Aye, Hitler merely took the rage of a nation and harboured it into a reason to " Get even" to what he thought was the enemy.

Although there are several theories into why Hitler hated Jewish people, Most common is that his mother died on an operating table, in which the doctor working on her was jewish..

How people can say " Well hitler was evil", yea but look at his actions At the time through the eyes of a german citizen, i can basically guarentee you would have been on his side, he promised his countrymen that he would break them out of the depression and at the same time get revenge on those who had ravaged his country for so long, which would take us back to the treaty of Versaille ( Which Gekko mentioned earlier)..

Now using that logic, nearly 99 percent of Americans love President Bush, saying that. I am in that one percent of people in north america that does not like him at all. He is using the actions on September 11th to further his popularity, he can say a few kind words about America and he has the public eating out of the palm of his hands like a bunch of mindless drones. All the while basically out raging the rest of the world while doing it, most people in the U.K and Ireland i know and have talked to do not like him or do not like what he is doing to the world. He should look at the actions of his own countrymen before starting to point fingers at the rest of the world, because * Gasp* there are terrorist groups in the USA.

Speaking of the U.S being linked to terrorism, to my knowledge they have gave weapons and funding to at least 2 terrorist groups

The Taliban, and the I.R.A.

The I.R.A alone are responsible for the deaths of over 500 British people, not to mention the Horrific Omagh Bombing in 1998, ( I was staying in a town about 30 minutes from omagh the day it happened) and did you hear about it for months in the states? hell no. Because if you did. journalists would have jumped all over the fact that the U.S was in theory responsible for that, If they hadn't have given Sinn Fein that money all those years ago, Chances are they wouldn't have started such a bloody and un-nesscecary reign of terror that has lasted in Northern Ireland and England for over 25 years.

The Ibrox Fox : About the operating table thing though, from books Ive read they have mentioned that theres evidence that hitler actually pardoned the doctor that worked on his mom. The hate of the jewish people was a deep rooted thing in German culture at the time. People always have the tendency to hate one another for being different and what not. So in the sense of hating jewish people I think Hitler was just your average individual in that sense of the hatred. He fought in the war, felt burned that they lost, and blamed the people everyone else was.

So anyway yea, reading this little argument has been quite amusing. Neither side will ever budge, so gekko and miscx you guys should just forget it....


another thing about hitler, a lot of the things he did (forget the whole genocide crap for a sec) is part of most liberal minded persons beliefs today, he pioneered gun control, his economic strategies until the war happened (remember he was semi peaceful for 6 years) was watered down socialism, workers unions and what not, social programs to help the people and all that jazz. so really in a sense/area bush is worse than hitler. you watch.. bush will cut programs like mad in the oncoming years to get rid of "big bad government"..so on the general military/presentation side of it hitler and bush coincide but otherwise theres not much parallel

Bush wasn't around for that. But I would've liked for him to admit that we ****ed up in the past, and have him make an effort not to support these groups again in the future. As soon as this thing blows over, if some terrorist group goes and fights Iraq, you know we will provide them with weapons. Then they will get pissed at us later, and we're in the same mess again.

We funded the Taliban, and now they're against us, and we tried to buy back some anti-aircraft weapons from them for way more than they're worth. Why the hell didn't we just think about what we were getting into beforehand, and then they wouldn't have the weapons, and we could spend our money on something more important, like education.

rather, i hate cocky-ass admins who get into arguments without knowing **** about the topic.

you think i know nothing about hitler? hahah. i'll wager anything you want that i am MUCH more educated that you are, gekko. its evident in your posts that you can't get very far without resorting to cursing and calling people idiots. you should let the validity of your arguments be the attacking force in your arguments, but alas, your arguments have no validity, and therefore fall short.

and once again, let me remind you you're arguing with phantom facts. READ MY POSTS. did i not say that the president can get us into a war? i also said he can't destroy this country, which is where I'm coming from.

Haha, ME read a book? I'd say that I have, many more than you, which is one of the reasons why I can spell "treaty of versailles" and you can't (besides the obvious intelligence differential). by the way, one of the books i've read would be "mein kampf" for your information. you DO know who wrote that, don't you?

and that, my friends, is called "bitch slapping the admin."

::waits for senseless banning::

so MiscX, you are acting like Gekko is being rude for saying you don't know anything about the subject.....

Then you turn around the same thing. You are quite a hypocrite, and an ignorant one at that.


and miscx, one more thing, of what nationality are you.

