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lol. you um...lol. just lol.

payroll doesnt win it. and avs i predict will have a deep offence but a lower defence, and i kinda can see thier goalie chocking in the playoffs if he has a bad game.

but possible.

lightning are by far not the most skilled team, theres a couple in the east i'd consider more skillful, and a couple in the west. But what they have going for them is they worked DAMN hard to get there and some great goaltending.


neither would be in my immediat prediction of finals tho. i see a philly leaf finals in east.

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Why is it that i am the only person here who sees a chance....albeit a small one for the Canucks?

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Any team has a chance. make no mistake of that.

But no bertuzzi in playoffs really hurts them.

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You're the only one hoping for them to win, so nobody really has much to say about them since we're all fans of other teams and we like to say that our teams will win. That's all really..

Go Flyers!

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Well, I'm back from a month in mexico. I was in my hotel room watching some CNN when a little caption on the bertuzzi thing buzzed across the screen. I didn't really know what happened and i didn't have access to competent internet services.

So ya, i've been in the dark all this time. From what I heard Moore wouldn't fight so Bert skated after him and punched him in the head and stuff. I also heard that bert fell on him after..so which one broke the guys neck.

I agree Bert should be out for the year. I **** hockey and it stuff and the canucks are my fav......but I still think he should be gone for a bit.

I hate how this is going to affect bert throughout the league though. There's just as cheap shots thrown atleast once a week but he was unlucky enough to break the dude's neck. I mean, the league doesn't want this thing happening so they set the instigator rule but then don't enforce it? It's a bitch.

I'll have to download a video clip of it before i can really comment on the actuall incident and stuff...but it seems kind of ironic. A hit that could easily have been just as or much worse was ignored by the league COMPLETELY and then they jump all over this. Bert isn't some crazy dirty player. He has a temper and he's a big guy, but the get's more rap then he deserves. If he was in any other city like Detroit or Toronto people wouldn't be so harsh on him. It's a pitty to see him being booed in many of hte other arenas just because he's such a dominate force on the ice(although this year has been the ****).

Well, I can't say bert will be missed much in the playoffs. Sure, he could easily be the deciding factor in the games but he hasn't pulled his weight at all this year. He doesn't have the same fire and intensity that he had before this season. It'll be a chance for other guys on the nucks to step up and fill his role.

I feel sorry for Moore as well. Damn, you make a mistake by hitting the league's best player and bam, your neck's broke.

aight...this is kind of depressing.


and **** Gary Bettman.

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Hoorah. Bouncer has returned.

I'd like to see all the canadian teams make the playoffs this year. Looks like it could happen too.

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Only in a perfect world.............

GO CANUCKS!!!

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Welcome back, hope you had a good time.

whether he fell or purposly went ontop is up in the air. i kinda feel NHL players would be able to keep themselves up at that point.

Acually i feel if he was in one of thoes cities and did that thier home fans woulda jumped over him as well. but i feel same punishment woulda implied.

He is boo'd because he is a dominate player, thats part of hockey tho. But that is NOT the only reason. He's booed much of the time becaue he's a cocky arrogent ass. And you better believe the next time Canucks meet the Wild in a playoff game, minnasota is going to remember thoes cocky words he told them last year.

he's going to be missed in the playoffs. thats the time when you need all your players, and expecially your top ones, and its a time when players like bertuzzi really step up tho.
But yes, it is going to be a chance for other guys to step up and work thier tails off to cover for him. and thats going to serve them all very well.

this is the only thing you said that really bothers me.... Moore made no mistake, Moore did his job, There was nothing wrong with it. And to think he got his neck broke because he didnt want a confrontation is quite sad really. (and on a joking side, best player wasnt even in that game cuz he wasnt on thoes 2 teams :D ;) :p )

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I do not think Moore should have hit Naslund, just because of a respect factor... But it was not a dirty hit.

And if Bertuzzi was on the Leafs, he probably would have gotten a longer suspension (just look at Aki Berg compared to Messier and Turco).

And bouncer, don't be mad at Betman... He is not the man who hands out suspensions...

