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Yoda9864 06-30-2003 08:21 PM
Ok, that's what I figured. That's the main reason I like PC's better than Mac's, gaming. Other than that and price, I guess I really don't have anything against Macs. And I have to say that I like video editing on Macs.

Kitana85 06-30-2003 09:12 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
I'm glad everyone is so ummm, interested in this thread, but um, could people please tone it down a bit, no bashing etc. I really don't want to have to close this thread, people, PLEASE calm down.


Thank you, and good night.

Null 06-30-2003 09:21 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitana85
I'm glad everyone is so ummm, interested in this thread, but um, could people please tone it down a bit, no bashing etc. I really don't want to have to close this thread, people, PLEASE calm down.


Thank you, and good night.

must be boring being mod of this section.... lol. you look like your trying to find a place to assert power. :P

not sure what your speaking of tho. aside from one post. which was taken care of a while ago.

the descussion is going quite nicely.

Bond 06-30-2003 09:25 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Yes, this discussion has actually been going much better than the past few we've had in recent days.

manasecret 06-30-2003 09:47 PM
Someone mentioned it but I forgot who. Anyway, even plug-and-play has become a lot better with XP than it used to be.

For example, I plugged in an old printer awhile ago into a printer port (not USB), and XP installed the driver itself and it worked great.

Also, every USB product I've ever used with XP automatically brings up software for it or XP lets me look at the files or whatever. Admittedly, I don't use many USB devices, so has anyone else had more experience with that?

I also like how XP will find drivers for me on the internet if I don't know where they are. Or XP will automatically find updates to many of the current drivers I use, like for soundcards and such.

With all of that, a more friendly look and interface than the Win 9x series, and a very stable OS makes me love XP.

Null 06-30-2003 09:51 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
yes it does find the drivers and stuff for USB devices quite well.

it even found all the drivers needed for my Apple iPod when i plugged that into my firewire. before i installed the stuff that came with the iPod.

as i said. getting better. :p

Mushlafa 06-30-2003 10:14 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Null
Win XP does not have a blue screen......... at all.

the blue screen is a Dos screen. XP does not have a dos. it doesnt use dos. closest it has is a simulated dos mod.

only blue screen is the welcome and shut down screens. and even them arent the same blue screen as what your talking about.

IF XP did lock up all it would do is have an error box or something. it wont flick into a dos blue screen tho.
Ive gotten a blue screen in XP when i broke something with my virus scanning software... during XP boot it went into a blue screen with white writing and about 3 paragraphs.. telling me that i had an unmountable boot volume.. took me a while to fix the damn thing seeing as i didnt have an xp cd... ya.. im done..

Yoda9864 06-30-2003 10:16 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Null
yes it does find the drivers and stuff for USB devices quite well.

it even found all the drivers needed for my Apple iPod when i plugged that into my firewire. before i installed the stuff that came with the iPod.

as i said. getting better. :p
Lol

Null 06-30-2003 10:17 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
yes thats the scandisk....... not in dos. they just colored it blue for the hell of it. heh. but thats not a 'blue screen of death'

i've never seen xp pop up with any type of blue screen in the middle of using it. and i dont know why they would want to make it do that. when windows ran on dos it made sence. it had no other way to do anything but something in dos.

Stonecutter 06-30-2003 11:09 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gekko
Pretty much everything but games. I don't play games on my Mac. The P4 would blow it away in games, as it should with a faster processor, bus, and better video card. But I was referring to everything but games.
People who have actually bothered to run the benchmarks would disagree.


Yoda9864 06-30-2003 11:32 PM
Good God, the Mac got slaughtered. Has anyone else done a duel like this? I don't like trusting just one site.

