything, hadn't talked about it with anyone (Comics? Puffaw) , didn't know what to expect from anything in any way (and still really don't). And I personally love the fact that the show is slathered in metaphors, for now.

Now, of course there are things I don't like with the show. Most of it stems from horrible camera cuts, bad child acting, and that horrible suicidal chick who should have killed herself so she wouldnt ever get more lines. (I feel so bad for her that that scene will be on her acting reel. I legitimately felt embarrassed for that actress) And when I dislike something with the show, I definitely do mention it. I just really do dislike very little with the show, and it pains me that others find such subjective flaws with something I subjectively find so little in.


Edit: Oh, so thats what it looks like when I say the same thing in 4 giant paragraphs.

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Without spoiling anything, the next location they end up staying in comic timeline-wise, they stay there for a long time. Out of everything created so far in the comics, I think one third of the comics is set in one location.

I'm with Sean. People would crave stability and safety over everything else. I'm sure the season will end with the farm no longer being a viable place to stay.

The first season felt like it was about reaction and a building sense of hope that they could get to the safe place, or find the guy who had the cure.

This season is about accepting that there is no going back. There's no Fort Benning where they'll be safe and protected. There's no scientists at the CDC who can make it all better. This whole season to me has been about the death of hope and coming to terms with the world as it is now, and figuring out how to behave in it.

You can't tell that story when it's a story about getting from point A to point B. Where the heck would they even go? To me the story they're telling right now is more interesting than just trying to get to the next objective.

If the show feels directionless, that might be a reflection of how the characters are feeling.


Edit: Also, I'm surprised. I feel I'm generally more critical of tv and films than most of you since I frequently bitch about bad acting/pacing/storytelling but for whatever reason I don't seem to have the same complaints everyone else does. I suppose that it's just that what I like is vastly different from what normal people like. I never have much to bitch about when I watch this show. Even my fiance was bored when the pace slowed down, but I've always been really happy with the show.

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I don't think the farm is the problem, people just perceive the static location as a cause for the stagnant plot.

It isn't. Going back to a Joss Whedon example, the first 3 seasons of Buffy took place in mostly the same locations, primarily the library at the high school. That one room housed so many scenes from each episode, and it never felt dull. They kept finding new camera angles to use, and the dialogue was always perfect.

Leaving the farm and taking the show on the road wouldn't fix anything.

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Damn fine episode.

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Yep, best episode so far, I think.

Unfortunately the average acting ability of the show dropped several standard deviations.

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Vamp, I thought the same thing last night. I'm not a fan of Lincoln's portrayal as Rick. He's kind of like a pensive mannequin. Very one note so far, but Shane being his foil has really helped make him more interesting. Looking at the previews for the following week, though, hopefully the character breaks out a bit.

I'm getting the feeling the show is going to kill off a few more people next week. I see most of Hershel's family, including Hershel, biting it with Maggie being he sole survivor (saved by Glen). What's interesting is that this will leave the group relatively weak against the Governor next season unless they pick up some new characters. I'd rather they develop whoever remains, though.

One day I'd love to hear an explanation of why certain aspects of the show were changed. Example: In the book Carl kills Shane to save his father, and that is a pretty big moment in his life that you could say defines his character and sets a huge expectation for the new world everyone lives in. Having Rickkill Shane must have been a conscious decision, and I'm curious as to why they make their choices. I'm not complaining, I'd just like to know.

Also, I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet: How does zombie Randall, with a broken neck, walk or chase characters? If the disease affects the brain, and the spinal chord is severed, wouldn't the zombie be just as paralyzed as the human who died? That's my trivial complaint for the week. ;)

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Lori should just stop talking. Always causing fights. She convinces Rick that Shane is crazy (rightfully so I guess) and the result is them trying to kill each other.

Lori gives Shane a big talk this episode which reveals her ambiguous feelings about him. The result is that Shane thinks that maybe he could have Lori if Rick was gone. Then we know what happens after.

She's definitely a shit disturber.

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Hahah

I thought I was the only one who felt that.
Like she was playing both sides, but realized both can't live in harmony.

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Good episode. :) Finally some action.

