Yep yep... That is why I think the machines spared him... Becuase they "senced" that he was connect to the Matrix or something... I don't know.

although the lines themselves may symbolize something, I think the very reason he's carving himself is because this is his first time in the real world. He is Agent Smith who, earlier on in the movie, copied his information into Bane (the guy he appears to be in the real world). Now, Agent Smith was a program, until Neo destroyed him in the first movie. Throughout Reloaded, you'll hear a lot of things about Exile programs, ones that are no longer needed and/or can not be deleted. Smith is an Agent, he is suppose to be unbeatable, such is how he was programmed.

Neo defeated him, but he did not "die" because there is no way to delete an Agent program (I believe it was either the Oracle, or the Creator who implied this). Now, Smith is "free", he can do what ever he wants, he is no longer a program controlled by the Matrix (notice how the other Agents detest him?). Now that he can roam about in the real world, he now can physically feel things, like a human. I believe, that Smith cuts up his hand for the sensation. He has never feeled pain before, so he's experimenting.

easy enough, he wants to find Neo in the real world. Essentailly, Neo would be easier to kill in the real world than in the matrix.

So how come Neo has "powers" in the real world now? there could be multiple reasons.

For one thing, the matrix, including the real world, could all just be one big matrix. This would allow Neo to be powerful as well in the "real" world. If the Real World is actually the REAL World then, we get another slew of possible answers:He is some kind of magical human being, or, he is, essentially, not a human, and more of an outside-Matrix progam not unlike Agent Smith. After all, the creator does say that Neo is a program of the Matrix, designed to keep inline the .1% of people who could not accept living in the Matrix. Those .1% are the people in Zion.

The Creator also says "this will be the sixth time we've destroyed Zion, we are getting quite good at it" do you have any idea what that means? Zion has been destroyed almost the same way numerous times. How can an actual real life city be destroyed, start over with all the same buildings, peoples, and concepts, and then be destroyed again by the machines?

This could prove that the "Real" World is actually part of the Matrix, its another designed world made by the machines to harness the .1% people who can't except what they think is the real matrix. While all along, they are actually in one big matrix, they just can't see it. And that's not all, Neo also says near the end, when the machines are coming, he can "feel them" much like he can sense and feel things inside the matrix. This shows that Neo is starting to see the "Real" World for what it really is: a bunch of green coding.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. My main problem was, I didn't know they were the same people, but to me it would have only made sense for them to be the same guy. So there was a conflict between what I knew and what made sense.

And DarkMaster summed the rest up fairly nicely.

This is the question that we might have to wait on in order to get an answer. There are a slew of possibilities.

One is that the machines keep Zion alive for a reason. Perhaps they have literally destroyed Zion in the past. The "One" then chose the individuals from The Matrix who would start Zion back up again, their memories would be erased and reprogrammed to make them think that they had lived in Zion their entire lives; the current "One" would die and the cycle would repeat itself. Read what the Architect said below. He states that if Zion doesn't go on, if Neo doesn't choose the individuals to continue with Zion, then there would be a terrible system crash. This system crash would presumably happen because Zion would be destroyed and there would be nobody chosen to rebuild it. But why would that cause a system crash in the matrix?

The problem was that he knew Trinity would die if he wasn't there to save her.

If he had chosen the other door, the cycle simply would have repeated itself. The only way to bring an end to it (for better or worse) was to choose the door he did.

Did anyone know what happened to tank?

I had the same question. Blink's (is that his name) girlfriend is the sister of Tank and Dozer, and in the movie she said she had "already lost two people to that ship", or something to that effect. But as I understood it, Tank lived through the last one... So... :/

Now that I think about it though, I thought I caught a glimpse of him in the trailer for the next movie (I could be wrong). At any rate, it will be interesting to see how (or if) they explain his dissappearance.

Well, you have to watch Animatrix to get the full story.

Tommy Chong got signed off the set for some unknown reason. He went out with style, too. Apparently he stole all the food on set and just drove away. I think they could have patched it up better in the movie, though.

AHAHAHAA Dyne, his name is Marcus Chong. Tommy Chong is one of the title characters from Cheech and Chong. You got a stoner mixed up with a freedom fighter.

they're both stoners :dance:

Someone told me that "Tank" was sueing the WB because they said they would put him back in the sequeal and they didn't. :confused:

Hey guys........

I know it's kind of late but in Romania we just got the movie and I saw it 2 weeks ago. I'll tell you my conclusions:

First I want to ask if any of you can tell me where can I find Animatrix to watch it? I missed it on TV and just saw the end where they all die!

Tank died in the time between part 1 and part 2, as his sister tells us.

Compared with all of you I want to chose the real Zion theory. The Matrix within the Matrix it's too simple of an answer for Zion and everything. I might be really worng but I like to speculate on the other solution.

The name of the second part Rloaded, indicated what hapened 5 times before, but didn't in this one, and that's why the third one is a Revolution.

QUIET MIKE's theory on Matrix:

-Zion is in the real world. It was built by either the machines long ago, after the first Matrix, that failed and rebuild if needed after each ONE. It was a place where the few that rejected the program could be kept under surveliance. Remember the council member showing the mechanical room. It's there, no one knows how and why, but they depend on them.

- Agent Smith loaded itself in a real human's mind. Remember that all humans that can enter the Matrix have plenty of chips inserted in their brain. In the Matrix a person looks like the reflection of how the brain thinks he looks, so agent Smith looks like agent Smith once loaded in another brain. But outside the Matrix he looks like the real person but the brain is controlled by agent Smith since he is loded in the chips implanted in that guy's head.

