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I applaud the man for having the balls to actually push the button. I could never have done that. Never. I applaud him for that.

But he should know that he did what he had to do, and what was required of him from his country. He was not responcible, whoever gave him the orders were. I take back saying he was a bad soldier, that was a bit to far...a human can only do so much.

Instantly? Are you saying it would have been better to be slowely? Because they had to die. We had to kill them. Its what America had to do to show them that we were the baddest boys on the block and NO ONE f*cks with us. I dont care how atrocious it is. Its war.

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I think you have the completely wrong impression. We didn't drop those bombs on Japan to show them we were the baddest boys on the block, that is ludicrous; I can't believe you actually think that. We dropped those bombs to prevent more deaths, and not just of Americans. War is about surviving.

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No. Its not ludicrous. What you said is slightly ludicrous, because you cancel out your statements. You say war is about surviving, yet you say we didnt drop the bombs to prove something. In order to SURVIVE you HAVE to show the world you will do WHATEVER it takes.

Why did we drop TWO if we werent trying to prove something?! They said we wouldnt dare, but we showed them that we did dare.

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*bangs head on desk*

*considers replying, then considers outcome*

*goes back to watch Packer game*

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*bangs head on desk*

*realizes it hurt*

*also realizes he's said to much and that no one (except maybe purevil) agree's with him*

*Goes to bed*

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Saying they dropped those nukes solely for an outright good-hearted military strategy is extremely, extremely naive of you. If they had just wanted to bring an end to the war, there were other, less atrocious ways of doing it.

Don't get me wrong -- the nukes did bring a very definite end to the whole conflict, but if an end to the conflict is all they were after, there were certainly other methods of getting there.

The primary function of dropping those bombs was almost certainly to flex United States military muscle. It was to say "Okay, you attacked us at Pearl Harbour, on our own turf, when we wanted nothing to do with it, so now we're going to get you back 100 times as bad." And they did. The absolute devastation those two nuclear warheads brought to Japan was not simply about ending a war. It was about showing what happens when you go after the United States of America. More of a statement than anything.

It's nice to see that you have faith in the true and righteous ways of the US government, but unfortunately, the real world doesn't quite work that way. Governments are not all about good intentions and doing the right thing. The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are clear examples of that.

The nukes were to show what happened to foolish countries who went after the 'States on their own ground, and for over 50 years everyone made good note and didn't do anything quite as bold as what Japan did. Just recently with the terrorist attacks on American soil we saw that over-reaction and flexing of military might yet again. We'll all seen the US go ballastic on everything that they think has anything to do with terrorist activity. Afghanistan was pulverized in retaliation, and you can be sure more than a few of those "stray" missles we all heard about that killed innocent Afghani citizens were slightly on the intentional side. Payback. Simply payback.

You can go on and continue thinking that the US did nothing more than what they absolutely had to do, but that's overly foolish of you. A country that's had innocent citizens killed for seemingly no reason will pretty much always snap back with over-aggression, and vengeful thoughts.

Reality of it is, cruel actions aren't done just for survival, or just to bring an end to conflict. There's very often some kind of underlying revenge tactic at play.

You shove me, I'll calmly deal with you in search of a peaceful, reasonable resolution isn't the way it works.

In truth, you shove me, I'll shove you harder.

Time to wake up and look at things in a slightly more intelligible way.

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LOL.

It's not worth getting into a debate with you PE, and you know that.

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LOL! :rofl:

Thats the comeback people use when they have ABSOLUTLEY NO COMEBACK. I mean, your:

*bangs head on desk* comeback didnt really have me shakin in my boots...

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*sigh*

I don't want to start a debate with either of you especially on this subject. I have many times and I know where it will eventually end up. But for me not to reply makes it look like I don't care and am ignoring you, which I'm not. You can interpret what I am saying in any way you wish. I really can't say it any differently... think what you will.

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No laughing smiley could possibly accurately depict my emotions right now....

But this is the closest: :rofl:

PureEvil, senseless banter between two sides that are equally correct within a gaming forum can never be called "intelligible", let alone your bass-ackward interperetations.



How 'bout this, not one of you three have a clue as to how people felt in WWII, as none of you were alive during that time period. In this here thread (which is based on Rememberance Day), every honestly well-constructed idea is intelligently invoked. Seriously now PE, you've been raised by action films, Japanese video games, and a Canadian schooling system; I highly doubt that would credit you to all knowledge of the post isolationist, war enthralled United States government's motives.


If I could -rep you twice for that one post, I would. I won't go searching for another post to make up for it, because that's one of few poorly planned posts by you, that I have noticed.

The fact that you feebly and mockingly copied the "banging of the head" in your reply to him entirely removes the validity of that last post. A pithy remark about lack of comeback is not only a waste of board space, but utterly childish.

I'm surprised you didn't simply declare victory over the debate, even though that wouldn't be entirely accurate, as Bond knew better than to continue the static (Therefor there is no true winner). But no, you had to make a post like that.



Well, as the saying goes, in the end... in an internet debate it's a lot like the special olympics. Win or lose, you're still a 'tard. Then again, who am I to speak? But yes... even I have seen enough of this debate.

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Check your PM's, random. Im not taking an arguement about stupid things like this onto a public thread called "rememberance day" on the day itself.

On another note...

I hope everyone had a good Veterans Day, and I want to say thanks to all the Veterans in the world. Good show, ol' chaps.

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Just wanted to point something out here:

The bombardier of the Enola Gay (the plane that dropped the bomb over Hiroshima) didn't know what kind of bomb he was carrying. All he knew was that he was on a mission to get over Hiroshima and then drop this Little Boy over the city. One of the captains of the plane actually scrawled "My God, what have we done?!" into his journal right after seeing te mushroom cloud. He got quite a shock, but he wasn't really as brave as you made him out to be.

And let's get some dates straight here, shall we?

August 6, 1945 - Little Boy dropped over Hiroshima

August 9, 1945 - Fat Man dropped over Nagasaki

August 14, 1945 - Japan surrenders

Make of all that what you will. Just keep in mind that you weren't there and that you have a hell of a lot more information about everything than President Truman did.

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Hmmm. I didnt know that. Interesting.

But the guy who dropped Fat Man must have known what he was doing, right? So I can applaud one of them, right?

But my argument wasnt really based on the soldier, but I do want to apologize (again) for the comment I made about him not being a good soldier. that was an extremely stupid thing to say, I guess I just got carried away.

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I rather enjoy debating with Bond... always ends out in a draw.