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MuGen 02-24-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Nintendo is d00med, OH NOEZ
 
Microsoft has enough money but money can't buy everything

They can put all their money into the console market and still wouldn't be able to beat Sony. Because they are meant to be a software company...hence Microsoft[ware]

Yes... that is a fanboy comment.....

Blackmane 02-24-2005 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Null
i dont see why it wouldnt be the same tho, it would still be nintendo making the game, Microsoft may say no to a project, saying we dont want to publish a game like that. but they arent going to come in and say hmmm. make ganondorf wear pink shoes. it would be all nintendo making the game.

and you wouldnt be worried about what it 'could be' because you'd be hapy of what it is. it would still be a game and therefor, a games a game.

However, i should rephrase that to say, a good game is a good game.

Well, you may have a point, but you cannot deny that Microsoft, if they bought Nintendo, would try to make the hit franchises more applicable to older ages according to their idea of what older people want.

But, this is a silly arguement because Nintendo will never die! Long live Nintendo!!!

Solid Snake 02-24-2005 04:30 PM

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I agree, this is a good controversial subject to debate over, but heck will freeze over before Nintendo gets bought out by Microsoft.

jeepnut 02-24-2005 05:59 PM

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Microsoft buys Nintendo. I can see it now...

Mario Extreme Beach Volleyball

Vampyr 02-24-2005 06:55 PM

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I've been hoping for a long time that Nintendo would go third party. The only reason I buy a Nintendo system is so I can play the classic Nintendo games, and if I want to be able to play anything else, I have to go buy ANOTHER system.

I think it would be excellent if I could buy Microsoft's next gen system, and be able to play all the great games along with Nintendo's games.

If I do buy a system next generation, I was already leaning towards Microsoft's system. If they are as efficient as they were this generation, than their next system will be the best as well. Xbox may not be selling the best, and may not be the most popular in households, but it is a far superior system. It has a huge hard drive, great online support, and no one can argue that the graphics are the best out there.

In my opinion, Microsoft buying Nintendo would be one of the best things to happen in gaming in a long time.

DarrenMcLeod 02-24-2005 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr
I've been hoping for a long time that Nintendo would go third party. The only reason I buy a Nintendo system is so I can play the classic Nintendo games, and if I want to be able to play anything else, I have to go buy ANOTHER system.

I think it would be excellent if I could buy Microsoft's next gen system, and be able to play all the great games along with Nintendo's games.

There's a problem with your theory. Nintendo going third party (ala sega) would mean that they'd put games on both M$ and Sony's systems. That'd be even worse, because now you have to buy two systems in order to play different Nintendo franchises in case they make some console exclusive!

Now, I don't know about you, but the amount of gaming I get out of the GameCube, even if I want games on other systems, is quite sufficient. I have a large library of Cube games, haven't had a chance to finish lots, and there are still more Cube games that I'd love to own. Nintendo's system is all I need.

And Null, call it blind loyalty or whatever you want, but I probably won't buy a system other than by the big N. I don't want to play Zelda with an Xbox controller. I don't want games pumped out for money rather than enjoyment. I don't want Sony's anti-multiplayer policy (2 controller ports, GREAT plan). Nintendo innovates while others copy... without Nintendo I fear there will be no innovation anymore.

Crash said it best... Nintendo for life.

dropCGCF 02-24-2005 09:59 PM

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I don't see this happening, competition makes the industry stronger.

Vampyr 02-24-2005 10:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod
There's a problem with your theory. Nintendo going third party (ala sega) would mean that they'd put games on both M$ and Sony's systems. That'd be even worse, because now you have to buy two systems in order to play different Nintendo franchises in case they make some console exclusive!

Now, I don't know about you, but the amount of gaming I get out of the GameCube, even if I want games on other systems, is quite sufficient. I have a large library of Cube games, haven't had a chance to finish lots, and there are still more Cube games that I'd love to own. Nintendo's system is all I need.

And Null, call it blind loyalty or whatever you want, but I probably won't buy a system other than by the big N. I don't want to play Zelda with an Xbox controller. I don't want games pumped out for money rather than enjoyment. I don't want Sony's anti-multiplayer policy (2 controller ports, GREAT plan). Nintendo innovates while others copy... without Nintendo I fear there will be no innovation anymore.

Crash said it best... Nintendo for life.


