Well, Goldberg was a football player for the Atlanta Falcons, so of course the home town WCW was gonna give the guy a push :p

I dunno if it would have been the same, but they probably could have taken it on with a lot of different guys.

Well, Triple H has an interview over at WWE.com, and for the first time in a long time, I somewhat agree with the guy. Even though he doesn't help matters much, but the fact is the WWE can't push someone who isn't ready for a push, but they continue to do it anyhow, A-Train, Big Show, Nathan Jones, the list goes on, but i's up to the wrestlers to use the chance they got to make themselves shine.

Look at John Cena, I mean sure he was getting a decent push, but look how much his career has elevated since Halloween when he acted like Vanilla Ice, he may even get a shot at the WWE Title at BackLash.

But the problem is, people on SmackDown are allowed that opporunity, look at Matt Hardy, he went from Raw to SmackDown! and look how great the Mattitude gimmick has taken off, he is even challenging Brock Lesnar next week. I know it's not usually the face's job, but exactly how many mid-carders you see talking smack about Triple H week in and week out? Then look at Lesnar, who got two up and coming supserstas gunning for him.

Or take Hurricane, who was basically buried when he went to Raw and get invovled with the whole Katie Vicks/Kane/Triple H thing, his career was basically on a standstill. Then he hooked up with the Rock after No Way Out, and the fans started to care again, he even got a victory over the Rock, but then he fights Triple H and that is all gone. And I never did get how Triple H considers himself in the same league as the Rock or an Austin or even a Hogan, Triple H isn't the reason WrestleMania breaks attendance records, Triple H isn't a ratings draw, and probably never was, yet he has this huge ego.

Exactly... on Rawit seems that nobody is really making a change that fans canadapt to. But you can't blame HHH for that, they got older people on the show who have completly defined themselves by now. Booker is the same Booker, Jericho is the same jericho, HBK is the same HBK, Steiner is the same Steiner... hell, HHH himself has evolved more than any of them over the last 6 months! and I'm not saying they can't make a change, look at The Rock...

Is HHH holding them down from making a change in attitude? No, he isn't. Sombody is going to have to start pulling some big stunts to get fans attention, then you get writers attention, then you wind up with a belt.

Right now, looking over the past 3 years... what guy on Raw would it really make sense for HHH to lose to? Nobody, because nobody changed. Rock and Goldberg are the only two who really pose a threat when loking at the past. Maybe even HBK... Why is it that he isn't fighting these guys?

Winning the belt isn't how you fget a push, getting a reaction from the fans is. I will admit, HHH should have lost the belt (w/o cheating from either party) at WM, and regained it at the Next with Flair Cheating for him... THEN go into the Goldberg rivalry.

Hell, I'm upset that Goldberg is even coming back now, because him coming back can be used as a scapegoat for Booker T losing at WM... now I still don't know if it was 100% HHH's fault, or if the writers set it up this way.

lol, never is such a strong word... I dunno, were the ratings better in the McMahon Helmsley Era, or in the year he was injured?

Also, if he were not a ratings draw, why do you think the fans exploded so much when he came back from his injury? WWE can't make the fans cheer, they were just fans of HHH... His popularity did drop post-injury, but so did the WWE's. Can't blame everything on the man.

You put HHH on smackdown, he'd be doing the same thing, why, he's banging the boss's daughter, only difference, he'd be completely overshadowed by those superstars on Smackdown,


Angle, Benoit, Lesnar, Edge, Etc...

Anywho, my only beef is his hyprocricy towards the business, he wants what's best for it.....so long as it doesn't affect him directly.

It's a sham, everyone knows it, but they can't do **** about it unless he's outta power.

And who's fault is that? Jericho in my honest opinion could have been the next Rock, he was getting over BIG TIME as a face, and what happens? He starts a feud with Triple H. It basically put his career back fifty steps and he's never been the same since. He's lost constantly to Triple H, never even looked like a threat in their feuds, was WALKING TRIPLE H'S DOG and was being Stephanie's bitch instead of being a threat to Triple H in their last feud. What I found completely amazing is when Jericho and Triple H faught in a HIAC match, not for a title or anything, and Triple H still won that! I mean come on, how does that help ANYONE?

Then look at RVD. He was getting huge crowd reactions for the longest time. He was main eventing or fighting with the biggest stars up until he feuds with Triple H. Now where is he? In a tag team with Kane fighting on Heat. Had RVD been allowed to actually won the feud with Triple H, then he might be seen as a legitimate threat to guys like Rock, Austin (who RVD beat in a singles match by the way already), etc.

And this one is going further back, but just another example of Triple H making other guys look like weak little ****s... Remember when Test was gonna marry Steph? Then evil Triple H makes the evil plan and marries Steph while she's out cold. Okay, nothing wrong at all there. But THEN, Steph reveals she actually was in on the plan... Alright... But then, Triple H beats the crap outta Test. Again. And again. Triple H stole his fiance, and then beat him on several occasions. That just doesn't make sense.