Stonecutter 07-01-2003 12:05 AM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda9864
Good God, the Mac got slaughtered. Has anyone else done a duel like this? I don't like trusting just one site.
This is about a month old, but they're testing similar machines.

http://www.barefeats.com/pentium4.html

That's a pro-mac site and one of the pcs wins all but one of the benchmarks (they test a P4 and a xeon.)



http://www.macmusic.org/news/viewnew...RmtQjpAznOhM=1

These are mac enthusiasts slamming Jobbs & Co. for their questionable at best standards when they put the G5 against the top P4 at WWDC.

http://www.macobserver.com/columns/d...20030509.shtml
http://pcbuyersguide.com/software/sy...enchmarks.html


Edit: sorry if the order is a little confusing. All of those are good pc v mac stories.

Yoda9864 07-01-2003 12:35 AM
Wait a minute, so Jobs tried to compare the two systems using different programs on each comp? What the hell is he smoking?

Stonecutter 07-01-2003 12:45 AM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda9864
Wait a minute, so Jobs tried to compare the two systems using different programs on each comp? What the hell is he smoking?
Perhaps it's the "We can't win in a fair fight" bong.

He's certianly not alone. If you don't think ATI AND Nvidia aren't skewing their benchmarks in their favor I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Bond 07-01-2003 10:29 AM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Well, in the past whenever Apple would conduct a test, they would always favor the Mac. But actually the latest one they did with the G4 vs. P4 and Xeon favored the P4 and Xeon.

gekko 07-01-2003 11:34 AM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 

Good for them. You haven't used either system, so you wouldn't know, would you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonecutter
These are mac enthusiasts slamming Jobbs & Co. for their questionable at best standards when they put the G5 against the top P4 at WWDC.
Wow, a shock to you? Maybe you should spend less time trying to learn from fanboy flame wars and spend some time with the Mac community. Mac fans are very critical of Apple, much in the same way Nintendo fans can be fed perfection and they still complain. Apple fans always have, and always will be critical of whatever Apple does. You would know that if you visited Mac sites.

If you want some real information, take it from someone who actually knows about the tests, and not some PC fanboy pulling **** out of their ass.

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl...id=126&tid=181

Stonecutter, until you actually own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs. So until that time comes, you have no first hand knowledge and everything you say is nothing but regergetated bull**** from someone else's mouth. You've established your identity as an PC fanboy who finds happiness in life by winning PC vs. Mac debates. If you actually used both platforms and like the PC better, I would respect you and value your opinion. Until that time, your opinion is worthless, and I'm not going to waste my time with someone who is not educated on the subject and enjoys flamewars.

So continue trying to brainwash people like Yoda, they'll believe everything you say. I don't plan on stopping the spread of communism. But until you actually educate yourself on the Mac platform, I'm not going to waste my time debating with you. It'll just be interesting to see how many people actually believe you.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe 07-01-2003 02:02 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
mmmmm.... hard to fight the PC side is :rolleyes:

*sry yoda, i just had to say that :p

Stonecutter 07-01-2003 03:58 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gekko

If you want some real information, take it from someone who actually knows about the tests, and not some PC fanboy pulling **** out of their ass.

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl...id=126&tid=181
So we should listen to the largest, most notorious anti-microsoft website on the net.

In an article written with all relevant information being given by an apple employee no less.

Right.

Not to mention the fact that they're trying to prove that the G5, a computer with technology two months ahead of the current intel is the better machine. Again, I should hope it is. The G5 should be whipping the P4 right now, though it's advantages would be marginal at best and non-existent at worse.

Not to mention the price, which you still have no answer for.

Quote:
Stonecutter, until you actually own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs. So until that time comes, you have no first hand knowledge and everything you say is nothing but regergetated bull**** from someone else's mouth. You've established your identity as an PC fanboy who finds happiness in life by winning PC vs. Mac debates. If you actually used both platforms and like the PC better, I would respect you and value your opinion. Until that time, your opinion is worthless, and I'm not going to waste my time with someone who is not educated on the subject and enjoys flamewars.

