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all four of them FPSs too... and like I said before, there are very few exceptions to the PC "ugly" look of games. For example, what is PC's belt looking sports game? Or best looking adventure game, or even best looking RPG? Best looking Fighting game? Best looking Racing game?

Not to mention PC games have an overall lower quality of development involved, thus the reason so many of them have a ton of bugs when they are first released. The variety is worse, the price is higher, and the game quality is lower than console games.... to me it's no contest.

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LoL. leave it to game to always dig up old aruments after they're done and moved on. ;)

as for the examples and why they're FPS's, this argument isnt worth going around and digging up pictures to waste my time. sorry. im only talking about the examples i've known and seen. Sports games however, everyone of them i seen so far looks better on PC. at least the EA ones. they're all made basically the same so they all have the same general look. PC's are much sharper and clearer tho, like Madden, and NHL games are the ones i've seen.
Adventure games i dont really play, so dont really know. i did however play both versions of Beyond good and Evil, which looked much clearer on PC. And I dont play RPG's or Fighting games unless i can play em online, As for racing all i will play is GT series. Yes, you do get more variaty on Console, which is why i have a console. But its not something i need cuz my fav games are the online ones. And we were talking about graphics, not variaty and other stuff, but ok, we can still go with it as you try and change the subject, hehe :)

PC game prices are lower, better check yourself on that. the 'default' if you will price of PC games is 39, while 'majority' of consoles are still 49. altho that is changing, but even so. next month Unreal Tournament 2004 comes out. for the CD version, 19.99 for PC. brand new. (DVD SE version is 39) but its the same game.

And there are more bugs when pc games come out. SOMETIMES. often they'll release beta versions for that reason. but whats better about that is they constantly get fixed. once a Console game come out and has a bug. right now its stuck with it. IMO, id rather get the many updates to imprive the game as well as its life. and from what i've seen Consoles get just as many bugs as PC games. PC's dont ship with tons of bugs, they usually iron that out in the beta's and demo versions before it comes out.

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You damn right, but it's just so fun ;)

Understandable

I have played Madden on PC, and am going off of screenshots of other EA games... from what I have seen the games looks far behind the console versions. The only reason they seem to look even comparible is the fact that a computer monitor is the clearest picture you are gonna get next to those new Plasma TVs or a Tube HDTV.

Well, game quality and graphics go and in hand... but if you prefer to stick to graphics we can. Just ignore most of my post next time :p

I'm not refering to only the game price, I'm refering to the overall price and accessability. (excluding the monitor and in some cases the PC) Overall, even if you are an owner of a decent PC. How much are you gonna spend to get a Copy of Halo that looks better and runs smoother than the Xbox version (even when linked to the same TV)? Is the $100 card really gonna do it flawlessly?

Can the PC version of GTA ever look at good as the Xbox version? You could patch that one up to death and I couldn't see it matching up to Xbox's version in terms of graphics (as for game quality, like you said, that's a whole different issue :p)

I think allowing for patches encourages developers to release the game without it being fully tested. In morrowind's case, the developers just didn't give a damn about the glitches and left them all in as ways to cheat.

But anyway, this is why I said we should make a sepertate topic... it would just be me and you, but eh :p

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thats the thing you gotta understand about PC games. there is no set graphics for how things look. but i downloaded the demo of madden and its part the monitor that makes it clearer, then part resolution. also the settings factor. i had everything turned up. and then theres extra options outside the game. like your graphics card AA, to be turned on and all that. I dont go by screenshots, because almost every game i play looks far better on the screen then it does a screenshot.

yes at first. but my more expensive PC is going to last a whole lot longer and be able to play new games years year longer then any console will.

And man. ya shouldnt get into the halo topic. you'd have to pay me to play that piece of trash now. thats 100% a console game. PC player hate it. so even tho it does look better. i woudlnt pay a dime.

graphics themselves in that game i already do believe are better on PC. i find they're still clearer and smoother.

difference is however the Xbox version was made after the PC version and they added the new things and new details. so ya all in all that game looks better on Xbox. But then again thats like taking and old game on PC and updating it and remaking it on xbox and saying how the xbox has better graphics. not best example when talking about that sort of thing yanno what im saying? should keep it to games that came out at same time.


Most console fans do think of it like that. its actually not the case, expecially with the big name games that the developers let the actuall people test heavily before relasing it.

dunno the game. but cheating there will never be a stop to. at least not in the near future. console online games are starting to find that out too. expecially when consoles get into the hard drives. there will be even more cheating. and im betting there will be a period or console generation where cheating is much more heavily on consoles then PC untill the consoles start catching up with the cheap protection idea's
when did you say that? thought someone else did :p

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said it yesterday :D

You could say the same thing about console games... that's why there are always high res videos out there. Unless you feel the videos make the game look worse too.

So a PC that could run the best looking PC game in 2000 at it's highest level is running any and every PC game out today in it's full glory? Or is the value being held back to what a High end game was in 2000? (which isn't bad, but is still held back :p)

I dunno, I always considerd within 6 months to be around the same time... unless they were developing up to the very last second on the Xbox version and serverely slacking off on the PC version. I can't go by my own experience here, but people over at GameFaqs say that when you play GTA:DP on a high resolution screen, everything about it looks better than the PC version. I think it supports 480p, but I'm not sure.