So if I said a bannana was like a post-it note, would you immediatly bitch becuase one is food and one is paper, or would you finish reading the post where i state they're similar because they're both yellow?

Reading through these posts, it seems very evident that you can't comprehend jack ****.

Gekko: Bush and Hitler both preach nationalism
Miscx: WTF? Bush didn't try to wipe out an entire race!
:rolleyes:

And I'm talking some books with facts, where you can gain intelligence. Reading "See Spot Run" won't help much in these debates.

lol i'm sorry that was the stupidest post i've ever seen, gekko.

i told you a book that i've read which would give insight on a social discussion like this, and then you say i'm talking about "see spot run." haha, oh, i get it, you're trying to be clever. well, you failed quite miserably. the sad thing is you would say that a post-it note and a banana are similar because they're both yellow, and I would say that even though they are yellow there's way too many differences to even call them similar or compare them. just like you comparing bush to hitler. maybe they both preach nationalism, but I'm saying the differences are so huge between those two that saying they're similar is folly.


talk about not finishing reading a post.... :rolleyes:


ibrox fox... there's a difference between hypocrisy and what I'm doing... and the fact is i'm defending myself because gekko attacked me after running out of intelligent things to say... which was immediately.

what makes me ignorant, by the way? i'd like you to back that up, because without being able to explain WHY i'm ignorant, it just makes YOU ignorant of WHY i'm ignorant.

nd finally, let me ask you what relevance my nationality has to do with this discussion....

I have a feeling though that the general hatred for bush on this board has nothing to do with his actions but rather that hes a republican. Be honest now, I mean hes not your guy now is he? So of course everything he does is irrelevant to you. We can find something wrong with any situation if we look at it right. Good and Bad, Right and Wrong, its all perception.

About the Taliban, we funded them so we wouldnt have to fight the soviets ourselves...stop the spread of communism and all that, or atleast try to. At the time it was a relevant reason to fund them. So I figure funding a stupid little faction is a lot better than causing a world war (by sending troops there) or by doing nothing at all or trying to whine at them in the UN. Looking back its easy to say they were wrong but at the time it was the best solution. With countries like Iran and Iraq though its pretty bothersome that we dealt with them. They serve no purpose and you can say we were morons for funding Iraq and Iran.

Explain to you why you are ignorant?, because your attitude towards gekko was far more childish then you had accused his of being towards you.

I am sorry to burst your bubble but you aren't as intelligent as you let on. Merely because you claim to have read books and you CLAIM to be more intelligent then him, doesn't make you any smarter.

Your " I am better then you" attitude is not going to fly with me, regardless of how much you try to put your self above everyone else.

"i'll wager anything you want that i am MUCH more educated that you are, gekko"

There is a very fine line between Arrogance and ignorance, you have clearly passed it in this quote.

"one of the books i've read would be "mein kampf" for your information. you DO know who wrote that, don't you"

Wow, do you feel special that you read a book written by Hitler? I myself have never read that book, i never have any intention to, does this make me less informed?

No, that book is writted solely on his opinion of the actions following the first world war.

now i don't want to get into a war of words with you over nothing, but nationality has alot to do with it.

There is quite a difference between reading about, and living in the aftermath of the war.

Where i was born my parents and alot of there Friends are still in financial trouble because of the War.

Re: Re: Bush has done it again
 

Ditto! :p

The only thing that scares me about any president of US is they are the most powerful person in the world...Next to congress.

Ibron Fox: where would you happen to be born? You could possibly blame the war for italy or greece's monetary situations, I have never been to either so that makes it impossible for me to start on these countries, however if it would be france england or germany id say the financial trouble created by the 2nd world war were delt with long ago and the issues spured by the cold war are more evident. My few family members in what used to be eastern germany are having issues with that somewhat, it was worse during the unification.

miscX's responses havent been the most mature, understanding mein kamf is an important part of understanding hitler and all that jazz. he very well could be more inteligent than gekko however has proven very self righteous and that sort of screws his points. the same goes for gekko in a sense too, both sides are self righteous about there beliefs. its the age old war of us versus them...be it middle class versus upper, liberal versus conservative, black versus white, axis versus allies (awesome board game btw), it will always exist. i mean we could always just say hey good debate, close the thread and forget about this crap. lets look at the good side for a bit shall we, we live in a country that has a network of machines in which we can discuss (or blatantly slam) ideas freely and really not have a care. in my mind thats totally badass. there will be something wrong with every president we ever have, its because there human, each person has all there own quirks and what not to there personality which inhibits them from acting in a way that is just to all people. if gore won all of the conservatives would be bashing how he would be handling the war. nothing is ever justified when its mainly influenced by the thought process of one man or a small group of when its suposed to represent the will of 200 million plus. so in the end i would much rather have seen UN action..the UN always seems to be a bit more unbiased with action

So you say the financial issues caused by the war are solved in france?