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What do you mean moore made no mistake? He tried to injure the leagues best player at the time( Naslund) watch the video again, he sticks out his elbow to hit him in the nose! And moore thought that fighting Cooke would even everything out....So he injures The Canucks best player for a week and a half, then Gets into a fight with the Smallest player on our team......I can see why thats fair. And no, i dont blame Betuzzi for what he did. He was pissed off at Moore for giving his Best friend a concussion, and he was frusterated because at the time we were behind Colorado(in points) by about 2 or 3 and it was an important game, and we were losing 9-2. I would be a little frusterated, and who better to take that anger out on Moore? He PROBABLY didnt mean to do the extent of this though. The thing that pisses me off the most is that Berts my 2nd Fav. player( next to Linden) and the media was making him sound like a monster, like he didnt care what he did or something.

(please not because of my A**holeishness, im not saying anyone else is wrong,.....just that in less wronger. I have enough people on Gametavern who think im a big retad already anyways)

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I don't think the media was making him out to be a monster.... But what he did was pretty damn vicious.

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The Vancouver media was...for the following week every channel always had something about Betuzzi, and they just kept showing when he hit Moore, and when Bertuzzi and Blake bot fell on Moores head. They didnt say anything about how he was sorry.

(Canucks play Dallas tonight for home-ice advantage in the playoffs....Im takin bets on the score....Van 4 Dallas 2....)

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Exactly. I don't care what the hell the context was, and what Moore did to Naslund, etc. Bertuzzi punched the guy in the back of head and broke his neck. I repeat, broke his neck. Yes, he didn't mean to hurt him that bad (but he did mean to hurt him) and violence is a part of hockey, but this was a serious offense. He was only a "monster" because well, he commited a monstrous act of seriously injuring someone and possibly ending their career. That isn't excusable, not one bit.

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The punch wasnt enough to break his neck, the punch knocked him out. The fallin on his head broke his neck. Cuz u got Blake and Betr falling on ur neck....thats 400lbs

(im not trying to piss ppl off with this, im just canadian and happen to love hockey more than anything else....especially the canucks)

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Well, I know that...I said he punched him and broke his neck, I suppose I wasn't specific enough. I don't care how he did it anyway, he broke his neck...

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So because you love hockey, especially the canucks, you are blind to see that what Bertuzzi did was disgustingly wrong?

And remember, Bertuzzi fell ontop of Moore because he was holding onto Moore's jersey. He could have let go and remained standing, but then he had to go and put his other hand on Moore's shoulder too. That made it look even more intentional...

I don't know where I am going with this, but I just hate blind fans like yourself. Just admit that what Bertuzzi did was horrible, because that is the truth.

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If u read the posts at the bottom, i dont satnt by what he did, i do think it was shameful and disgusting, but i understand that he didnt mean to do what he did. i wasnt sayin the the means was justified by the mode, im just saying that it got blown way out of perportion. it wa bad, dont put it on CNN and stuff like that. Messier speared a guy in the balls last week and got 3 games....that sounds like intent to injure to me.
And im not standing by why he did it or what he did.

(download the video again, and yes he could have let go, but Moore still would hae fell om his face, and Bertuzzi and Blake still would have landed on his head)

And look, i dont want to get hated so lets stop the talk about bertuzzi, and start the talk back on Hockey.

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Talking about Bertuzzi is still talking about hockey. Messier got two games, not three... But he should have gotten at least 4. But, are you really gonna sit a legend out who will probably be retiring after this season?

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I dont think it should matter who the player is, but on what he does. If Gtezky came back, and did what Bertuzzi did, do you think he would get the same suspension? What about Lemieux, Yzerman. The only good "Hall of famer" (i use that term lightly) that woul have got the same number of game as Bertuzzi is probably Lindros

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And why not?That is a hypothetical question.Lemieux Yzerman ? I haven't heard enough about Lemieux Yzerman to have an opinion.There might be others.

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I think that this arguing about "well, I bet if *insert player here* did it they wouldn't have suspended him for as long" is silly. Look, you don't know how long they would suspend Lemieux or Gretzky if they did the same thing, so there is no point in questioning it.

P.S: Flyers have lost two games in a row to the NY teams...damn it...

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and from a while above there.... Moore did not try to injure anyone. that was a clean hit, he had no way of knowing Naslund would bend down right as he hit.

