I want to say something else on a different subject, sorry for the double post.

Anyone who hasnt read "Children of the Mind" by Orson Scott Card should do so. Its the fourth book in a Quartet, so you may want to read the first three first, Enders Game, Speaker for the Dead, and Xenocide. But Children of the Mind has such a great explanation of our unverse and how things work. Its fiction, but its so interesting. And for all you athiest out there, the main character, Ender, is athiest. And its strange, I preach about how much better Christianity is, but Ender is like my idol.

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May God have mercy on your sinful soul :distress:

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Ever hear of the Church of England or the Anglican Communion? the Episcopal Church is the branch of the Anglican Communion that functions in America... you could also look at as the church of England in America.

Bond, I'll write my story when I have a change, but I have an article about Sally Ride speaking at my school next week for the school paper do tonight and a paper due tommorrow.

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I am an agnostic as well. I just don't think that we will ever know if there truly is some sort of God. I will also never put my faith into something that is over 2000 years old. On top of that... I used to be Christian but I never went to Church... so even if I did have a Religion... I would probably be too lazy to do anything.

I dont go to church either. Its not required. And you dont have to do a lot of work to be a christain, actually, you dont have to do any work. If you have faith and get saved, than you go to heaven. You dont even have to go to church to be saved, you ask Jesus to save you.

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Still... I have a hard time believing there is actually a God. So I'm not going to bother with any type of Religion.

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Is this to blame on God or you? I find your lack of faith disturbing.

According to your logic, if I don't believe in eating, I should just not bother? :wtf:

I think you need to revaluate your statement there.

I would still read about it and such. You might change your mind, religons are very interesting.

And gamemaster, you took him way to literally.

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Hah... what is to blame? Me I suppose. But what's supposed to mean? I'm at fault for not believing in anything?

And let's say if someone didn't believing in eating (which is ridiculous), then they will just starve to death. That's common sense (you used a stupid example but oh well).

And I'm not a person who has faith... it's just who I am. Nothing has proved the existence of a God.

Basically what I'm saying is that things have been blown out of proportion over the past 2000 years, I don't want to take religion too seriosuly because the stories are distorted like I said. I'm not saying some of the events in the Bible didn't happen, just that they were exaggerated. Sure, maybe Jesus did help the sick, but that doesn't mean they were actually healed by him in a matter of seconds. And sure, maybe the water was seperated when Moses and Jews crossed the sea (actually there is scientific proof that is can happen, thanks to volcano near southern Greece, which has the capacity to make some of the most devastating erruptions in the world), but it doesn't mean God seperated the water for them. See what I'm saying? I don't have faith, and nothing in the religions is credible, therefore, there is no reason for me to follow Christianity.

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Nothing is credible though. There is nothing in this world which we can or can't prove real.

So according to your logic again, I should just not follow or do anything, because nothing is for certain.

Nothing can. Its all about believing the impossible.

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Ok, like Vampyr said you are taking me way too literally. We're talking Religion here (which has no value to me), not things in everyday life (which has value). If my views offend you for some reason then I'm sorry, but nothing, or no one, can force me to believe in something like Religion.

I don't completely deny the existence of a God, I am just saying that there is no reason for me to believe in one.

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How can you place value on things of which you don't even know are for sure real or not?! :wtf:

Im pretty sure crono doesnt believe he is living in a dream world where worldy goods do not exist and that they are only figments of his imagination.

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I'll put it into easier words:

Religion means nothing to me. What do I gain from being Religous? Nothing. Or is the satisfaction and the "goodness" of Christianity? (as an example). No, I don't care about Religion. That's the simplest way I can put it. I don't care about a lot things, and Religion just happens to be in that category.

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AMEN to that
im not religous ethier. why you ask religion is to good to be true. that or to scary to be true. one being looking over the world judging everybody.
sounds alot like bs. or you can look into more maybe god is our parents (just grouped together as one) looking over us making sure were ok... but they dont judge us in the end
or maybe there were no laws and the only way to keep people in line was to make them belief in somthing and now we have a lot of religons saying the same thing(be good and u wont die well atleast not completly) and all disagreing thats why religion is bad in the sence that it based on good beliefs and whole some acts unless you suck then well kill you. all in all its better to be good that way your bound to "get into heaven" or just die and not care.... thats why science is good i bevief in science its there and ill just lead a good life that way maybe god will have mercy on my soul or atleast just let me die in peace

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I could say the same thing to those who do believe in God.