Think again man, some businesses were completely destroyed, and owners killed ( My grandfather) and only now is my family getting better financially, some of my mates haven't found a " Cure" for there depression financially

i realize that I have come off as self-righteous so I'm sorry for that... gekko's attacking me rather than debating with me kinda put me off the edge because his attitude works against how a board should operate. sure, that's no excuse, but that's my reasoning.

reading "mein kampf" is important, by the way, for obviously having read it would give me a lot more insight into Hitler (the person we have been discussing).

also, the financial issues caused by the war were never "solved" anywhere, but that's to be expected. in theory, the countries of europe are so amassed in debt and war reparations that they could never pull out of it, but of course 'arrangements' were made to help that...

however, just to make a point, your assumptions about my intelligence are just that -- assumptions. there's no way you can say I'm not as smart as I "think" I am because i could possibly be MUCH smarter than I think I am... we'll never know. intelligence is based on a scale that is formed by each person individually...

no, i don't feel special for reading a book by hitler. however, it DOES make you less informed when you are discussing hitler and I have read a book written by him and you haven't. That much is obvious. anyway, my mentioning the book in the first place was in response to gekko's unfounded accusations that I'm uneducated.

I don't see how I was being more childish than him... he's the one who stooped to say that I was uneducated in the first place.

Fox: Im sorry if I affended you, yes things arent completely fixed you could say but thats the nature of war. No one can bring back my mom's mom's home town (my grandmother), which at the moment is just a grassy knowl with a half standing church steaple. soviet soldiers raped one of her sisters, and various other family members. however from what ive seen in france and germany recently everything appears to be quite dandy, im not talking about the general tourists areas...those always look great but places people i know live in. however the partly socialist nature of france might be curbing there growth a bit. the trick is at this point though is for everyone to be smart and to hold back the forces of war so that we or those that come after us dont have to deal with the financial ruin of another "great war"

Your feeling is dead wrong, at least on my end. I don't follow parties. I personally find them childish, and feel they get in the way. People voting on what their party wants, and not what they want. You think they would be old enough to make their own decisions, but no.

My hatred towards Bush is purely based on his actions, as is my hatred for Clinton.

It's totally alright Polaris, i can understand what you mean though.

As unfortunate as it is, Bush has become more then a president, but a spokesman and a symbol of America. And it is at this time that we do need a warhappy leader to keep our country together and to keep it focused on what it needs to be focused on. I honestly shudder to think of what Gore would have done in responce to this whole thing. And although I think bush sucks some wet juicy hairy hardcore goatballs as a president, I honestly don't think that Gore would have done much of a job keeping us together.

Keep in mind that at the WTC, 5000 people died. That's a small town right there. Incase you're wondering, that's alot of people-- one of the people being my grandfather's best friend. So don't go on about how this thing is getting blown out of proportion. If anything, we haven't done enough against the Taliban.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth-- or eight hundred dubloons depending on how you look at it.


In my girlfriend

Leo

:: Raises a brow. ::

You mean jack ****, right?

Edit: Ahaha! That was clever. However, these forums have a filter for a reason, so I'm asking you to please not circumvent them like that again.

Carry on.

--Xantar

"Keep in mind that at the WTC, 5000 people died."

Actually, I think the numbers sit somewhere around 2,800...

I watch too much MSNBC...

Anyways... Why do you shudder at how gore would have handled it? Y'don't know how he would have handled it cuz... well... we havn't seen how he'd handle it... heh heh...

But I dunno, either way y'gotta walk a fine line or whatever... I think someone pointed this out before though, but like, if you go too far, you risk pissing too much of the world off, but if you don't go far enough, you get the bloodthirsty american people (and it's true :sneaky: although not everybody is like that) screaming at you for more...

so y'know...

MiscX, why didn't you take advantage of Gekko's mistake? He totally attacked you on a personal level, but you did the same back. Now you look even worst than he did. Rule #1 in debating, never attack someone personally.

yeah, i know... trust me i'm kicking myself for getting carried away...