- Neo had to choose a door where his program code would restart the Matrix and spread the "Legend of the One", which was in turn controled by the Oracle. With this reboot, everyone conected with the matrix would have renweed memories, maybe start all over. The humans out the Matrix would be defeated by the machines, with the exception of a few chosen by the One, which would have modified memories and left in Zion from where they would get back to the Matrix and get the rejecties out of the system.
Choosing not to reboot meant again the destruction of Zion, but without the few choosen ones, but also mean to have all the humans in the system continuing to leave the same life. Since life is in continuous evolution they would try to do the same in the Matrix, but since the Matrix is a simulation of only the 20th century, it would malfanction and crash thus destroing all conected into it. That's why Choosing that door meant destroing every human in Zion in their fight with the machines, as well as all the one in the Matrix trough the crash. So the death wasn't instant like someone believed.
- Once Neo got out they had 24 hours until the Machines reach Zion and begin the fight, and also hat to find a way to keep the Matrix online until all humans are disconencted.
- I have no clue how outside agent Smith survive the attack in one of the outposts
- Realizing all the secrets of the Matrix in his last trip, Neo got overcharged (remember the Trinity save sequence). Once outside the Matrix, because of the overcharge that he kept in his implants he starts sensing all the electrical inerferences in the air, like the radio frequencies the Machines use to keep in tough to each other and central comand. Somehow, just like in the Matrix, he can change the electic field (Magneto).

If you got bored go read something else. I need to take a breack. I talked too much

Yeah, I think your right.

I've also been theorizing that the machines have left Zion alone because it is the "control group." In the event that a system failure occured in the Matrix and all humans were lost, they would need some humans that were not hardwired to it to restart crop production.

Just a thought.

Well, to make a resectable opinion, you have to answer a question first... What is the goal of Matrix Revolutions? (assuming it's the last in the seris)

1. The goal of the first and second: Free everbody from the Matrix.

How to solve: More movies ;). I'm sorry, but there is no way on earth this problem could be solved fast. In fact, if there is a resolution in the next movie... they only will get the machines and agents out of thier way, then start the slow process. But, what may really happen is the Matrix being competly shut down... and the outside earth forming from only the people of Zion.

Which brings up the question, can humans survive without the machines? Is the earth a place where humans can realy survive? Is life better with the machies?

2. Save Zion from the Machines

How to solve: Some would like to belive Zion is a Matrix outside the Martix, and hopfully this is true or the humans are in trouble. But wait, didn't the Archetect offer Neo a way to save Zion by starting over? Why? Simple, the Matrix needs Zion. Some people in the Matrix can sense that they were in a program, and they could be potentially dangerous. By freeing them and giving them a impossible goal is means of control.

Neo is controlled, he has been being pushed around by CPU programs to achive an ultimate goal. But Neo made one decision that may not have been expected by the Matrix... he saved Trinity over saving humanty on the outside as a whole. That wouldn't have been the move I would have taken, but eh somehow he had to be special compared to the 5 "other" ones for them to make a movie about him.

Now, the matrix needs Zion as an area to place and kill minds that sense the fakeness of the Matrix. But, Neo chose not to save Zion so, once again, it will be desroyed... but this time without a way to be Revived. (at least not a way the CPU will have control over).

My personal concluson here is that Neo and Morpheus are under some type of mind control program. The program goes by the name of The Oracle. The CPU must have always looked for ways to control "The One" by giving him a false purpose. Also, like I said a cople of times before, a way to cotrol Zion. The "Prophecy" that Neo and Morpheus live by was created by the CPU.

Now, back to how to save Zion, well, it brings up another question. How did Neo stop the Machine at the end? Well, because the Matrix needs Neo, I think Neo was spared (yes, saved) for the good of the Matrix. Why is he needed? I have two ideas:

1) The One is needed to develop Zion, without him, no more Zion...

2) and the second reason he is spared is also the third goal of Matrix Revolutions:

3. Defeat Agent Smith

Smith may be the single worst Virus the Matrix has ever had in history. Given time he could completly run the Matrix, if all of his copies keep making copies maybe one every minute, he would be the only person left in the Matrix, and we all know he hates the Matrix, so he could commit a mass suicide on himself, kill all human life, thus killing The Matrix's energy supply, and destroying everything.

Who can defeat him? The other programs can't, and the Matrix really can't crack down on him... this is a job for our superhero Neo. I'm guessing he has to destroy the "real" Smith, or the one who started the virus. He/It may be powerful as hell and I think we may have seen him in the Matrix Revolutions trailer.

If you want my honest opinion, I think if nothing is solved in Revoluions, at LEAST Smith will need to die.

I feel that Revolutions isn't the last Matrix Movie, I think Revolutions/Reloded are all one movie that will be part 2 of a trilogy. The goals haven't been cleared up enough in Reloaded. The next movie may need to be a good 4hrs to answer everything.

Matrix is the Next Cult classic, kinda like Star Wars... There are even more side stories in the Matrix. You think SW had a lot of video games, I think Matrix will be able to match it in the next 10 years alone. They could also make prequals, and sequals like Star Wars too.

-EDIT-

I gots a question, what is the "Zion Mainframe"? Why did the agents in the first movie need the the passcodes for it?

yeah, in the first matrix, the dude who gets the virus program from neo says "you're my savior, my own personal jesus christ"

funny...

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Then he said "I think you need to unplug" :D

But I dunno about this Holy Trinity representation thing... I highly doubt it. First of all, how the hell do you label Trinity as the "Holy Spirit" and Morpheus as "The Father"??? Morpheus didn't create anything, he just tells the truth... so in a way I would label them as "profits" but then again, the program created the prophecy with the Oracle and The Archetect.