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Though I was raised as Catholic, that has to be one of the most retarded things I've ever read at these forums. And would no doubt be offense to A LOT of people. Now whether or not he was serious, I don't know, and don't care. Good job, GameMaster! |
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Sounds like you can justify what happened on 9/11 just because the people who did it believe in their God. Or maybe not, since they don’t believe in your Christian God? So then, anybody who isn’t Christian is going to Hell right? So what about the millions of people that grow up in small countries that are never even introduced to Christianity? Just because they weren’t taught about your Christian beliefs they’re gonna go to Hell? You believe that any loving God would condemn so many people for an ignorance they didn’t choose to have? I mean... Wow... :rolleyes: Why should somebody be judged by what they believe? That’s not important. Who you are, what you feel, and why you live your life the way you live it – somehow those things seem a little bit more important. But maybe that’s just me. I just can’t believe how intolerant some Christians are. It just disgusts me to be one sometimes... Quote:
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I would like to remind everyone that this is Gamemaster making these statements. Let's think about that for a second. Is it even possible for him to be serious when talking about something other than video games?
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We keep track of who was home and who wasn't, so you better just open up. :D And there are plenty of cases where people were always agressive towards us, but after a while something happens and they're suddenly interested and became our brother or sister. Coming back helps, really. :) And perhaps I don't come at your door, but I come at others, so........ :unsure: Think about it, if we do so much effort to tell people, it must be very important. :) |
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Whenever Jehovas or whoever it maybe come to our door, we let them in, then My dad and me try and convert them to Atheism. Its quite humerous, really. |
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Ghehe that's actually not bad. But they'll realise soon enough that there's no point in discussing with SOME people...
Edit: I think it's réaly hard to convince a Jehova's Witness that there is no God. :D We kinda... know better.. :sneaky: |
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I don't force my beliefs on them, do I? Why should they force theirs on mine? I don't think it says anywhere in your doctrine that you're supposed to annoy people. I say that the man who does good out of love for his fellow man is more rightgeous than the one who does it because his god tells him to. Any slack-jawed yokel can say a few psalms and praise God fo the wonders of what he can't explain. It takes a wise man to try and figure out the answers. |
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Scoffing, are you? You're defending the same thing. No one man can prove definitively that god exists. He can just prove things wrong on why he can't exist. Prove to me that unicorns aren't coming back, or even that they never existed. Guess what? You can't. What's the use in warning people about a hurricane if you can't prove there's one there? Quote:
You're contradicting yourself, saying that I need to be warned of "massive calamity" when it doesn't matter whether it happens or not because I'll be saved anyways. Quote:
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A few centuries ago it was widely accepted that there were many Gods who ruled in a counsel.
A few centuries ago people believed the earth is flat. A few centuries ago people believed the earth was the center of the universe. A few centuries ago the people believed that the Roman Catholics weren't lying to them. A few years ago the people believed Child Molestation didn't happen in the catholic church system. A Few centuries from now, won't it be amazing to see that things we don't believe in anymore? |
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2000 years ago Christianity started, and it is still going strong. I believe in 2000 years there will still be Christianity.
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I like how you just assume hes talking about only Christianity. What if hes not even talking about religion at all? (I know he is, im just sayin is all..) |
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I'm not sure if it will be amazing what we don't believe in, so much as what our present beliefs will have morphed into |
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I will Quote Hoobastank. (Whose lyrics of this song I love, read the lyrics, and think about them, then argue with one another.)
-----------------Same Direction------------- "Whenever i step outside, somebody claims to see the light It seems to me that all of us have lost our patience. 'cause everyone thinks they're right, And nobody thinks that there just might Be more than one way to our final destination But i'm not ever going to know if i'm right or wrong 'cause we're all going in the same direction And i'm not sure which way to go because all along We've been going in the same direction I'm tired of playing games, of looking for someone else to blame For all the holes in answers that are clearly showing For something to fill the space, was all of the time i spent a waste 'cause so many choices point the same way i was going..... But i'm not ever going to know if i'm right or wrong 'cause we're all going in the same direction And i'm not sure which way to go because all along We've been going in the same direction So why does there only have to be one correct philosophy? I don't want to go and follow you just to end up like one of them And why are you always telling me what you want me to believe? I'd like to think that i can go my own way and meet you in the end. But i'm not ever going to know if i'm right or wrong 'cause we're all going in the same direction And i'm not sure which way to go because all along We've been going in the same direction" |
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Also, you still haven't proved to me that you know there is a proper path. And some people never get a chance to listen to whatever you're preaching. What happens to them? You need to think about this from a logical perspective. I think God would be pretty screwed up if he judged me on if I believe in him or not. Some atheists I know are the nicest people in the world. Some Catholics I know are the worst people in the world who get their weekly dose of God and go out and sin again. You're telling me those atheists are going to hell? That's screwed up. If that's the way it is, I'd rather go to hell. |
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There is not one proper path. There are many ways to the proper place.
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Here's something I've figured out after thinking about it for a while recently: all religions are saying the same thing. They're all headed to the same place if you think about them.