I would rather that Nintendo be bought by Microsoft so that I would only have to buy that system, an no other. But how would Nintendo, by making games for Microsoft and Sony, be worse than them being first party and designing games for their own hardware? Either way I would need two systems. As it is currently, I have to have a GCN if I want the Nintendo titles, and another system if I want to enjoy anything else. I don't care what the biggest GCN fanboy says, Nintendo's third party support sucks.

And I would still be saving money, anyway, because I currently own all three current generation consoles. If Nintendo dropped out and started developing only software, that's one less system I would need.

And lets say that Nintendo did become third party and developed games for Microsoft and Sony. Nearly all of their games would be available for both systems (that makes the most money), and if a game is exlusive for one console, it probably wouldn't remain that way forever, a la Resident Evil 4.

And really, what does a different controller matter? I didn't know anyone really LIKED the GCN controller. It's my biggest turn off to the entire system. It just feels wierd. I like using the XBox controller for shooters, and the PS2 controller for everything else. (except maybe driving games)

And it is flawed thinking to say that Nintendo develops games for enjoyment rather than for money. Face it, every company is in it for the money. If Nintendo was just doing it for the fun of things, than why aren't their prices lower than everyone elses?

And Nintendo claims to be the great innovator of the gaming industry...yet they are clearly the most hard headed and stubborn of them all. How can they claim to be innovators when they won't even give up the idea of online gaming not being mainstream? They are the most unwilling to change, yet somehow get landed with being the "most innovative". If you ask me, Xbox Live is innovative. The Eye Toy is innovative. The DS is kind of innovative...but still really gimmicky, and pretty much a rehash of that old two screen game and watch thingy.

But you are right about Sony's two controller port concept. I don't know where they got that idea. But this thread isn't supposed to be about Sony, it's supposed to be about Nintendo and Microsoft coming together, and other than for the sake of tradition, I can't think of a single negative connotation to this idea.

Null 02-24-2005 10:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod
And Null, call it blind loyalty or whatever you want, but I probably won't buy a system other than by the big N. I don't want to play Zelda with an Xbox controller. I don't want games pumped out for money rather than enjoyment. I don't want Sony's anti-multiplayer policy (2 controller ports, GREAT plan). Nintendo innovates while others copy... without Nintendo I fear there will be no innovation anymore.

you never will play a zelda on an xbox controller tho, if it happend you'd be playing a zelda game on whatever controller is out at that time. are you seriously saying that a controller that hasnt been made yet is already not good enough?

the money/enjoyment comment is just stupid. nintendo doesnt put games out only for enjoyment. they put them out to make money on them. I have no idea where people get the idea that nintendo is the saints of the universe and dont care about money, thats complete bs.

you dont want sonys multiplayer, (ala online, bunches of people together) but you want nintendos multiplayer (ala.......well not really much idea of multiplayer at all really) MS is the only 1 of the 3 who got the whole idea right. 4 controllers AND online.

and i've seen as much innovation from nintendo as i have seen from MS and sony lately. which incase you were unable to tell, is none. neither of the 3 have innovated jack. however what they do, is 2 of the 3 give gamers what they want, or at least try. the 3rd gives you things you never wanted and taunts everything it does as INNOVATIVE!

serously tho. innovation comes with time. forcing something innovative doesnt do any good if its time hasnt come. and as far as i can see, (please list some if there are) there has been no real innovation in quite a while. nintendo seems the same as the other 2. if nintendo (or any one of the 3 for that matter) quit today, i think we'd be in the exact same spot 10 years from now than if they never quit.


Quote:

Crash said it best... Nintendo for life.
well. from the sound of most people. its more like, "Nintendo for life! unless any of my money goes to another company in which case nintendo can burn!" its quite the interesting idea tho. ;)

Jason1 02-24-2005 11:01 PM

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"Asked what he thought about Nintendo's future, Hawkins replied: "My magic eight ball says they will be acquired by Microsoft within five years."


My magic 8 ball says you can suck it.

Null 02-24-2005 11:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason1
"Asked what he thought about Nintendo's future, Hawkins replied: "My magic eight ball says they will be acquired by Microsoft within five years."


My magic 8 ball says you can suck it.

mine always says ask again later. :(

KillerGremlin 02-24-2005 11:12 PM

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Yup.....I'm going to back Null up on this topic. The amount of fanboyism on this forum is sickening. You people would rather pledge your soul to Nintendo then move on. Some people are just afraid of change I guess....