So continue trying to brainwash people like Yoda, they'll believe everything you say. I don't plan on stopping the spread of communism. But until you actually educate yourself on the Mac platform, I'm not going to waste my time debating with you. It'll just be interesting to see how many people actually believe you.
So... basicly, what you're saying is. "I like the mac better and everyone who dosen't agree is a pc fanboy/moron. I don't have any numbers to back it up, but don't pay any attention to his numbers because..."

Where I'm saying the PC is better and I have the numbers to back it up.

I've taken the time to read the specs, to look at the prices to look at the software.

But I'm not educated on the subject because I haven't used it myself.

Interesting. I'd think that lack of first hand education would take about 90% of everything everyone learns in school and throw it out the window. That stance is the same kind of arrogance that professional atheletes show when they attack the media for "never having played the game." It doesn't work. Your only arguement so far is "I like them better."

It will be far more interesting to see how many people believe you, because you have no information to believe. Only your opinion that the mac is better. Despite the facts which tend to show the opposite.

I believe it's around 96% of the computer market that tends to agree with me.

Quote:
Stonecutter, until you actually own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs.
Actually, I used macs for two years in grade school before my school got some donated pcs. I have no idea what we were using (on either the pc or the mac front) but because we were so short on funds I can almost guarantee that the macs we owned were still better (specs wise) than the piecemeal pcs we were given and I have preferred the pc since that time. I will admit that even now the majority of the machines in that school are P2s meaning the mac/pc experience I have is a war that was fought many years past but I did make a mac pc decision. At the time I didn't know there was actually a difference. It was one computer that I liked a whole lot better than the other one.

gekko 07-01-2003 05:14 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonecutter
So we should listen to the largest, most notorious anti-microsoft website on the net.

In an article written with all relevant information being given by an apple employee no less.

Right.

Not to mention the fact that they're trying to prove that the G5, a computer with technology two months ahead of the current intel is the better machine. Again, I should hope it is. The G5 should be whipping the P4 right now, though it's advantages would be marginal at best and non-existent at worse.

Not to mention the price, which you still have no answer for.
Well let's take a look at things...

Do any of these anti-Mac sites have a G5? No. That means no one outside of Apple and Veritest can tell you how good or bad the G5 is. Any PC sites, or PC fans saying the G5 is slower is purely biased, because they don't have one.

Should you trust Apple's VP? Yes. Apple's innocent until proven guilty. He has first hand knowledge of how the tests were done. Do any skeptics? No, they immediatly assume Apple cheated because to them it's impossible for Apple to have a faster machine. They are what we call biased. Apple even offered to re-do the tests, something no company would do if they were not 100% confident the results would be even better.

Can Apple test Intel's machine that's shipping in 2 months? No. Will that machine be better than the G5? Maybe, maybe not. Wait and see. Technology keeps advancing. Intel may pass the G5, AMD may come back and pass both. It's no big deal to Mac users. G4s were much slower than the PC processors, and they kept falling farther and farther behind. Now the G5 is a competetor, and that's all that matters.

As for price, the G5 they tested cost less than the PC they tested. Also, to save you the research, top-of-the-line Macs do not cost much more than top-of-the-line PCs. Thing is, most people who complain about the cost of Macs never buy a top-of-the-line PC. I bought a top-of-the-line Mac in Feb 2001, cost me $700 more than a top-of-the-line PC (except video card, will be explained later) I bought May 2002. The Mac has a DVD burner, PC does not. The Mac has Gigabit ethernet, the PC does not. The Mac has wireless networking, the PC does not. The Mac has FireWire, the PC does not. The Mac also had the top-end video card of the day, the PC was one level down (GF4 Ti4400 instead of 4600). Anyone who jumps on the technology is going to pay big bucks for it. Price is a stereotype against Macs, and it's dropped considerably in the past few years. It's an argument made by the same PC users showing benchmarks for the best PC on the market and saying how much better PCs are. Give me a break, if you can afford the best PC on the market, price is not your concearn.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonecutter
Actually, I used macs for two years in grade school before my school got some donated pcs. I have no idea what we were using (on either the pc or the mac front) but because we were so short on funds I can almost guarantee that the macs we owned were still better (specs wise) than the piecemeal pcs we were given and I have preferred the pc since that time. I will admit that even now the majority of the machines in that school are P2s meaning the mac/pc experience I have is a war that was fought many years past but I did make a mac pc decision.
Most people only use Macs in school, and they wonder why Macs suck. My school got new iMacs this last year, which just happened to be 2 years old to begin with. Slow? I would've never guessed.

