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GameMaster 09-03-2003 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Crono
You just don't give up. As a start, why don't you give me other examples, things that cannot be proven. Maybe then I can explain my views more.

I WAS a Christian until about grade 5 or so... until I released all the time I spent and everything I did meant nothing to my life. It may mean something to you, and it may mean something to society as a whole, but it means nothing to me. My views on Religion can be summed up like this:
I do not care.

That's it.
Ok, you want examples, I'll give you some things that cannot be proven:

1. Breathing
2. Food
3. Sleeping
4. A College Ruled Notebook

These things cannot be proven real.

Vampyr 09-03-2003 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeepnut
Church is not what saves you I agree. However, it is a place to gather with those who share your faith and to worship as a group. It can be a beautiful thing and it is something you can't get anywhere else. Church does serve a purpose, especially in the Catholic faith.

As far as Christianity being easy, that's your view. I believe Christianity is extremely hard. Why believe in Christ if you don't follow his teachings? According to my faith, faith alone is not what saves you. This is probably our differing point. This in my opinion leads to the prevailing thought that Christians think they are better than everyone else simply because they have faith in God. There are many that have "faith", but do nothing about it. Once again, why would Christ give us all the teachings if faith was all it took?

*This didn't turn out as well as I hoped. My mind is sucking right now. Feel free to criticize and I will refine my point.*
Yeah, I dont think my point came out as clear either. Your post was good though, and brought up some good points that I need to clarify. Yes, church is a beautiful thing, and I wish I went. I believe that something almost as good though, is to just fellowship, when you gather together with people, almost like we're doing, and discuss religon. Its just a beautiful, in my opinion.

And about what you said about christianity not being easy. Jesus gave us his teachings because being good and loving others will greatly increase your chances. In the cahtolic faith, your faith in god must be balanced with good deeds. In my faith, faith is all you need, although good deeds will help. If you remember, in the bible there were two people on the cross. A theif and a murderer. I forget which one, but one said "if your jesus, get us down from here" the other said "remember me in heaven". Now, neither one did good deeds, but we can infer from the scripture that the one who said "remember me in heaven" was saved right then and went to heaven. In that example, good deeds werent important.

Crono 09-03-2003 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GameMaster
Ok, you want examples, I'll give you some things that cannot be proven:

1. Breathing
2. Food
3. Sleeping
4. A College Ruled Notebook

These things cannot be proven real.
Lol.. what the hell?

So breathing can't be proven? Then why is breathing the only way I'm living right now?

Food can't be proven? Then why do we die without food? Food is an essential part of life, it can be any type of food, as long as it's a source of energy, THAT is a scientific fact.

If I don't sleep, how do I restore energy? Sleeping is a form of restoring energy, humans do it every day, how is that unproven?

And a notebook? What is there to prove about it?

Vampyr 09-03-2003 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gamemaster
1. Breathing
2. food
3. sleeping
4. college ruled notebook
what in the world are you smoking? College ruled notebooks are most certainly real, and can be proven so.

GameMaster 09-03-2003 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Crono
Lol.. what the hell?

So breathing can't be proven? Then why is breathing the only way I'm living right now?

Food can't be proven? Then why do we die without food? Food is an essential part of life, it can be any type of food, as long as it's a source of energy, THAT is a scientific fact.

If I don't sleep, how do I restore energy? Sleeping is a form of restoring energy, humans do it every day, how is that unproven?

And a notebook? What is there to prove about it?
1. Define living.

2. Who are you to say we die if we don't eat. Can you prove death?

3. How do you know you're really alsleep. If you can't recall what you were doing for eight hours last night, than how do you expect me to believe you were sleeping? :wtf:

4. Prove that a notebook is indeed a notebook. Prove it exists.

Hero2 09-03-2003 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GameMaster
1. Define living.

2. Who are you to say we die if we don't eat. Can you prove death?

3. How do you know you're really alsleep. If you can't recall what you were doing for eight hours last night, than how do you expect me to believe you were sleeping? :wtf:

4. Prove that a notebook is indeed a notebook. Prove it exists.
define existence

GameMaster 09-03-2003 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Hero2
define exsitance
I rest my case.

Crono 09-03-2003 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GameMaster
1. Define living.

2. Who are you to say we die if we don't eat. Can you prove death?

3. How do you know you're really alsleep. If you can't recall what you were doing for eight hours last night, than how do you expect me to believe you were sleeping? :wtf:
1. You're getting off topic. How does this relate to me about not caring about Religion?

2. Hmm.... why don't you try not eating for a while? Perhaps until you fall face-first on the floor? You'll see my point then.