It's not cheating when it's glitch exploiting ;)

When someone plays a game a way that the developers didn't intend them to, it's considerd "cheap strategy" :D

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see, you already are off on what im talking about. its something that unless your a very pc gamer, is a very differnt idea. its nothing like consoles in that reguard.


not too far off actually.


pc version was more of a direct port, the graphical inhancments mostly came from just the more power of the pc, and it was in development much longer before 6months. they didnt really change anything untill the xbox version. and 6 months is quite a long time to add things in.

But thats a born Console game anyway. and an ugly one all around. the fun is what that ones all about never was about graphics.
from what i've read. might have changed. GTA4 will be more directly made for PC in its version.


i cant read your mind. you said chating. not exploiting.
And Console games have that too, problem is, with it on console your screwed. it cant have anything done to it really and player will just have to deal with it for the most part.

PC could very well have a 1 second download patch, or in some cases the game downloads it on its own and you dont even know untill you see the problem is gone.
i greatly prefer that. And many of the times while they're adding patches to fix bugs. they may thro in an entirly new feature. :)


and damnit man. im going on vaction next week. hurry up and end this. :D or else um we'll make a thread and i'll lock it till i get back. :lol: :p

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I'm off what you are talking about? I was repling to the reason why you don't go off of screenshots by saying the same could be said for console games. In other words, screenshots can downgrade the quality of picture you are going to get in the acctual game. It could just be bad capturing, or it could be the screenshot isn't representing what you will acctually get depending on your TV or the wires that you may use to connect to your TV.

So set graphics or not, you can question the quality of a screenshot. Clear that up?

We can see about that then.... and 6 months is enough time to add more things, but that didn't seem to have as big of an effect on other games released within 6 months of each-other. This is where the problem of comparing graphics comes in, we could always use the excuse that the game makers were slacking off on the version of the game we are trynig to defend.

Then, on top of that PC only realy has one genre that has great graphics, and it happens to be one of the most held back genres in the console industry. It's sad when the top three console FPSs consist of two games from last generation and one game that was rushed to be released at launch time.

And when a game is "close" to even you will always base it off of how "clear" the game is... I don't want to go into the monitor discussion again, and how clear a game looks doesn't mean it has better graphics. It reminds me of NFL 2k1 vs Madden 2001... andbody basing the comparision off of screens or how clear the game is and how well textured it is would say NFL 2k1 looked better, but when you play both Madden looked much closer to reality.

I have come to the conclusion that this topic has become pointless... once again I hand you the last word, and you can go on your vacation in peace :p

(as for the rest of your post, while not as widely used, Xbox is capible of downloading new content into games too)

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oh screw it. lol. you plan works. you wait so damn long to reply each time that the heat of a nice argument is gone and i forget what the hell the point of all this was. (too damn lazy to read back :p )


but as for your last sencence that i can easy see while typing this :D thats why i said consoles dont YET, because they're starting too. and they'll get there eventually. as they turn more and more into computers. :D :p

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Hehe, I LOVE this game. Just great.
I finished the 4th and 5th vision.

My axe, light armor, acrobacy, short blade are on lvl 100. I'm training my hand-to-hand, long blade, medium armor, heavy armor and some more things now. I'm lvl 46 or something. :D

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Lol, good old acrobrat skills. You can jump so high. I just started playing this game again with the Tribunal expansion. I'm a Nord fighter. I've almost got a full suit of ebony heavy armor, booya! It costs so much to have made.

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Ehm... can you like get things MADE? :eek: How? Like you buy some raw ebony, go to some guy and he makes an armor piece of it??

I met Vivec BTW. Strange guy. :sneaky:

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Nah... I don't think so at least. The Ebony is used for certain missions, that's all. I became the leader of the Theives guild, and was flying up the ranks in House Hlaalu when I stopped. Never got to the real missions because of confusion in the first one.

I named my FFXI guy after him, a lot of Morrowind fans praise me for it. :p

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with the tribunal expansion, you can get to mournhold, capital of morrowind. there is an armor smith there that can make armors for you. he makes ebony, glass, adamantium or something like that...and i think thats it...i cant remember

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Yeah, sorry to excite you :). Like happydude said, it's in the Tribunal expansion.

But anyway, it's more like: go into a mine, slaughter the people inside take all the ebony and pay the armorsmith to make it for you. :D

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Hm sounds nice....

I've heard that the Bloodmoon expansion is much better?

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Yeah, haven't played the Bloodmoon expansion yet. I think I'm content with tribunal for now.

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i started bloodmoon...its freakin confusing...so i stopped playnig it for now :p...maybe ill continue in the future...im not getting rid of it anytime soon

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What are your favorite item enchantments you've done? I had made a ring of constant levitation when I used to play. That was probably my favorite.

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i want to make something with constant levi...but the seed of it would be too slow because it takes up so much points.

i also wanted to make Fortify attribute constant effect something...but those take up alot too...so i didnt do anything *shrug*

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I have a whole armor set of enchanted things... these are all the abilities I know of (all constant effect):

-Water Walking
-Bound Longsword
-Bound Longbow
-Bound Boots
-Bound Cuirass
-Bound Helm
-Water Breathing
-%10 Night eye (or somthing like that... forget the name, makes the game brighter)

I have other enhancements too... I have a robe that I wear over my body than enhances more battle related stats. I can't name them all because I haven't played in about a month.

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I made a ring (the exquisite items are the best) with fortify strength 24 points.

Make sure you find/buy the exquisite rings/robes/...
Some Daedric weapons also enable for a lot of enchantment points. :) good luck.