And that's exactly why I said "own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs." Using a computer outside of your home is entirely different than using one in your home. If you owned and used a Mac at home (by Mac I mean a recent Mac, running OS X 10.2) and you still liked PCs better, I would be happy to debate with you. See, I'm a Mac fan, but behind me is a very nice Windows machine. I know both platforms because I own both, and have used both for years (Macs for 3 years, Windows since 3.1). I don't like debating with PC fans. Why? Because they're Mac-hating fanboys who love to talk about how much Macs suck when they've never used them outside of school and they don't know anything about them except what they've read in debates. How do I know? I was one. Then I bought a Mac.

Stonecutter 07-01-2003 05:33 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gekko
Well let's take a look at things...

Do any of these anti-Mac sites have a G5? No. That means no one outside of Apple and Veritest can tell you how good or bad the G5 is. Any PC sites, or PC fans saying the G5 is slower is purely biased, because they don't have one.

Should you trust Apple's VP? Yes. Apple's innocent until proven guilty. He has first hand knowledge of how the tests were done. Do any skeptics? No, they immediatly assume Apple cheated because to them it's impossible for Apple to have a faster machine. They are what we call biased. Apple even offered to re-do the tests, something no company would do if they were not 100% confident the results would be even better.

Can Apple test Intel's machine that's shipping in 2 months? No. Will that machine be better than the G5? Maybe, maybe not. Wait and see. Technology keeps advancing. Intel may pass the G5, AMD may come back and pass both. It's no big deal to Mac users. G4s were much slower than the PC processors, and they kept falling farther and farther behind. Now the G5 is a competetor, and that's all that matters.

As for price, the G5 they tested cost less than the PC they tested. Also, to save you the research, top-of-the-line Macs do not cost much more than top-of-the-line PCs. Thing is, most people who complain about the cost of Macs never buy a top-of-the-line PC. I bought a top-of-the-line Mac in Feb 2001, cost me $700 more than a top-of-the-line PC (except video card, will be explained later) I bought May 2002. The Mac has a DVD burner, PC does not. The Mac has Gigabit ethernet, the PC does not. The Mac has wireless networking, the PC does not. The Mac has FireWire, the PC does not. The Mac also had the top-end video card of the day, the PC was one level down (GF4 Ti4400 instead of 4600). Anyone who jumps on the technology is going to pay big bucks for it. Price is a stereotype against Macs, and it's dropped considerably in the past few years. It's an argument made by the same PC users showing benchmarks for the best PC on the market and saying how much better PCs are. Give me a break, if you can afford the best PC on the market, price is not your concearn.



Most people only use Macs in school, and they wonder why Macs suck. My school got new iMacs this last year, which just happened to be 2 years old to begin with. Slow? I would've never guessed.

And that's exactly why I said "own and use a Mac in the same way you use your PC, you can't accuratly compare Macs and PCs." Using a computer outside of your home is entirely different than using one in your home. If you owned and used a Mac at home (by Mac I mean a recent Mac, running OS X 10.2) and you still liked PCs better, I would be happy to debate with you. See, I'm a Mac fan, but behind me is a very nice Windows machine. I know both platforms because I own both, and have used both for years (Macs for 3 years, Windows since 3.1). I don't like debating with PC fans. Why? Because they're Mac-hating fanboys who love to talk about how much Macs suck when they've never used them outside of school and they don't know anything about them except what they've read in debates. How do I know? I was one. Then I bought a Mac.
And I got a response out of you other than "you're an idiot."