3. Who cares? I go to bed when I'm tired, when I get up 8 hours later, my body is refreshed and ready to start a new day. That's all I need to care about at this point in my life.

As stated twice, you are taking me too literally, and definitely taking this a bit too far.

Joeiss 09-03-2003 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Vampyr
I was talking about my God. But if you want to worship another one, go ahead, but I dont approve. But even if you do worship another, you still got a better chance than being an athiest. And its possible to wake up in the morning and just believe. It can happen.
I hate people with this rationale. What the hell makes you so positive that your chosen religion is the right one? Nobody knows. For all we know, Atheists could be right. There might not be a God. I do believe that there is, but I am just one person. The fact that you don't approve of people worshipping other things is bull****. Who are you to disapprove? The only person who can disapprove of something like that is God, and you might be the person that he is disapproving of.

Ginkasa 09-03-2003 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Joeiss
I hate people with this rationale. What the hell makes you so positive that your chosen religion is the right one? Nobody knows. For all we know, Atheists could be right. There might not be a God. I do believe that there is, but I am just one person. The fact that you don't approve of people worshipping other things is bull****. Who are you to disapprove? The only person who can disapprove of something like that is God, and you might be the person that he is disapproving of.


Well... Huh? So.. you're saying that God may be disapproving of Vampyr who worships God.. So God would be disapproving him of worshiping Him?

And if you truly believed in God, there would be no room for the possibility of other gods. It ruins everything about believing in God. If you admit that you might be wrong, you are not truly faithful and cannot be considered a real Christian...

I don't know... Your post is... Wierd...


*shrugs and walks away*

GameMaster 09-03-2003 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Crono
1. You're getting off topic. How does this relate to me about not caring about Religion?

2. Hmm.... why don't you try not eating for a while? Perhaps until you fall face-first on the floor? You'll see my point then.

3. Who cares? I go to bed when I'm tired, when I get up 8 hours later, my body is refreshed and ready to start a new day. That's all I need to care about at this point in my life.

As stated twice, you are taking me too literally, and definitely taking this a bit too far.
I'm not off topic. You see, the problem with you people is that you only take the time to question your belief in the big things (parting of seas, fish to loaves of bread and water to wine, the mighty plagues) but then you completely blow off the little things in life like eating yogurt, raising your hand, or calling someone a bad word. When none of this can or can't be proven, how can you priortize any of it as being more or less worthy of questioning?

Ginkasa 09-03-2003 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GameMaster
I'm not off topic. You see, the problem with you people is that you only take the time to question your belief in the big things (parting of seas, fish to loaves of bread and water to wine, the mighty plagues) but then you completely blow off the little things in life like eating yogurt, raising your hand, or calling someone a bad word. When none of this can or can't be proven, how can you priortize any of it as being more or less worthy of questioning?


He's not questioning his belief... He has no belief to question! Besides, what are you trying to prove? That everything in life is a beautiful thing? That life is an illusion? God is real? God isn't real? The Matrix is real?

WT* are you talking about?


*shrugs and walks away*

DarkMaster 09-03-2003 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GameMaster
1. Define living.

2. Who are you to say we die if we don't eat. Can you prove death?

3. How do you know you're really alsleep. If you can't recall what you were doing for eight hours last night, than how do you expect me to believe you were sleeping? :wtf:

4. Prove that a notebook is indeed a notebook. Prove it exists.
1. I don't live. Prove me wrong.

2. Can you prove death doesnt exist?

3. If you ate food and you are no longer hungry, how can you prove that you did in fact eat that food? Can you prove the past?

4. A notebook is a notebook because I say it is. Prove me wrong.

Meanings of life are based upon how you interpret them. There is no right or wrong, there is only opinion.

Crono 09-03-2003 07:55 PM
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Thank you, Ginkasa and DM. GameMaster, you are taking this too far, I don't care about Religion and I don't want to be Religous. It is the lifestyle I chose, just as I chose to be "different" from the rest of the "cool" kids, and just as I chose gaming to be a major part of my life. It has nothing to do with what is truly real or not, because I don't care if God is/was actually real.. if "he" is, then fine. It won't bother me until the day I die (assuming there's an afterlife... which is an completely different topic).

GameMaster 09-03-2003 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginkasa
He's not questioning his belief... He has no belief to question! Besides, what are you trying to prove? That everything in life is a beautiful thing? That life is an illusion? God is real? God isn't real? The Matrix is real?

WT* are you talking about?


*shrugs and walks away*
If he has nothing to question, then he's obviosuly made some decisions.

And how can one priotize the decision of something when everything can/cannot be proven real/unreal.

Where do you go about starting to decide let alone deciding one thing before another when it's all equal?


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