Notice how Triple H only puts over the people who aren't a threat to take his place? Shawn Michaels got the title off him, but Shawn Michaels is his best friend, and Shawn Michaels poses no threat whatsoever to Triple H's spot. Hogan beat Trips, but that didn't matter at all, Hogan's fifty years old.

The fans go crazy almost anytime a wrestler comes back from a long time off. Did you see the pop for Piper at Wrestlemania? Hogan STILL gets pops BIGGER than Triple H got when he returned, and Hogan gets them like every night. When Angle returns, he will get a huge pop. But in reality, the live crowd reaction doesn't matter THAT much at all. If the ratings don't go up any, then it doesn't matter how loud the crowd cheers, because you aren't drawing anything.

Anyhoo, on a little bit of a different topic, Triple H, the heel, gets face pops... And that's not a good thing. He belittles most of his opponents and then beats the absolute **** outta them to prove that he is better than them. Laughs at them, slaps them around, makes jokes about them, so of course the crowd's gonna cheer for him. At WM, Booker barely got cheered at all because nobody believed he would beat Triple H, and he didn't.

Guys, don't bother arguing HHH with The Game. I think he still remembers the HHH before the injury, and is blocking the current frightened, backstabbing, glory hog from his consciousness.

BTW, I thought the interview was hilarious, especially then Goldberg part. I'm sure that Goldberg just started cursing at HHH for no reason... sure... tell me another one. People just don;t do that, even if they are meatheads like Goldberg.

Also, apparently every wrestler in the WWE needs to earn HHH's respect to be considered a top guy. Who the f*** does he think he is? Booker earned HHH's respect???

Booker T was a tag team champion back when HHH was still living in mid card hell as "Terra Risin" in WCW. Booker was an 8 time tag team champion back when HHH was Hunter Hearst Helmsly, walking to the ring in riding boots and a rediculous red jacket and bowing everywhere. Booker was putting on classics with Chris Benoit back when HHH was chopping his crotch and appearing in black face in DX.

HHH needs to get his head on straight and fast, or else there is going to be NO ONE in HHH's twisted mind that deserves to pin him in a match, and he won't have to rop matches becasue his fake titted girlfiend will just cry to daddy.

Hey Hunter... its a work... LAY THE F**K DOWN!!!

You guys really seem to care for Jericho and his feelings... kinda touches my heart.

Well, what was HHH supposed to say? If you were in HHH's position, and you just beat Booker, what would you say? Hell, if you successfully defended any type of championship from a more experienced person what would you say?

Was HHH fighting for Booker's respect? I don't think so.

Booker T was big in the dark ages of WCW...and he didn't help anything. HHH was a part of DX... if that wasn't enough of a ratings draw, we can say that in WWE's peak, HHH was a big part of the company. In WCW's peak, where was Booker T? In the mid card, if not lower.

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If no one deserves to pin him in a match, why does he continue to cheat over and over in main event matches. If he felt that nobody should be able to pin him, why won't he take it to the next level... legitament victories over all opponents?

Also, why wouldn't he cry about losing to Hogan? Besides Vince and HHH, Hogan hasn't had many big one on one victories in this comeback that come to mind.

Getting pissed at HHH for Vince's choices is just stupid... HHH doesn't own the WWE, he doesn't make any final decisions determining if he keeps the belt or not. If Vince or a powerful backstage writer believed that HHH should have lost to Jericho or Booker, he would have... and I doubt he would have ran home and beat his wife like Austin because he isn't getting his way.

A threat to take his place... what do you mean by this. He doesn't lose to sombody who could possibly become a domanent wrestler in the industry?

What makes him different from Austin...

Austin for the last 5 years was in one of three places... 1) he had the belt 2) he was fighting for the belt 3) he was in a story that was much bigger than the belt itself. He has to lose to Brock and Hall then he automaticly runs home like a little bitch.

If any wrestler had the backstage pull of HHH they would be the same product.... the fact is, Vince needs to stop listening to him if he feels HHH's actions are bad for the buisness. But, instead, Vince doesn't think of HHH as a poison much like you do, so Vince allows HHH the have control over his own fate.

It is HHH's ultimate decision to win or lose, or to crawl under a rock.. but like all wrestlers and athletes alike, he wants to win. So that takes the ultimate decision off of his shoulders until he feels he has nothing to prove anymore... but until that time comes HHH isn't responceable for his actions on stage, Vince is.

You can say "HHH is a big headed fool" "HHH is an ass who doesn't want to lay down for anybody" but if you give ANY wretler in the industry who feels they still have somthing to prove, and they would be no different.

if fans were truly sick of HHH winning, they would start booing him and chanting out crap to him like they do to Vince and Angle. If he's really that bad for the show, why cheer for him?

He obviously has his live fans... and we can't really say if most of the people who tuning into WWE television hate him or not.