And no he shouldnt of not tried. that hockey, you dont just let someone go buy because he's better then you. you work hard. accidents happen. Burtuzzi didnt mean to injure anyone either.

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To get off of the Bertuzzi thing. The Canucks play in less than an hour(they play at 7:00 PT) im takin bets on the score....theres no prizes, but it passes the time.

Van- 4
Dal-2

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5 - 3 dallas

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HAHAHAHAHA..............again the Canucks win in overtime.

(for you that dont know)

(and im gonna stop posting cuz my reps at -33....LOL, i take it im too much of an opionated asshole then, well i can learn, i can learn, but then, how do i get people to like me if they just give me the onceover saying"hes a noob and an ass"?)

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Your rep is allready at -33? Haha.. That is funny.

Anyways... I really cannot wait for the playoffs... I can feel it coming allready...

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Yeah, we're getting there, just three games left for the Fly guys who get four days off... That's good because of all of our injuries.

I really don't want to play the Devils in the first round though. That would not be cool. :(

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Yeah, their defence is crazay.

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Yeah...the Devils are good, but most of there players are going to retire soo, so they need to make trades for younger players and goalies.


<-------------HaHaHa.......Dung Beetle

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They do have Gomez and Elias at the top of my head... But they have had an awesome last 6 or 7 seasons... All teams have to rebuild sometime.

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it depends on how they rebuild. Its very possible to incert new talent as some old leaves. as long as you keep the process going an not all the older guys leave at once.

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I think they should trade Brodeur and Neidermeyer away for younger talent. But it wont make a difference for next year, because with the CBA coming up theres not going to be hockey. Unless all the good players "defect" to the WHL...(or WHA, i cant remember which one is starting back up...)

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They won't trade brodeur. No chance in hell.

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Im not saying they will, just that they should. This could be his last year, with no season next year and all. im just sayin they should have done something for a goalie.

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That shouldn't have any weight. If that's the case, then since Naslund was the leading scorer Moore should have hella let up on that hit. He didn't though, he leaned into it. Bertuzzi pulled some dumb **** out there. I'm incredibly biased with this topic but I can't stand how just as vicious attacks around the league are ignored in comparison just because the extent of the damage is less.

Hey, Jason King scored again. I wish the guy kept his early season pace. He was the leading goal scorer for a while and then went dry. He might be a playoff guy. *hopes*

If Moore's job is to be the tough guy and check hard then he should live up to it and be willing to take the recourse for his hit(s). Realistically the NHL is a league that has laws. There is always a reaction to an action. It's sad that Moore had his neck broke unintentionally but he should have had the guts to atleast standup for his hit and duke it with someone who would have provided a fair fight. Anyone of the Canucks players who were willing to fight him would have got the instigator anyway.

edit: ack oilers lose to st louis

oilers have 3 games left and the blues have 4.

I hope they make the playoffs. First time in how long that all 6 have made it. Ever happened before?

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doesnt matter if he was being a tough guy or not, checks are checks. all players check, and its part of the game.
Fighting arguably is not, there is no rule that states you have to fight. his job is to play hockey, he did. with a clean hit that something no one could have expected happend. but he did nothing wrong. now because he didnt want to fight he may never play again.
Come on

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RARRR

I know you're pretty much right but I need something to try and justify it.

Bullocks. The only way this season will end in a good way for me is if we get the division title.....and don't get knocked out the first round.

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Oh we will get the Devision title, we will, ill hold you all up to that. I say we (vancouver) will be ahead of Colorado by 1 point.

-------------Canucks All The Way!------------------------

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They should throw out the instigator rule... I mean, going back to the Naslund incident, somebody would have just fought Moore, and the situation would have been over.

I mean, just look at when McSorely checked Gilmour a bit too hard in the playoffs in 93... Then Wendel beat the crap out of McSorely... And that was the end of it...

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I dont know why they wouldnt take that rule out, And i dont know why they(NHL) put it into play in the first place, because i think that there would be ALOT less major injuries, maybe some more minor ones, such as a broken hand due to a fight or something like that if there was no instagator penalty. Let the players police themselves, its their job.
- Another thing i dont get; The diving penalty. When they call the diving penalty they also call the hook, or slash. But if the initial penalty was a dive, then the player didnt hook him as badly now did he?