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Mushlafa 01-17-2003 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Perfect Stu
there's a reason humans exist...how we're at just the right distance away from the sun that we're able to live...how gravity is so convenient...how, from our knowledge, no other planet has intelligent life

I can't believe it's all just chance...someone/something created us...or created whatever we evolved from...some unknown power

And I'd also like to know why everything that has shaped most religions happened so long ago that nobody really knows if it actually happened, or if it was just a well thought-out story to satisfy one's emptiness.

I believe there will be SOMETHING after death...why waste a human soul (something truly magnificent) on a body that will only live 70, 80, 100 years max? I notice that most people who think that death is THE END seem unfulfilled with their life. You would think that if you were to believe that this is it, you would think of life as something more fragile, and would do anything and everything within your power to live the best life one could possibly live. But that's hardly the case.

Im against pretty much everything you said... i think it could be just chance that we happened to be the right distance from the sun and all... our galaxy alone has millions of stars and a lot of those stars have planets around them... and theres millions of galaxies out there... spread over trillions and trillions of light years... i think that with a number that big.... there has to be many planets with inteligent life out there...

I beleive when you die.. thats it.. your gone.. nothing else... i dont beleive in a soul either or anything like that... i dont beleive in reincarnation... and i dont beleive that there is any higher beings that we cant proove exist and have special powers to create people and everything on this planet... i think its all by chance..

Yeaah whatever im done.... i kinda wish i did beleive in all that stuff stu said tho... prolly would be a much happier person :)

Angrist 01-17-2003 05:07 PM

Hm I might have a surprise for you... Marionette knows what religion I have... I'll tell you later.

Shadow_Link 01-17-2003 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Mushlafa
Im against pretty much everything you said... i think it could be just chance that we happened to be the right distance from the sun and all... our galaxy alone has millions of stars and a lot of those stars have planets around them... and theres millions of galaxies out there... spread over trillions and trillions of light years... i think that with a number that big.... there has to be many planets with inteligent life out there...

I beleive when you die.. thats it.. your gone.. nothing else... i dont beleive in a soul either or anything like that... i dont beleive in reincarnation... and i dont beleive that there is any higher beings that we cant proove exist and have special powers to create people and everything on this planet... i think its all by chance..

Yeaah whatever im done.... i kinda wish i did beleive in all that stuff stu said tho... prolly would be a much happier person :)

So where do you believe all the materials of life, mass, energy and such in the universe came from?

Put it this way, everything leaves a trace behind for proof of something else... A camel leaves foot prints in the sand, fossilised bones of dinosaurs suggest dinosaurs exist, just as we humans, and all life on earth are living proof of the existance of something else, something that's left it's mark (God).

DeathsHand 01-17-2003 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Shadow_Link
just as we humans, and all life on earth are living proof of the existance of something else, something that's left it's mark (God).
Or we're not from something that's left it's mark... we're just here... :p

And some people may argue "But how can we just BE HERE!? There has to be an explanation!" but there are a lot of unexplained things that happen... *shrugs*...

Perfect Stu 01-17-2003 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by DeathsHand
Or we're not from something that's left it's mark... we're just here... :p

And some people may argue "But how can we just BE HERE!? There has to be an explanation!" but there are a lot of unexplained things that happen... *shrugs*...

that sounds like an explanation to me :hmm:

DH, I think you're taking the easy, thoughtless, unimaginative way out...'bah, it's all cheese...we're just here, we'll die, nothing will happen, yadda yadd a yadda'...it doesn't take much time or effort to come to that conclusion

There has to be a reason why something exists. What's our reason?

Shadow_Link 01-17-2003 05:48 PM

For those of you interested, I really do suggest you read through this site thoroughly:

The Truth...

I reccommend reading the 4 articles presented by the 4 pictures first.

There's quite a lot though.

The Germanator 01-17-2003 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Perfect Stu
that sounds like an explanation to me :hmm:

DH, I think you're taking the easy, thoughtless, unimaginative way out...'bah, it's all cheese...we're just here, we'll die, nothing will happen, yadda yadd a yadda'...it doesn't take much time or effort to come to that conclusion

There has to be a reason why something exists. What's our reason?

Shouldn't life be easy? If there was a creator, would he want us to waste our time trying to figure out if there was a god or not? I figure I'm here to live my life as I want, etc. I've never been interested in religion and quite frankly the "easy, thoughtless, unimaginitive way out" is what I believe in. To you it may be worthwhile to think about creation, god, etc...to me it's a waste.

Joeiss 01-17-2003 06:15 PM

Sweet website, Shadow.

Jason1 01-17-2003 06:31 PM

Im Jewish




:sneaky:

seirously, Im Catholic. There seems to be a lot of Cathliocs here. Im not a good Catholic tho...I go to church maybe once a month...but I was confirmed into the church and such...so yea I had to do stuff and learn stuff and do service hours...

