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Well, they hint it had at least something to do with how his father treated him but he never went into full detail if that is the only thing that caused him to become so manic.

Another thing I noticed, is that it never rained in the movie. Alot of dark moments obviously but no rain moments which was refreshing.

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Yeah, but


I think it was also implied that he was lying about his father, as when he was talking to Rachel and said "Do you want to know how I get these scars" he made up a completely different story that had nothing to do with his father.

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To quote my favorite Joker-ism ever, and Swan's current MSN name.

"If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it be multiple choice."

The Joker with no set origins or many different origins works because the man is well not all there.

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Good point Vamp. I forgot until you mentioned that scene.

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The problem I see with retiring the joker... Plotly-speaking...

Joker avoided capture so many times (one person on IMDB said he seemed almost 'too invincible')... Then when he DOES get captured, he has a scheme set up to allow his escape (granted I don't know exactly what that scheme was because our showing of the movie cut off just moments before that scene)...

Then the film basically ends with him getting arrested again (presumably)... And we're to expect that, after all that, he's not going to be able to find a way out again?

I think Nolan and his crew have quite a predicament on their hands...

P.S.: In the film's first four days of release, it's already surpassed the previous record FIVE day gross, and is only ~$650,000 short of the SIX day record gross...

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Not really spoilers, but could lead people to draw conclusions:

Things aren't really any different in the comics. It is stated that the Joker, somehow, has the ability to pretty much come and go as he wants from Arkham. Any time he is captured, he can escape at any moment. He says something like "I only stay here to rest."

There are times when he breaks out, does things, then comes back. This doesn't mean that the Joker is in every single Batman comic, though, so not being in the last movie isn't a big deal. They can just say something about how he's currently locked up in Arkham, and the audience can assume that he hasn't broken out yet.

The Joker's final words to Batman "We're destined to do this for all time" says to be that Nolan wasn't completely done with the Joker, and he would have had at least a substantial cameo in the third one, but alas. I don't think he'll be resurrected, just mentioned.

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Man, the third's villians have a tough act to follow. What if they used the Mad Hatter and the Riddler? I would pay to see Johnny Depp as The Riddler, five times, and maybe Christopher Walken as the mad hatter. :lolz: Maybe it would win them an Oscar for once.

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I'd love Paul Bettany to play The Riddler.

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Speaking of sequels, that reminds me of the most disappointing part of the Dark Knight when it finally ends -- knowing that there will be a sequel, and knowing that there is no chance in hell that it will be as good.

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Very possible. I know he expressed interest in being the Joker before Heath Ledger got the role.

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And:

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It's ok, I love you Batman. :love:

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I think Jim Carrey should be the Riddler again. He was great.

The worst thing about Nolan creating a third Batman film will be the absence of Heath.

Batman is pretty dry through this movie. And his performance pales in comparison to Heath's.

Maybe that's just the nature of the characters. But every time I saw Batman speak, with his lower lip all funny looking and that ridiculous voice... I just couldn't get past it.

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I'd prefer a darker Riddler like the Joker is in Dark Knight. Dark jokes would be a good take, especially if somehow someone could do a performance similar to Heath's. Darker Riddler and darker Joker would be an interesting duo.

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I'm not sure where I read it but I heard rumors of Anthony Michael Hall as Riddler...

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Well let's see the ones people expect

-Riddler
-Catwoman
-Penguin

The ones I hope for
-The Clock King (he is a personal favorite but yeah I realize a whole movie about he would be impossible)
-Clayface (especially if use a modified version of the Batman origins)
-Deadshot (he was used in the anime special)

Ones other hope for
-Bane (I can see it but a lot of the taste of that other movie would ruin the character)

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I don't think they could pull off a Deadshot movie.

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He initially appeared in Gotham City as a new crimefighter, but was revealed to be an enemy of Batman when he attempted to replace the Dark Knight. He was sent to jail when Batman and Commissioner Gordon publicly exposed his plot to become the king of Gotham's underworld.

I think you got a plot for a movie right there.

Deadshot emerges as a new hero for Gotham to replace the wanted Batman. The public encourages him to go after Batman.

He is finally revealed as an evil man trying to gain control of the broken mob.

Personally, I've always been curious about a superhero movie that has a 2 act set-up. Where the start is like the hero chasing and catching a minor villain. And at the same time, the rise of a new villain.

Sure it is kind of similar with Scarecrow in The Dark Knight but eh

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Except Scarecrow's scene in Dark Knight felt so out of place to me at least it could have been left out even though it kinda set up something later on.

I thought I read somewhere the Director doesn't want to do Clayface since he isn't a fan of CGI which well..Clayface will definitely need though they did really good CGI on Two-Face in Dark Knight. At first I wondered if they did makeup or not..until I realized that its difficult to pull off makeup when it comes to baring the teeth and whatnot.

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Man, just got back from my second time through. So amazing, even though imax was sold out, the regular version was fine (even if it was quieter.)

I love this movie. And just like The Prestige, there is SO many little nuances in the writing - for example, when Alfred points out to Harvey that he's almost known Rachel her whole life, yet ironically her life ends not long after. :lolz: Oh Nolan, you card.