Ugh, I give up. You're hopeless. I hope you're happy supporting one of the main reasons the WWE sucks right now. Hell, maybe he'll keep the title for several more years and then when the WWE goes under you can be ecstatic that he retired as the Champ. Go HHH. Keep bangin' the bosses daughter and burying every young talent that can run circles around you in the ring. Those Indian Deathlocks are SUPER and not BORING after 5 minutes at all. Yay. :rolleyes:

There is one thing I'm sure of, and that is that you have no idea how someone gets over in the wrestling business.

That's your opinion... in my opinion the WWE doesn't suck right now. Is it at an all time high? Hell no, but is it at an all time low? I'd say no to that too.

I guess it would suck to be you, I mean, if you hate HHH WWE probably would be hard to watch right now. IMO, HHH isn't wrestling at near his best, but one guy isn't taking away from anything. I'd much rather him be the champ than Booker or Steiner... but like you know, I'm a fan. I just don't see how having any of the guys he has faced in recent times becoming champ would help anyhing.

I doubt that having Booker or Jericho as champ would increase ratings... hell, maybe I'm wrong, maybe the should would get some type of miricle jump... but I simply don't see it hapening.

As far as I know, there is no cut and dry definition to how a wrestler gets over... some guys like the Brock Lensars, Goldbergs, and Big Shows just get a meal ticket wherever they go and start on top... and other work thier way up. It takes work both ways, but if the writers don't give you that break you just won't get it.

Let me put it this way: No one has ever gotten over by losing to someone who cheats without ever overcoming those odds to win. NO ONE. Cheating or no, a loss is a loss is a loss. Piper cheated constantly, but he never did screw Hogan out of the title did he? Of course not, BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE KILLED HOGAN'S HEAT.

The time tested angle is as follows: Heel is champ. Heel cheats face to win over and over again. Face wins title at big money event. Face is over and draws money with another heel or continues feud. Booker should have gone over, there is no reason on God's green earth why he shouldn't have, besides backstage politics and ego. NONE.

Here's how it works with HHH: Heel is champ. Heel cheats to win over and over and then. Heel buries poo slob who he was working with at a big money event. Heel faces next chump stupid enough to get buried by him thinking they'll be elevated.

The fact is HHH has gotten over by taking, and has given little to nothing back. He has gotten over by being booked as a legitimate champ and by going over a lot of big names. I have no problem with that. But legitimate and depressingly and boringly unbeatable are 2 different things. I feel sad for Mick Foley that he spent the end of his career basically creating this backstage monster.

Let me ask you this: If you were a WWE worker right now, and you saw what has happened to those who worked HHH, would you want to work him or try and get over while avoiding him?

As for blaming things on the writing team... WHO RUNS THE DAMN WRITING TEAM????? I believe her name is Stephanie McMahon, HHH's knob slobber. There couldn't possibly be any conflict of interest there, could there? NAWWWW.:rolleyes:

Agreed... but you are taling about a rivalry with no equals... in that situation Face>Heel... but in a HHH situation Heel>face... so how exactly do they make HHH lose with cheating involved?

To smash HHH's heat he needs to lose a match w/o any cheating from his party, or even cheating from the Face's side. Hasn't happend yet, they need to tie him into a cage and ban Flair from ringside... if he were to win a match like this now it would shake me even more than the Booker Match.

Just a question, lets say HHH loses a match.... what happens to HHH after this event? In today's story there is no room for him anywhere else but the title Race... I thought there would be room elsewhere, but now that Rock/Austin are gone he can't really have a big match away from the belt.

Agreed

at WM it is the perfect time to hand the torch, if Booker would have made an exciting champ or not, I think he still should have won that match.

I have to go to class.. I'll be back to respond to the second half of your post.

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Good, apparently you didn't make it on time to realize I made half a post.

this has only been true for the last three-four months.

unbeatable... please don't mank me laugh, HHH is no less beatable than Brock, our other champ.

If I was a young RVD/Rey Mysterio type, of course I'd try to avoid him, because he wouldn't accept me beating him... and more importantly the writers and Vince wouldn't accept it.

If I were in Booker's shoes, what choice is there? Either stay back and be a joke with Goldust, or be moved up into the ranks of a potential champion... and have my first title bout at WM. Win or lose this is a better direction than where Booker was going before hand.

Personaly, I'm a firm hater of the shows splitting up. I think the split is everything that's wrong with the WWE right now. Vince thinks he has more show carriers then he acctually has.

Like I said earlier in my post, HHH loses, then what? If there were no split there would be plenty of superstars out there for him to crush or lose to w/o having to even be the holder of the "ticket" that gets a wrestler over. HHH could be out there for months and not have any encounter with the champ, and after losing the belt he would have a lot to fall back on.

In Raw's state HHH is the king of the hill, is that his fault? maybe... but I can't help thinking what would he be doing right now if he didn't have the belt and HBK took it, or Steiner, or Booker. How can he even fit in with the story w/o going for the belt with Raw's limited roster?

he's not good enough on the mic to be a side show... much like Goldberg...

If you could have taken control of Raw in late 2002, where would you have put HHH in the story, how would you have worked him out of the belt or his current domanence?