Which is all I really wanted.

So though I still feel I won. I shall tip my cap to you.


Good day, sir.

PureEvil 07-01-2003 05:35 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonecutter
And I got a response out of you other than "you're an idiot."

Which is all I really wanted.

So though I still feel I won. I shall tip my cap to you.


Good day, sir.
You're an idiot.

Stonecutter 07-01-2003 05:38 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Ohhhh, we were getting alone so well for about 3 days.


:rolleyes:

Edit: Or, along, for that matter.

GameMaster 07-01-2003 05:41 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
I have a Mac. I like it a lot. :)

Mushlafa 07-01-2003 09:29 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
I dont have a mac but id like one... just for the hell of it :unsure: I prolly wouldnt use it much tho cuz i mainly use my comp for gaming, so blah

*walks away*

Kitana85 07-02-2003 08:58 AM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonecutter
And I got a response out of you other than "you're an idiot."

Which is all I really wanted.

So though I still feel I won. I shall tip my cap to you.


Good day, sir.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil
You're an idiot.
Ah, this is mature... :rolleyes:

Null 07-02-2003 12:01 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
perhaps not. but amusing tho. ;)

Yoda9864 07-03-2003 02:29 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gekko
So continue trying to brainwash people like Yoda, they'll believe everything you say.
That hurts Gekko. So I ask for more tests between Pc's and Macs to justify a shady little site's test, and all of a sudden I believe everything I see and am brainwashed?

sdtPikachu 07-06-2003 01:18 PM
/me ignores flames and casually walks in

Yes, I'd love a Mac laptop. No, Macs aren't the fastest in the world (I'm talking the G4's here chaps, not the spanky new 970's) but FFS, this is a laptop we're talking about, right?

Reasons I love Mac laptops (and yes, I have used them):

Really really nice screens
Battery life that puts x86 machines to shame
Better PnP support
All the apps I'd ever need for wandering about
UNIX core (which comes in fscking handy since I then don't have to arse about with dual booting yellow dog linux on it)

Apple HW may sometimes be more expensive than x86 stuff, granted. But AFAIK, when you consider the TCO I find Mac's work out cheaper, as I don't have to spend an age fixing Windows when it fsck's itself over for the zillionth time, or trying to recover my b0rked kernel recompile in Linux.

And just top settle an earlier point of discussion, I've seen plenty of XP bluescreens. And I still find it far less reliable than 2k.

As far as laptops go, I just can't see a better option than the Macs - they're the best for carting about and doing general stuff. If I want to play games, I'll do it on my Windows box. If I want to render movies, I'll start up Linux on my renderbox. If I want to chill and listen to some music or watch some TV and films, I'll go fire up the MythTV in the lounge. It's all about choosing the best applications for the job kids, and as far as I can see Mac's have my interest in laptops owned.

Cyrax9 07-07-2003 03:16 AM
PIka to the rescue!!