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Women.
Wait.
Pregnant women.
Am I right.
Up top.
Right here.
Maybe she's crazy, doesn't know who's baby it is - and wants the protector of her and the child to be the strongest of the two, thusly pitting them against eachother in some type of Darwinian battle. She loves them both and she can't decide, being a pregnant hormonal women (lol), so she figures in her crazy-ladymind that it will sort itself out, and the strongest of the two will 'win' her. Sort of like Gorillas!



I thought it was a pretty solid episode. I didn't expect Shane to die. I actually thought Rick was going to take a bullet. I was expecting them to take the most unexpected route. I don't mind Rick as an actor most of the time (not that I minded Shane), but I'm not complaining.
I also was thinking of Rick's voice being sort of shitty, line delivery and all aswell - but thinking on it now, I'm just chalking it up to the fact he thought he was going to get shot by his insane best friend who was going to steal his son and fuck his wife. So now, I'll go with "good acting", and not "actor with a chest cold". But I mean, clearly sometimes you can tell he's trying to ham it up when he's giving his monologues - like in season 1 when he'd radio to [black guy and son], or last episode when he was talking to Carl about 'growing up'. It's like they're directing him to try read them like they are a line in a comic book, and gave him Christian Bale Batman tapes to study for accents.


Well, Carl does shoot zombie-Shane who is about to eat his dad's brains from behind. So he does still save his dad's life, just not in the same way.

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This is hilarious. I thought this scene was kind of terrible in actual context, but this is awesome.

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Network censorship maybe?

I can't stand the kid. I think they really dropped the casting ball with that one. What we need are either more kids...or less kids.

For me, this week's episode was like a step back. I don't know. This entire Season has lacked any serious zombie threat...and this episode they suddenly start boarding up the house. I mean, shouldn't that have been episode 2? Maybe instead of fixing the well they could have boarded up the house. I get it: Hershel wasn't planning on letting them live there. But in the case of an emergency zombie outbreak, wouldn't having a fortified house make sense?

Okay, so I'm back to nitpicking about bad writing. I'll stop. Lori is truly annoying...I can't stand Andrea....Rick is annoying...the kid can't act...

There were like random extras on set today. That's happened a few times. Of course the black guy is helping move all the shit, and "no you aren't sleeping on the couch." "Okay, masta sir!"

Honestly? I'm rooting for Glenn, Maggie, and Daryl. Seeing Daryl and Glenn work together was the highlight of the episode for me. So far, this show has failed miserably at the drama. I also feel like the farm stuff has been fairly meh. The past few episodes have been very interesting....because we are getting new scenery, new characters, and not focusing on this group's tired ass drama.

This was like a solid B episode for me. I feel like Rick and Carl are still both way underdeveloped. Carl didn't kill Shane. If you think about it...Rick didn't really kill Shane. I mean he waited til the last second, and begrudgingly busted out a knife. Is this the same badass who is going to keep shit together down the road?

I predict they abandon the farm next episode and find the prison. If Meryl is the Governor I will be sad.

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Oh yeah I was wondering about something... Rick and Shane walk miles through the forest to the spot where Shane wants to kill Rick. And suddenly - tadaa!! - there's the kid watching them. ò_Ô What the heck is he doing there!!?! Or did Shane lead them back to the farm and did he want to shoot Rick within hearing distance of everybody else??

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The camera cut to Carl (the kid) standing in the window, looking out. When they did that camera shot, I immediately asked myself, "I wonder if Carl is leaving the house." And I guess he did....how Carl found them I have no idea.

It seemed like Rick and Shane were fairly close to the house when all the drama went down. But it seemed like they were walking for miles. What amazes me is that they went out walking in the dark, like wtf. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The gun went off when he got stabbed. Carl heard it and came looking.

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Not to constantly be the defendant; but -

Then no, you do not get it. Hershel wasn't aware of "the outside". He thought they were curable, he didn't know they would come to his house, and attempt to slaughter him. That is the only reason he had them in the barn. That is why he didn't have his house boarded up.
That God-fearing man had no reason in his mind to board up his house to protect himself of the Walking Dead. That's why it already wasn't protected. Come on man, you're watching the show. It's like you're purposely forgetting things they spend ample time discussing in previous episodes because you're looking for something to complain about.