Jonbo298 02-24-2005 11:34 PM

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Do you even know what GameTavern originally was Gremlin?

Blackmane 02-25-2005 02:01 AM

Re: Nintendo is d00med, OH NOEZ
 
Lol, he thinks this is fanboyism?

Does he not know that this is nothing?

DarrenMcLeod 02-25-2005 03:32 AM

Re: Nintendo is d00med, OH NOEZ
 
I'm gonna tackle a lot here, so bear with me. Remember, this is all opinions. Everyone has personal bias, and obviously mine is with Nintendo, just like other people here are for Sony, Micro$oft, or whoever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyr
And I would still be saving money, anyway, because I currently own all three current generation consoles. If Nintendo dropped out and started developing only software, that's one less system I would need.

If you're dropping down the cash for every single platform out there, I don't think money is a big concern for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyr
And really, what does a different controller matter? I didn't know anyone really LIKED the GCN controller. It's my biggest turn off to the entire system. It just feels wierd. I like using the XBox controller for shooters, and the PS2 controller for everything else. (except maybe driving games)

I find GC controller most comfortable, PS2 controller most versatile, XBOX controller....is good for halo.

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Originally Posted by Vampyr
And it is flawed thinking to say that Nintendo develops games for enjoyment rather than for money. Face it, every company is in it for the money. If Nintendo was just doing it for the fun of things, than why aren't their prices lower than everyone elses?

Nintendo takes risks left and right if they feel it would add enjoyment. You can't tell me that Pikmin and cel shading Zelda were results of deciding what is best for profit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyr
And Nintendo claims to be the great innovator of the gaming industry...yet they are clearly the most hard headed and stubborn of them all. How can they claim to be innovators when they won't even give up the idea of online gaming not being mainstream? They are the most unwilling to change, yet somehow get landed with being the "most innovative". If you ask me, Xbox Live is inno

vative. The Eye Toy is innovative. The DS is kind of innovative...but still really gimmicky, and pretty much a rehash of that old two screen game and watch thingy.

Wow. Let's see.

Xbox Live and Eye Toy have both been done on PC for as long ages and ages. It can hardly be considered "innovative". The only thing innovative about Xbox Live was the timing.

Who made Game and Watch? And touch screen and wireless networking and microphone are more than rehashing.

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Originally Posted by Vampyr
But this thread isn't supposed to be about Sony, it's supposed to be about Nintendo and Microsoft coming together, and other than for the sake of tradition, I can't think of a single negative connotation to this idea.

I mentioned Sony because you talked about Nintendo as a third party developer, which would include Sony.

Finally, no negative connotations to the idea of being with Microsoft?

One word: Rare.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Null
you dont want sonys multiplayer, (ala online, bunches of people together) but you want nintendos multiplayer (ala.......well not really much idea of multiplayer at all really) MS is the only 1 of the 3 who got the whole idea right. 4 controllers AND online.

Call me old-fashioned, but when I mention multiplayer, I don't mean online gaming. When I want online gaming, I'll mention online gaming. See, I've played XBox Live and PS2 Online. Just because I only talk about Cube doesn't mean I haven't placed some time into other consoles. XBox Live is great in theory, but then you play it, and it's a bunch of ****in twelve year old kids yelling and doing stupid ****. You can't control it. I don't know these people. Do you? It's like playing with a bunch of bots with poor grammatical skills. The one time I had fun on XBox Live was when I XBox Lived with people I know.

The most fun I've ever had multiplayer (excluding LAN parties, although this tops those in most cases) is 4 players, in the same room, trash talking and fighting and cheering and chest bumps all around. Nintendo owns all three categories when it comes to straight out four player fun. Beach Spikers, Mario Kart, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Sports games (NBA Street Vol 2, Sega Soccer Slam, NHL games, etc), F-Zero, Smash Bros Melee, Super Monkey Ball, and basically every good 4 player game available on all consoles.


You can use makeshift terms like "fanboy" or whatever you want. I've tried other systems... I owned a PSX and my buddies own Xbox and PS2 and I've played a hell of a lot of them... but they aren't the same. Everyone tells me PSX won the console war of the era, but they didn't in my mind. I had the mod chip and burned games... I tried to not be a "fanboy" like I was told I was. But it didn't work. Nintendo for life doesn't mean we'll hate them if they go to another company. I wouldn't boycott them in the least, I just probably wouldn't buy a console by someone else. Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't. Who knows.


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