When it comes to religion, there are those who believe and those who don't. Since we have no way of proving either correct, we would have to assume they are both wrong, right?

Unless you can prove that Crono's way of thinking is incorrect, maybe you should rethink your statements.

BTW, no offence to you GM, this is just religion talk after all.

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Why limit yourself to religion? What do you gain from investing interest in anything which cannot be proven real or not real? You have a lot of conflicting statements and beliefs on your hands.

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Church is not what saves you I agree. However, it is a place to gather with those who share your faith and to worship as a group. It can be a beautiful thing and it is something you can't get anywhere else. Church does serve a purpose, especially in the Catholic faith.

As far as Christianity being easy, that's your view. I believe Christianity is extremely hard. Why believe in Christ if you don't follow his teachings? According to my faith, faith alone is not what saves you. This is probably our differing point. This in my opinion leads to the prevailing thought that Christians think they are better than everyone else simply because they have faith in God. There are many that have "faith", but do nothing about it. Once again, why would Christ give us all the teachings if faith was all it took?

*This didn't turn out as well as I hoped. My mind is sucking right now. Feel free to criticize and I will refine my point.*

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You just don't give up. As a start, why don't you give me other examples, things that cannot be proven. Maybe then I can explain my views more.

I WAS a Christian until about grade 5 or so... until I released all the time I spent and everything I did meant nothing to my life. It may mean something to you, and it may mean something to society as a whole, but it means nothing to me. My views on Religion can be summed up like this:
I do not care.

That's it.

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Ok, you want examples, I'll give you some things that cannot be proven:

1. Breathing
2. Food
3. Sleeping
4. A College Ruled Notebook

These things cannot be proven real.

Yeah, I dont think my point came out as clear either. Your post was good though, and brought up some good points that I need to clarify. Yes, church is a beautiful thing, and I wish I went. I believe that something almost as good though, is to just fellowship, when you gather together with people, almost like we're doing, and discuss religon. Its just a beautiful, in my opinion.

And about what you said about christianity not being easy. Jesus gave us his teachings because being good and loving others will greatly increase your chances. In the cahtolic faith, your faith in god must be balanced with good deeds. In my faith, faith is all you need, although good deeds will help. If you remember, in the bible there were two people on the cross. A theif and a murderer. I forget which one, but one said "if your jesus, get us down from here" the other said "remember me in heaven". Now, neither one did good deeds, but we can infer from the scripture that the one who said "remember me in heaven" was saved right then and went to heaven. In that example, good deeds werent important.

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Lol.. what the hell?

So breathing can't be proven? Then why is breathing the only way I'm living right now?

Food can't be proven? Then why do we die without food? Food is an essential part of life, it can be any type of food, as long as it's a source of energy, THAT is a scientific fact.

If I don't sleep, how do I restore energy? Sleeping is a form of restoring energy, humans do it every day, how is that unproven?

And a notebook? What is there to prove about it?

what in the world are you smoking? College ruled notebooks are most certainly real, and can be proven so.

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1. Define living.

2. Who are you to say we die if we don't eat. Can you prove death?

3. How do you know you're really alsleep. If you can't recall what you were doing for eight hours last night, than how do you expect me to believe you were sleeping? :wtf:

4. Prove that a notebook is indeed a notebook. Prove it exists.

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define existence

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I rest my case.

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1. You're getting off topic. How does this relate to me about not caring about Religion?

2. Hmm.... why don't you try not eating for a while? Perhaps until you fall face-first on the floor? You'll see my point then.

3. Who cares? I go to bed when I'm tired, when I get up 8 hours later, my body is refreshed and ready to start a new day. That's all I need to care about at this point in my life.

As stated twice, you are taking me too literally, and definitely taking this a bit too far.