Consider the teachings of Buddhism. It teaches (broadly speaking) that people suffer in life and that the only way to escape that suffering is to shed your earthly attachments. This has a number of meanings. The most obvious is that physical objects, money and rich food aren't worth much. Buddha realized that the pursuit of material goods is futile because no matter how much we horde, we will still be unhappy. Getting that new car might make you feel great for a day or two, but it won't take too long before you get used to it and then start wanting that latest, even more expensive new car. But there's more to it than that. If you simply sold all your possessions, you still would be miserable. What you have to do is believe, truly believe, that none of it matters. And that's hard. The vast majority of us will fail at that. You try looking at a gold statue and rock statue and believing that they're really all the same. What you have to realize is that you only place value in the one over the other because you've been taught to believe that it is more valuable. But if you had been raised all your life believing that gold is useless and aluminum is to be coveted, who is to say that's not an equally valid view of the world? It's all just a trick your mind plays on you. And isn't that the same thing as what Judaism, Christianity and Islam teach? In their own way, they are all saying that these earthly possessions around us mean nothing. It's the afterlife that counts (in Buddhism, it's the reincarnation). But here's the thing: many Christians, just like many Buddhists, can't fully grasp the implications of their religion. You probably know someone who goes to church and repeats all the phrases but still experiences moments of doubt and unhappiness. It's part of the same problem. They are still too attached to the world. They don't grasp the bigger picture. We all know in our heart of hearts whether we are spiritually fulfilled or not. If you are and you look deep within yourself, you might realize that it has very little to do with the fact that you refer to God under one name and not another. Rather, it's because you've absorbed the teachings of His religion, whichever it is, about how to live your life and how to see the world. Why argue about believing in one God or another? His existence can't be proven or disproven by His very nature, so arguments (or wars) on the matter are pointless. It's just going to make you sad, frustrated or dead. And why should following your religion cause you anguish? It doesn't make sense. So if you're satisfied with your beliefs after thinking about them closely, then so be it. I'm happy for you. But if you really are so confident in your beliefs, you will also have realized that you have no need to convince anybody else to see it your way. |
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Xanny, I couldn't disagree with you more!! The basis of certain religions, strict forms of Christianity for example (the easiest example) is that one has to take Christ as their savior. If this is not, the person will suffer for eternity. One would not want others to suffer, so they must show others that this path is true... they are told it is their duty to do so...
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Here is my .02 cents.
Just think rationally about your beliefs. The bible has a lot of good information in it. The 10 commandments bring content to society. Jesus spread his interesting philosophy on treating people and living life. The bible represents mankind. Read it with another persepective. Just because two people are of the same faith, does not mean they act and behave the same way. Some focus more on one part of there faith then the other. Thats all I'm gonna type for now. If anyone is interested, I'll post more later. |
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I was talking about the first. And the point I was trying to make was that human interpretation has been proven (sometimes tragically) to be fallible. Even when it comes to God. Why do some Christians believe it is their duty to convert everyone while others believe the truly Christian thing to do is to tolerate everybody? Different viewpoints shaped by different upbringings. That's all. It doesn't change the fact that Christianity, at its core, is about living the good life regardless of your material surroundings. |
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Anyone know what religion follows the philosophy "rock and roll all night, and party every day"? :D
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Kissism? Kisstianity? Kissaiism? Kissolocism? |
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All religion is that at it's core. Exrtreme fundamentalists just take the tachings way too far because they're taking things all too literally. |
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Your definition of Christianity also leaves me baffled. Christianity is (according to a few dictionaries I checked):"a religion based on the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ." By asserting that it is Jesus CHRIST, it implies to to belong you assume Jesus is Christ, or he would not be called as such. Assuming now, that the belief holds that Jesus is Messiah, thus, he frees all from sin, and his own comments that "all who believe in me shall have eternal life," as well as many others that I could quote Chapter and verse, there is a theme of the necessity of taking Christ as ones personal savior. HOWEVER, as you pointed out, many, including, many RC's, Episcopalians (me), E. Lutherans, etc, are more tolerant, however, they (we), will most often admit that thought that is what the scripture says, we basically aren't listening to that part. Take that as you will. Christianity teaches, at its core, that Christ Jesus is THE way, THE truth, and The life (I can quote c:v if you like). Though many of us in these groups believe in many paths to the one end, that is personal preference NOT religious teaching. What I'm basically saying is that its not an issue of what's been passed down, or what was originally there, its what one has to do to achieve the ultimate closeness with God (and ridding others of being farther away). What various people believe are different, but some of them believe converting others is both necessesary, and the ultimate compassion. |
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Other denominations believe it is their duty to convert unbelievers, as you said. And that's because, I suppose, they take the Bible as the literal word of God and infallible, meaning that every single verse must be adhered to. The differences between these groups, as you said, is how they interpret the Bible. And yes, you can't really construe the Bible as saying, "Don't go forth and spread my word." But you can question whether that's really so important and worth paying attention to. Here's the thing, though: all Christian denominations accept (at least in theory) material wealth has nothing to do with the strength of our moral character or whether we are living the good life. Ask any devout Christian about that and they will all give the same answer. And on that point, they also agree with Muslims. And Jews. And Buddhists. I submit to you that this is no coincidence. And if the idea is so universal, maybe it's worth paying some close attention to. And maybe that's the really important message of religion. Any of them. |
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BTW: welcome 'back' Xanny. ;)
So they let you out of your lab???? Something I want to say about this matter: People that think that every religion is good enough, back it up by saying opinions. We say that there's only 1 religion and we back it up by what the bible says.... Problem is, that first group can easily dismiss our arguments by saying you shouldn't trust the bible that well... :( |
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Im Christian Catholic... for those that still want to know...
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What other kind of Catholic is there? |
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I'm Jewish Catholic..oh and I have one friend who is Muslim Catholic..
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I'm not sure if I said already but I'm lutheran, I usted to attend a church called faith lutheran Until I stopped beileving in organized religion one day when politics were talked about in a surmon.. Politics have no place in a house of god :(
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This is me showing my lack of knowledge. But I've never heard of those. Could you explain please? |
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And Ace, you're right, religion shouldn't interfere with politics. Jesus didn't do that, he even refused when they wanted to make him king. of course I want to tell you that Jehovah's Witnesses are politicly neutral... |
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