Why do you go and have to be racist like that. A white guy isn't allowed to tell a black guy that the couch he owns is taken, without someone who's (hopefully jokingly) looking for things to pick apart saying "lol 21st century, black man doing work for a white guy and being told what to do", where as I refute with "lol 21st century, he's allowed to help and be part of the group like any human being, and be told not to go places like every other normal person. That is equality."
When I see a writer doing things like that in a show with a black person I think "Good for you. You're not afraid of writing honestly. You're not going to walk on eggshells and not write a black actor into normal roles because you're afraid someone will make some bullshit slavery connection for no fucking reason."

Man, I don't get why people watch a show if all everyone ever says about it is always negative. In 2 seasons I've only seen/recalled maybe 5 positive posts that were not from me. and I don't mean posts that are filled with hate on the last episode, and sprinkled with a positive "but".

Here is my summary of the majority of people who watch this show commenting after every episode:

"I don't get the show. I don't like the direction they're taking _______. The acting is bad, I don't feel invested in any characters. And how did _____ get ____ without _____ knowing/thinking/seeing _____? That doesn't make sense. Why did they cast ____ as ______ anyways? He/she can't act ______ as well as I hoped that character would be acted. I'm so ________ that they're still _________. _______ is such a ______, fuck. Why can't _______ ________ _______. The worst scene of last episode was when _______ and ______ were _______ by the _______ with _____. Like _____, why can't ______ just _____. That would make _____ so much _______. Every week I watch this show my life gets significantly worse. The 48 minutes I spend every Sunday watching this glorified pile of vomit are worth it though, for the 5 minutes that I think are cool, so it's okay. I like the show, that's why I watch it."

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I would say you are being pedantic, but even you expressed some doubt that my comment was completely serious when you said: "someone who's (hopefully jokingly) looking for things to pick apart." That would be correct...I made that comment as a joke.

But if my comment was a joke, then where does the humor come from?

And this is where I can say you have ignored context. So far T-Dog has been nothing but a throwaway character. His existence in the series is seriously questionable, especially since his character does not exist in the comic. Add in the fact that he has very few speaking lines, no subplots, and he has a stereotypically racist name "T-Dog".....it isn't a huge leap to suggest that he is the "token black guy." And that TV TROPE does exist:

It's the "Token Minority" trope.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../TokenMinority
And oh, guess what? On the Token Minority trope page, T-Dog is actually cited as an example of the trope!

So to answer the question, "where does the humor come from when KillerGremlin makes a joke about T-Dog." The answer is that it comes from the applied context, that has already been established by anyone watching the show. Which is that T-Dog is as useless of a character as useless characters come.

So when T-Dog is featured in a scene moving shit, it is hilarious for me to make jokes like, "Yes, masta sir." Because my joke is blatantly racist, which is a nice commentary to attach to some of the implied criticisms of T-Dog's character.

So I have to strongly disagree with your observation:

Edit: Amazingly, the Walking Dead writers were able to develop a NON token minority black guy in episode 1 of the TV show. This guy is a perfect example of a developed character:

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Mo...28TV_Series%29

I would love to see a follow up with what happened to him, no? I would be okay with a 10 minute flashback at the start of an episode, before cutting back to current events.

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Yeah I really thought they'd take that storyline with the negro father and son somewhere. (Am I allowed to say negro these days? I'm so confused about what's considered racist and not in the States...)

What I also liked about the first episodes is that the zombies still had some personality left. The wife still knew where she lived. The zombie girl still walked around with her bunny doll.
I guess the writers ran out of ideas after that, because I never have got the same feeling again after that.

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Negro is not usually an acceptable term, it's something you only hear really old people say, and then everyone kind of stands there being uncomfortable.

It's kind of absurd what's considered racist and what isn't. For some reason "black" is not racist. Neither is "African-American", even though a lot of dark skinned people are not of African decent.

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I thought for sure "black" would be racist. It's not realy black is it? More like brown... in all kind of shades.
I'm pretty sure that in a while "African-American" will also be considered racist.

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Well, I'm "white" but I'm actually more of a pinkish tan...

We think about this stuff way too hard.

Re: The Walking Dead: The Television Series
 

Posted by Steven Yuen (actor who plays Glenn) on his Reddit AMA (ask me anything) thread: