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Ginkasa

05-13-2004 01:11 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

But I thought I had heard somewhere that they were originally developing another cel-shaded sequel... Were they just rumors? OR WHAT!? I'M SCARED!

More than likely that was a cover-up. Throw us off. This whole unvieling of the new Zelda would not have been as cool if we knew it was oging to be realistic from the beginning.

*shrugs and walks away*

DeathsHand

05-13-2004 01:58 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by Ginkasa

Yeah but I'm saying sequel... Like direct sequel... WW sort of set up for one, and I was all hyped for a true WW2 where they find a new continent and all this and that...

But now I'm all hyped for the realistic Zelda so whatever

...

Blackmane

05-13-2004 03:17 AM

Re: The new Zelda

It would be cool if they had made this a sequel, and as he found a new continent Link slowly changes from his Wind Waker cel-shading to a cool, realistic look.

But yeah, I'm happy with this too.

Canyarion

05-13-2004 05:59 AM

Re: The new Zelda

Change into a realistic look? :unsure: That won't do the atmosphere much good... Just give us an epic, dark adventure from the start. :D

I'd also like to see a sequel to TWW, but this time with more land.
A few boat parts in this new Zelda game would be nice too...

Ehm, how are we going to call this Zelda game?? Zelda: A Surprise at e³? :)

The guy who said that this game looks to much like OoT probably forgot that TWW was basicly a polished, cartoony version of OoT... same sounds, same details...
This game looks so much more revolutionary! Burning arrows that get stuck in a tree and keep burning... :D

EDIT: It's not even their own music :confused:: accompanied by the Conan the Barbarian soundtrack...

The Duggler

05-13-2004 08:57 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

where they find a new continent and all this and that...

Why not just drain the water covering hyrule?

Vampyr

05-13-2004 08:58 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by Blackmane

It would be cool if they had made this a sequel, and as he found a new continent Link slowly changes from his Wind Waker cel-shading to a cool, realistic look.

But yeah, I'm happy with this too.

I think that's a really awesome idea.

+rep

DarkMaster

05-13-2004 09:15 AM

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Just very quickly though, as for the reason why Link has changed, there were very, very, very, very many people out there who wanted Link to change [laughs]. Also there's another reason and that's that in developing the Wind Waker we know that we were going to be creating a game in which Link was a young boy and trying to create a very active and very energetic young boy and trying to choose the right style for portraying the young boy in a game like that we tried many different experiments. The ultimate decision we came to was that the cel-shading in Wind Waker was the best option for expressing that. We also wanted to create a very unique game world on the GameCube.

But since then, we've been left with a very big question: and that was, what are we going to do when we decide to make Link a teenager again -- a 16-year-old Link. So after Wind Waker we tried several different models and made varied versions of them. Ultimately we decided that in showing a teenage Link really the best style of expressing him would be something that's closer to our graphical style in Ocarina of Time. So Mr. Aonuma actually wasn't lying at the Game Developer's Conference when he said we were working on Wind Waker 2. He just didn't tell the whole story. And fortunately because he didn't tell the whole story, we were able to surprise you all here with a big announcement about the series.

There you go, mystery solved.

And here's some more stuff.

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Q: How long has the game been in development, how far along is it, and why isn't it playable at E3 2004?

Aonuma: In terms of playable versions on the show floor, we're still not sure exactly how long it's going to take to complete the game at this point. But the plan is to by E3 next year have a version that you will be able to play to your heart's content. And in terms of how far along the game is, as I mentioned everything you saw in the movie yesterday is from a version that's running real-time playable on the engine. At this point we've got the engine running and everything's working and it's a matter of plugging in and putting in the finishing pieces.

Q: In the trailer that we saw yesterday, a lot of areas looked very familiar to Ocarina of Time. We saw a castle and Link rode Epona. He might have been in the Lost Woods. Is Link going back to Hyrule and is this now the true sequel to Ocarina of Time?

Eiji Aonuma: How do you know that horse was Epona [smiles]? Unfortunately I cannot reveal all of that at this point in time. Please wait a little while longer.

Q: The graphics in the game are beautiful. Will the game feature high production values throughout? To be more specific, will we see detailed cinematics, major story developments and will characters speak with acted voices?

Shigeru Miyamoto: I actually don't want Link to talk very much. Maybe I'll record my own voice for when he talks, or maybe you can record your own voice [laughs].

Dark Samurai

05-13-2004 09:22 AM

Re: The new Zelda

Alright, Im glad that they stuck with the 'teenaged' version of Link

The Duggler

05-13-2004 10:09 AM

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I actually don't want Link to talk very much.

Good stuff. Voice acting wouldn't be a good thing.

Null	05-13-2004 10:18 AM

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if done right it is a good thing. but link himself wouldnt and shouldnt talk, wouldnt be much of a role playing game in that respect if he talked for you.

Dark Samurai

05-13-2004 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Null

if done right it is a good thing. but link himself wouldnt and shouldnt talk, wouldnt be much of a role playing game in that respect if he talked for you.

They should have everyone else talk, but Link and Zelda.

Just like an RPG kinda thing

DimHalo

05-13-2004 10:25 AM

Re: The new Zelda

i am really starting to get excited about this. but yes, link should definately Not talk... personally, i would just feel it wasn't Zelda that i have so many memories playing

The Duggler

05-13-2004 10:42 AM

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Yhea, Link's voice is all made up in my head already :)

It wouldn't be the same if they gave him so other voice :)

Dark Samurai

05-13-2004 11:06 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by Nitram

Yhea, Link's voice is all made up in my head already :)

It wouldn't be the same if they gave him so other voice :)

I think that they should let him talk, but just for you to read, no voice narration for him. Just let him talk, not just scream

The Duggler

05-13-2004 11:09 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by Dark Samurai

I think that they should let him talk, but just for you to read, no voice narration for him. Just let him talk, not just scream

Yhea I agree. That would be cool too.

Null	05-13-2004 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Samurai

I think that they should let him talk, but just for you to read, no voice narration for him. Just let him talk, not just scream

no. link doesnt talk. he just has ...
you cant just turn him into the chatty type.

Dark Samurai

05-13-2004 11:15 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by Null

no. link doesnt talk. he just has ...
you cant just turn him into the chatty type.

Well just let him say things that you would like to ask other people like, "whats this?" and "what the...!!!" and "what are you doing here?!"

Just the little thing that you, yourself might point out, in your mind or out loud.

The Germanator

05-13-2004 11:32 AM

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I agree with Null on this one. Link never said anything except "..." and made funny grunts when he gets hurt and such. He should keep to that.

The Duggler

05-13-2004 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Germanator

I agree with Null on this one. Link never said anything except "..." and made funny grunts when he gets hurt and such. He should keep to that.

But he does talk. It`s not like he's mute. They just leave what he says to your imagination, wich is good, but I wouldn`t mind adding some text.

The Germanator

05-13-2004 12:32 PM

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But you just said that you liked it that they left it to your imagination...I just think if you've established the fact that Link has never literally had words put into his mouth during a game, you shouldn't start now.

The Duggler

05-13-2004 12:48 PM

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I was talking more about the tone of his voice, but whatever, i love both ideas, just no voice acting, and it will be fine.

TheGame

05-13-2004 01:05 PM

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The problem with voice acting is that the people in the game that talk to you won't be able to use your name. I name my link "Justin"... if there was Voice acting nobody else in the game would be able to say my name.

DeathsHand

05-13-2004 01:27 PM

Re: The new Zelda

They did voice acting in GTA3 for everybody else but the main character, and that worked out fine...

I think at least the other characters in the game should talk... just as long as they get decent voice actors... Or maybe do a FFX kind of thing where the main characters talk (minus Link), but a lot of the common townsfolk and stuff still use text...

TheGame

05-13-2004 01:36 PM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

They did voice acting in GTA3 for everybody else but the main character, and that worked out fine...

Yep, but the main character didn't have a name... you couldn't even name him youself.

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I think at least the other characters in the game should talk... just as long as they get decent voice actors... Or maybe do a FFX kind of thing where the main characters talk (minus Link), but a lot of the common townsfolk and stuff still use text...

That would work to an extent, but remember, Tidus in FFXI could talk too, and if it wasn't for him talking many parts of the game would have had to be much different.

-EDIT-

Oh, and Link runs alone... he doesn't have 5 other people with him talking all the time :p

DeathsHand

05-13-2004 01:57 PM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by TheGame

Yep, but the main character didn't have a name... you couldn't even name him youself.

That would work to an extent, but remember, Tidus in FFXI could talk too, and if it wasn't for him talking many parts of the game would have had to be much different.

-EDIT-

Oh, and Link runs alone... he doesn't have 5 other people with him talking all the time :p

Yeah, but I don't see how having a name for the mute character would make a difference...

And yes, Tidus talked, but Link doesn't have to... Zelda, Ganon, any other main characters (like there was Ruto and the other sages and such in OoT, and a few more important characters in various towns) still can... While town folk that say stuff like "OOOO LOOK AT THAT CYOOTE HAT U R WEARING!!" can just come up in text... Unless they feel like getting some random lady who is a decent voice-actor to say that line...

And I don't see how Link being the lone fighter makes a difference either...