Thank you Sagre! I am enjoying my mac, while my idiot father can't get Winblows 98 Scrap Edition, to work with MOve2Mac, apparently his K-rappy DVD-ROM Drive is too old to "handle" the M2M Disc, and he's curisng it out, his loss, besides if he keeps complang about it I'm going to ask for "My Mac" and tell him to Scr*w of sicne he ppaently doesn't want it, ona brighter note, my Ol' "Co Computer" that I laoned to my rbother for awhile (You do known what I mean by Cow Computer I hope, rioght?) and my Alineware Machine, can BOTH apparenlty read the MOve2Mac CD so as I told the Arse with the wallet (aka my Father), "It's NOT the MOve2Mac Software, it's YOUR Hardware", now tomorw I'm going to try and see if I can get the scrapheap to work with the M2M software, if I can't oh well, but at least it proves Windoze sucks for everything excpet Gaming, and right now the only PC Gaming I want to do, I can do From Windows ME, ncluding DooM III and The Sims 2 when i cmes out, SuXP crashes more often than a drunk driver, and sicne I'm stuck with Wuindows ME for awhile due to a Non-Refundabl Cpy, I'll dual-boot it with Linuxm, for Vid editng, and I'll play games through ME since I prefer DOS Games anyway if I;'m not,play my 'Cube or anohter Console, and as far as the Mac goes, it's Replacing Windoze since the Empire seems to enjoy taking over the planet, anybody wanna make an Xbox controller? (SOmebody PLEASE find that vdieo!) Because atthis rate, as my Aunt's IT Departmern would say, in 2 years everyoe will be woring fomr microsoft SOMEHOW, sadly unless The Horned man who resides in the neatherworld ebtween Washington State and the core of the earth is gone, we have no choice but to put up with MIcorshatft, and yes I liek to cll Micorsoft Microshaft bncause these guys have cheated me time and again, and Whoever it was at Xerox that gave Bill gates WIndozer should be taken onto the Gallows and shot for crimes against humanity, Xerox shouldda kept that piece of garbge where it ws, in the Garbage!

Who here has Wiundows CE, WIndows ME adn Windows NT? IF you \do, try using them togethr to make Whndows CEMENT! Hey ther's an diea,a "Serive Pack" for threee cheesy OS' that's aptly named, just wait until I mkae a post about ""WIndows Vs. A Window" we';re gonna have soem fun with that, and I'm sure Geko will enjoy it, with that siad, I'm out of this flame war because my flame-reatrdant sut is starting to get a little hot, gotta tarde up tot he model, buil by the guys at Microshaft ;)

Stonecutter 07-09-2003 07:52 PM
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Says it all.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe 07-09-2003 07:59 PM
lol, reminds or something i can't remember. :D

why can't we all just live in a world where macs and pcs get along, where users can graciously appreciate eachothers stuff, and in this world gimpy said let there be peace, and there was, and for a time, it was good. but then the awesome power of the Xeon struck, threatened out of existence, the Apple unleashed the G5 an awsome force with large amounts of ram and CPU processing power, and gimpy said it was good, and so it was :D

GameMaster 07-09-2003 10:25 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
On July 12, Apple is opening a new store up 10 minutes away from where I live! The first 1000 people get an Apple T-shirt! I'm am so going to be there early. :D

One Winged Angel 07-09-2003 11:08 PM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
thats pathetic :P

manasecret 07-09-2003 11:33 PM
Gimpy, this world wouldn't be fun if we all got along.

And we got an Apple store opened her about a year ago. There was a grand opening. I didn't go. Yeah, that's right; you can be jealous :p.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe 07-10-2003 09:14 AM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMaster
On July 12, Apple is opening a new store up 10 minutes away from where I live! The first 1000 people get an Apple T-shirt! I'm am so going to be there early. :D
lol, i can just imagine the advertisement



FREE APPLE Tshirt

gekko 07-10-2003 10:29 AM
Re: Getting a Mac Laptop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMaster
On July 12, Apple is opening a new store up 10 minutes away from where I live! The first 1000 people get an Apple T-shirt! I'm am so going to be there early. :D
That's not exactly a good thing. I didn't go to the Mall of America grand opening, but I had a friend who did. Huge line and the store was packed.

I did go to the Jaguar launch though. Well over 1,000 people there, and I got a free mouse pad just for going, and t-shirt for buying :D Granted it was the most tedius experience of my life, I got a mouse pad and a t-shirt!

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3154

Warning (Achtung!): NEVER ATTEND AN APPLE EVENT!

They opened a second store only about 10 minutes from the Mall of America. When asked why, they said the largest concentration of Mac users in the world live in that area. Sweet :cool:


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