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I hate people with this rationale. What the hell makes you so positive that your chosen religion is the right one? Nobody knows. For all we know, Atheists could be right. There might not be a God. I do believe that there is, but I am just one person. The fact that you don't approve of people worshipping other things is bull****. Who are you to disapprove? The only person who can disapprove of something like that is God, and you might be the person that he is disapproving of.

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Well... Huh? So.. you're saying that God may be disapproving of Vampyr who worships God.. So God would be disapproving him of worshiping Him?

And if you truly believed in God, there would be no room for the possibility of other gods. It ruins everything about believing in God. If you admit that you might be wrong, you are not truly faithful and cannot be considered a real Christian...

I don't know... Your post is... Wierd...


*shrugs and walks away*

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I'm not off topic. You see, the problem with you people is that you only take the time to question your belief in the big things (parting of seas, fish to loaves of bread and water to wine, the mighty plagues) but then you completely blow off the little things in life like eating yogurt, raising your hand, or calling someone a bad word. When none of this can or can't be proven, how can you priortize any of it as being more or less worthy of questioning?

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He's not questioning his belief... He has no belief to question! Besides, what are you trying to prove? That everything in life is a beautiful thing? That life is an illusion? God is real? God isn't real? The Matrix is real?

WT* are you talking about?


*shrugs and walks away*

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1. I don't live. Prove me wrong.

2. Can you prove death doesnt exist?

3. If you ate food and you are no longer hungry, how can you prove that you did in fact eat that food? Can you prove the past?

4. A notebook is a notebook because I say it is. Prove me wrong.

Meanings of life are based upon how you interpret them. There is no right or wrong, there is only opinion.

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Thank you, Ginkasa and DM. GameMaster, you are taking this too far, I don't care about Religion and I don't want to be Religous. It is the lifestyle I chose, just as I chose to be "different" from the rest of the "cool" kids, and just as I chose gaming to be a major part of my life. It has nothing to do with what is truly real or not, because I don't care if God is/was actually real.. if "he" is, then fine. It won't bother me until the day I die (assuming there's an afterlife... which is an completely different topic).

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If he has nothing to question, then he's obviosuly made some decisions.

And how can one priotize the decision of something when everything can/cannot be proven real/unreal.

Where do you go about starting to decide let alone deciding one thing before another when it's all equal?

Yes, this post is indeed wierd. I believe that my religon is the one and only correct one because I want too. And if you give me crap that the only reason I believe this is because I grew up believing, than Im going to tell you good for me. I guess I got luckier that that hindu kid.

Too right. His post was very wierd. And your second paragraph is also very true.

*congratulates Darkmaster on a post well done*

GM:

See, now you're not even arguing or debating with anybody. You're just raising stupid philosophical, unanswerable questions that mean jack squat in the grand scheme of the world.

The only thing you're proving is that you're an idiot who has no clue what he's talking about.

I'm done with this. This is probably just some wierd scheme of your's to get attention or try to take part of an intelligent conversation that you have no clue about.

Don't reply until you have something to say that people would actually care about.


*shrugs and walks away*

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existence.

1 a obsolete : reality as opposed to appearance
b : reality as presented in experience
c (1) : the totality of existent things
(2) : a particular being d : sentient or living being : LIFE
2 a : the state or fact of having being especially independently of human consciousness and as contrasted with nonexistence
b : the manner of being that is common to every mode of being
c : being with respect to a limiting condition or under a particular aspect
3 : continued or repeated manifestation

thus anything you have seen felt learned is existence.
existence is your way of life anything you have incountered is existence.
to question what you have seen felt touched is foolish your alive im alive thats a given if anything above and beond that that has not been touched by you is not existence. have you felt god have you seen god or have you read about him maybe saw a picture. ive seen a note book its notie and bookie ive felt it and even eaten a page anything can be questioned and proven except god soo whether hes there and dosent want to be found or hes not there and someone needs to belive in somthing anything just to have hope. anyway it doenst matter if he is god then he has a plan wether you belive or not and what is that you can see and fell that is existence. god is just... somewhere else or not there at all.

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How significant is "jack squat" in a world which cannot be proven.

Oh, the humanity, here he goes again.