I think I love this film because it's the perfect companion piece to The Prestige - in The Prestige he almost completely masters unconventional storytelling, yet in Dark Knight he shows how he can write the same way with a linear, more pop plot. If only Hugh Jackman and Scarlett Johansson were in this, it would be awesome - but there's SO many actor tie-ins. William Fitchner and Bale (Equilibrium), Tommy Lister and Gary Oldman (Fifth Element), Aaron Eckhart and Katie Holmes (well, if Holmes never had "scheduling conflicts", but Thank You For Smoking) and more that I can't think of. So awesome.

EDIT: Holy shit! Mr. Reese is totally going to be the Riddler. Mr. Reese = Mysteries! GET IT? Oh my god. How did I never catch that? Just like his other pseudonym, Edward Nygma - as in Mr. E. Nygma.

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Not my diagnosis!

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Neither was mine. I think he played a good part as a regular ol' villain from Batman's first crusade that he already vanquished and knew how to deal with.

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DeathsHand was just reciting Scarecrow's single line from the movie actually...

But you knew that ;)

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Not true! He shared some chit-chat with the thug fellas before Batmen showed up...

But yeah, his scene to me felt kinda eh...
And that line was goofy...

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Eh, I enjoyed the scene. It was a nice little cameo, and it was cool that Cillian Murphy came back to do it.

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I finally got to see the Dark Knight...on IMAX nonetheless. I'm glad I waited a week. By the time Friday rolled around I was so beat from I had forgot about most of the stupid Batman hype. I went into the movie with high expectations, but nothing unobtainable. And, I was not disappointed.

It was much much better than Batman Begins. Much. The pacing was wonderful, and the themes were well done.

Still...my only real complaint is that I'm still not sure if I liked casting Aaron Eckhart. Time will tell, and I do plan on seeing the movie a few more times while it is in theaters.

The special effects were "off da hook." And, watching a film shot mostly in Chicago made it all the more enjoyable since I have been living in the city for the past 2 years.

I read two or three critic reviews saying that the action in the Dark Knight was too up-close and claustrophobic, but I'm not sure what they were talking about. Batman laid the smackdown on tons of badies in the film, and he kept a human element the whole time.

And then there was Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker. It was maniacal, energetic, over the top, and BRILLIANT. This is how I picture a real villain to act...Nolan hit a home run with the Joker. A villain so insane and only interested in the destruction of society. Brilliant.

Some of the other stuff, like Batman having doubts about being a superhero was touched on in Spiderman 2. But the ending theme of the movie was brilliant, as was the Joker's conversations with Batman about society, society's need for a hero like Batman, and the essence of being a hero.

Needless to say....I could probably continue to deconstruct the movie, but I won't. I want to enjoy it a few more times, because it was that good.

So...hopefully back to the theater I go tonight or tomorrow.

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I'd agree.

Plus...the third movie has been the kink in all super hero movies thus far....

Superman 3
Spiderman 3
X-Men 3

all crap crap crap...

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Hahaaaaaaahahahaha. They should really watch The Kingdom before they start claiming that. What a terrible movie for closeups.

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Let's not skim over it without looking at the movies that started the trend
Superman III
Batman Forever
Matrix Revolutions

But speaking of 3, just came back from my 3rd showing of the Dark Knight (first in a normal theatre) the shots filmed in IMAX lose their luster a bit, but the movie is still every bit as awesome.

caught an awesome line I missed before.

When Joker first meets the mob, I think it is Sal who says he wears lousy make-up and a cheap suit.

So when the Joker sits down after the magic trick, he is like this suit isn't cheap. You should know you paid for it. I think it was to Gamble. Such a simple line but he taunts them so bad.

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If Nolan does it, it will be good. It might not be as good as The Dark Knight, but it certainly will not be a bad movie.

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The Dark Knight is now the #1 rated movie over at IMdb.

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It has been pretty much since it came out, though it's been slowly losing ground (down to 9.2 from 9.5)...

The IMDB top 250 is pretty silly though... A nice list to browse for good movie recommendations, but I wouldn't take their placement very seriously... There's too much hype and drama.

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For a time it was also on the list of worst movies... simultaneously.

Hackers FTW!

There was also a large campaign of people who intentionally voted down The Godfather which is why The Shawshank Redemption is now second when it should be third...

And... as GT's official go-to guy for all news Batman, I present the official teaser poster for the third film:

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GM GM GM

You are so looking for trouble aren't you.

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People said that about Spider-Man 3 and look what happened there. :p
I'll believe it when I see it...in the mean time, I'm still absorbing The Dark Knight.

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Number 4! Number 4!

Yeah saw movie for the 4th time. Take that GM!. Third time in IMAX! And really it does make a difference.

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If I get depressed this weekend I will probably go see it again

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Wait you will only see Batman if you get depressed?
How does that work?

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To cheer him up. Duh.

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Friday estimates show The Dark Knight just barely ($300,000) being edged out by Pineapple Express.

Last Friday, The Mummy topped TDK by 2.5 million, but TDK still ended up on top for the weekend.

1st for the 4th week in a row, perhaps? *ponders*