Perfect Stu 01-17-2003 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by The Germanator
Shouldn't life be easy? If there was a creator, would he want us to waste our time trying to figure out if there was a god or not? I figure I'm here to live my life as I want, etc. I've never been interested in religion and quite frankly the "easy, thoughtless, unimaginitive way out" is what I believe in. To you it may be worthwhile to think about creation, god, etc...to me it's a waste.
life was never meant to be easy

if you think deciding whether there is a god or not is wasting your time, why are you wasting your time replying to this thread?

by the sounds of it, you don't believe in the 'easy, thoughtless, unimaginative way out'.....it sounds like you believe in nothing...have you ever thought about being thankful for whoever/whatever gave us humans life? life is a gift...a gift given by something...personally, I think that trying to figure out who we owe our lives to isn't that much of a waste

GameMaster 01-17-2003 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Angrist
Hm I might have a surprise for you... Marionette knows what religion I have... I'll tell you later.
Why couldn't you have just told us then? Are you trying to leave us in suspence, Mr. Mystery? ;)

The Germanator 01-17-2003 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by Perfect Stu
have you ever thought about being thankful for whoever/whatever gave us humans life? life is a gift...a gift given by something...personally, I think that trying to figure out who we owe our lives to isn't that much of a waste
That's the problem...I don't believe that "whoever/whatever" gave me life. Nobody came down and handed me life besides my mother because she gave birth to me. I'll thank her for the rest of my life, but that's a different story. I think that human life just happened...yes...I have no argument whatsoever, but I feel like I have the same amount of proof that "someone/something" created me, which leads me basically not to care. Nobody will ever be able to prove anything, and if I'm wrong and damned to hell, then shoot, but I'd rather make myself happy ( a living person, who I do know exists) rather than making some mystical creator happy. It may seem selfish, but in my mind it's common sense...bleh.

Mushlafa 01-18-2003 01:28 AM

Theres no proof something created us at all... if something could create living things just like that .. why dont other planets have inteligent life like ours... huh? Why did he pick just this planet.. when im sure theres many other planets out there with an atmosphere :unsure: by chance theres gotta be... I think if the conditions are right.. life will happen.. and very slowly but surely it will evolve into inteligent life somehow....

I dont understand how you can possible think that.. a human soul or ghost thing.. will fly out of our bodies when we die... and it goes up to the clouds.. but for some reason.. its heaven up there.. and you get to chill with a bunch of dead people.. i just cant see that... reincarnation is eaven worse... yep... when you die.. you get reborn as someone else but have no memory of your last life... yeah.. i dont think so... or deep down in the earths core.. there is a guy wit funky legs, a pich fork, and horns.. and if you were bad in life .. you get sent down there.. :unsure:

Beleivening things like this just doesnt make sense to me...

DeathsHand 01-18-2003 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by Mushlafa
Theres no proof something created us at all... if something could create living things just like that .. why dont other planets have inteligent life like ours... huh? Why did he pick just this planet.. when im sure theres many other planets out there with an atmosphere :unsure: by chance theres gotta be... I think if the conditions are right.. life will happen.. and very slowly but surely it will evolve into inteligent life somehow....

I dont understand how you can possible think that.. a human soul or ghost thing.. will fly out of our bodies when we die... and it goes up to the clouds.. but for some reason.. its heaven up there.. and you get to chill with a bunch of dead people.. i just cant see that... reincarnation is eaven worse... yep... when you die.. you get reborn as someone else but have no memory of your last life... yeah.. i dont think so... or deep down in the earths core.. there is a guy wit funky legs, a pich fork, and horns.. and if you were bad in life .. you get sent down there.. :unsure:

Beleivening things like this just doesnt make sense to me...

SOMEWHERE in the Universe there probably is another planet that can support life, and it probably does have life...

But if there's not and you still say like "Only this planet has conditions for life, that's too big to be a coincidence, we must have been created by some awesome power!" then if this God or 'power' or whatever you believe in could create life, why couldn't it it make more planets be able to support life?

:sneaky:

Blackmane 01-18-2003 03:02 AM

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Originally posted by Mushlafa
Theres no proof something created us at all... if something could create living things just like that .. why dont other planets have inteligent life like ours... huh? Why did he pick just this planet.. when im sure theres many other planets out there with an atmosphere :unsure: by chance theres gotta be... I think if the conditions are right.. life will happen.. and very slowly but surely it will evolve into inteligent life somehow....

I dont understand how you can possible think that.. a human soul or ghost thing.. will fly out of our bodies when we die... and it goes up to the clouds.. but for some reason.. its heaven up there.. and you get to chill with a bunch of dead people.. i just cant see that... reincarnation is eaven worse... yep... when you die.. you get reborn as someone else but have no memory of your last life... yeah.. i dont think so... or deep down in the earths core.. there is a guy wit funky legs, a pich fork, and horns.. and if you were bad in life .. you get sent down there.. :unsure:

Beleivening things like this just doesnt make sense to me...

Why, if God made us, would he feel obligated to make more life on another planet? That to be is compelling evidence because most likely with the number of stars out there there should be more intelligent life out there, but as far as we know there isn't. Besides that, why does there have to be cut and dry proof that God definetely exists?

All religions have something to do with faith. This is what bugs me about so many people is that they believe that religion is like calculus or something, it may be hard, but the answers are there. Well, not all the answers are there for religion because it wouldn't be a religion if we all knew that God existed and it required no faith. Believing in nothing makes less sense than believing in something. Firstly, there is no compelling evidence that there ISN'T a heaven or a hell. So, why would you want to believe that when you die, everything goes black and thats it?


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