Dark Samurai

05-13-2004 02:20 PM

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Maybe they should make it so that they interupt Link just as he's about to speak

Ex. NPC 1: " What do you make out of this situation, Link?"
Link: "eh..." *interupted*
NPC 2: " Link? There's someone here to see you"

See how that works out? Here's another example

Ex. NPC 1: "Link, are you sure that you can handle the hordes that are coming?"
Link: " uh.... " *interupted again*
NPC 2: "Don't worry Link we are here to fight with you!"

It all works out, but they shouldnt have him try to talk all the time, just in some intantces (sp?) when he's just about to talk.

DimHalo

05-13-2004 02:35 PM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

Yeah, but I don't see how having a name for the mute character would make a difference...

Because the other characters in the game are always saying his name, and it will be difficult to get the voice actors to say each name that people can come up with. You would have to have it to where you couldn't name the character yourself. Personally, I really don't like that thought... My character has been Alex since I was 5 years old and I am not about to change that.

DeathsHand

05-13-2004 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepnut's slave

Because the other characters in the game are always saying his name, and it will be difficult to get the voice actors to say each name that people can come up with.

..... D'OH!!

Hey hey I know, just use that program macs use to speak text...

So it'll be like

Voice actor: "Please, you must save us"Computer:"...Alex..."

I have an idea! How about the whole game just sticks to text :sneaky:

Crono

05-13-2004 02:50 PM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

I have an idea! How about the whole game just sticks to text :sneaky:

I like that idea, too. :)

TheGame

05-13-2004 03:41 PM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by Dark Samurai

Ex. NPC 1: " What do you make out of this situation, Link?"
Link: "eh..." *interupted*
NPC 2: " Link? There's someone here to see you"

Too bad his name isn't Link, otherwise it would work ;)

And Jeepnut's slave has the right idea... that's pretty much what I was trying to say :)

Ginkasa

05-13-2004 05:23 PM

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Voice acting or not, Link should NOT have his speach EVER represented by text or voice. Never.

I wouldn't everybody else with voice acting though. They don't necessarily HAVE to say his name. Never once in FFX (or X-2) did anyone say "Tidus," but it still worked.

They could do the same thing.

Or everybody who doesn't like "Link" could suck it up and live with it.

*shrugs and walks away*

DeathsHand

05-13-2004 05:30 PM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by Ginkasa

I wouldn't everybody else with voice acting though. They don't necessarily HAVE to say his name. Never once in FFX (or X-2) did anyone say "Tidus," but it still worked.

Hey wait, you're right... I forgot that they never said Tidus because you COULD still rename him in FFX... You just couldn't name any of the other characters, and anytime his name was mentioned it was in text where it could just type out whatever the player put in...

SO IT COULD WORK LIKE THAT FOR ZELDA IT COULD WORK!

thatmariolover

05-13-2004 05:32 PM

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They did the exact same thing in Neverwinter Nights. While I don't want Link to speak, the NPC's could easily be given voice actors. It's not hard to write dialogue that conforms to that style.

GameMaster

05-13-2004 06:21 PM

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I don't want any voices. I want the dialogue and voices to be just like that in Wind Waker.

GameKinG

05-13-2004 10:03 PM

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Miyamoto doesnt want link to have a voice. But he didnt mention no voices at all.

A lot of game do no voice for the main character only. Jade Empire, GTA, KOTOR, etc.

Jason1

05-13-2004 11:43 PM

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Im thinking link should talk in jibberish like in Rayman 2.

Blackmane

05-14-2004 12:08 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by Jason1

Im thinking link should talk in jibberish like in Rayman 2.

But that is kind of a humorous thing, and it wouldn't really fit into the Zelda feel. Maybe if he got caught in limbo somewhere with little purple people, and all of his grunts were jibberish instead...

Canyarion

05-14-2004 06:43 AM

Re: The new Zelda

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

I don't want any voices. I want the dialogue and voices to be just like that in Wind Waker.

yeah, where you can't press B to make the screen go away or faster. :mad:

Ginkasa

05-14-2004 10:19 PM

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It seems that the trailer shown at E3 was a shortened version of a previous trailer that, obviously, wasn't shown at E3.

IGN, however, was given to chance to watch and did. They weren't allowed to bring cameras or anything, so there's no video or audio, but they did write a detailed report on it. There's no new information that we didn't already know about that can be taken from IGN's article, but it is interesting none the less. I expect we probably shouldn't have to wait too long until Nintendo releases the whole to the public. I think no more than a couple of months....

Anyway...

Link: The Legend of Zelda Extended Trailer

*shrugs and walks away*

Dark Samurai

05-14-2004 10:58 PM

Re: The new Zelda

Somethings up with there coding, lol

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