I would like to publicly apologize to the members of GameTavern who have had to put up with the on-going rants of three individuals incorporated with PVG. Clearly it takes more than a months time with no interest with the exception of 5 to make clear our desires to participate in a debate. Their endless amount of speeches regarding disappointment and "lack of team spirit" grow tiresome as well as defensive stances for "intelligent conversation" when all we're saying is, "Thanks, but no thanks." Hopefully, the "issue" at hand will be cleared soon.

But haven't you gotten it by now? This isn't about you guys and never was. I'm not disappointed in any of you guys who are criticizing the debate. This is only about the 5 (or 4) who expressed interest in participating in this debate. Those people were the only ones we were concerned about. If the rest of GT didn't give a damn, that was fine by us. We weren't looking to challenge the entire forum.

How is this thread embarrassing to some members of GT? I really don't understand this. And I didn't call Xantar gay because he like "mature, intelligent argument in which both sides benefit from". I said it because that is what I truely feel that he is, a homosexual. This thread isn't about that, so I will not explore that further, unless somebody really wants to know why I think this way, then PM me or something. I'll just tell you this, it is from previous knowledge gained by posts made by Xantar.

And a "mature intelligent conversation" can happen with GT. I just don't think that most of us here want to have a whole tournament setting. We have had some really good and serious threads, not lately, but that doesn't really matter. We all know that we can be good, serious and intelligent posters, but like what DH said, this isn't really the best place to put our minds to work. I would rather do that on paper at school, where it actually matters.

Debates are pointless, that is when they are planned out and are in a "tournament" type of setting. I do not like the whole competition thing when it comes to things like this. I will get into a debate which is started by a question or comment, but I really wouldn't want to be in one that is planned out and takes time out of my day. I mean, it is an internet site, I am not going to specifically say to my friends, "oh, I cannot go out from 3-4 because I have to attend a debate about videogames". That is just stupid. The debates that I like are the ones that I can post my view or expressions whenever I want, not in a specific time period. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am interested in debating, but like I said, not planned out ones. And what are your theories? I wouldn't mind knowing.

Why are you apologizing? I mean, the 4 or 5 people that were actually interested in this debate 2 weeks ago didn't show up. This obviously means that they just grew uninterested in the whole idea. So who are you apologizing to? All members except for the 4 or 5? Why? These people don't give a damn about the debate, so why apologize?

This forum just didnt express a lot of interest, its not that we are too stupid do participate in a debate or whatever.

I happen to believe in putting your mind to work where it doesn't matter so that you'll do better where it does. Practice, in other words. But if you don't want to do that, it's fine. And yes, it's possible to practice thinking and being intelligent.

If you had read the original thread, you would know that the debates were supposed to simply take the form of a thread where someone asks a question and then the team members make their posts in their own time. There were some rules such as a character limit on posts, but there were no time constraints of any sort. That is why people in different time zones could participate even if they were as far away as England. The debate would end when everybody felt it was time to end it. That could have meant a thread sticking around for a few days for all we knew.

Didn't Marc say that the 4 topics would last over a span of 5 days?

And because you aren't challenging the whole forum, the whole forum doesn't want to see this soap opera at the top of this board anymore. It would most appreciated if you handled the rest of your business in PM form.

You guys just don't get it, do you?

Never mind.

Apparently we don't.

Okay, but isn't that plenty of time? Participants most certainly would not have had to change plans because they had to attend a debate between 4-5 PM. Besides which, I don't claim to read Marc's mind, but I believe 5 days was a ballpark figure.

And gekko is allowed to make a topic specifically addressing Justin (i.e. TheGame) in the title? It would have been a lot of trouble to PM every member who had volunteered, and we didn't think the vast majority of members would mind if we just made a topic. We figured that any member who wasn't interested in reading what was going on would simply not read this topic. Come to think of it, that's what most of them seem to have done. You're the only one telling us to get rid of this topic. Since when did you speak for the whole forum?

GameMaster is an idiot. Just ignore him. And I really do not think that anybody (with the exception of GameMaster) thinks that this thread is crap.

Well, I can't endorse your assessment of his intelligence since that would be flaming and I have to provide an examp...

Wait, I'm not a mod any more. Hmmm. Okay, fine. I'm ignoring him. I think I've said all that needs to be said anyway.

Erm, I might as well talk about killing Taliban fighters and killing bullies. Simply put, bullies don't usually kill people. Taliban fighters do. That's where we draw the line.

I think your the one who is pretty clueless. This thread was directed at choice people, and you judge the whole forum even when your post says judgement is wrong...

Yeah I keep feeling like you're talking to me, while I already told you the first day that I couldn't join!!!!

Apperantly those 4/5 members don't/won't show up here, so PLEASE send them some PMs, just to get them in here, ok?

My comments have been made to the assinine people that have embarrassed themselves by responding to this thread by flaming Xantar and making claims that we PVG members only wanted the debate to stroke our own egos. I am a GT member, so if I was aiming my comments at all of GT, that would include myself. That would be stupid.

At this point the debate is dead. That is obvious. I wouldn't go through with it now if the 5 members who weer interested did show up. GT has proven to be a hostile environment for activities like we proposed. All you would have to do is read this thread to realize this. I prefer not to have it here anyway, and whatever thread it would be performed in would most likely be littered with attempts at humor through derision.

If you don't want to debate or or don't like debates, that is fine by me. But those trying to make themselves feel superior by making fun of those that do are insecure, immature dolts.



Prime example. Talk about childish, bigotted slander attempting to be intelligent...

But like I said earlier, you guys just don't get it, do you?

So never mind.

I understand that in other parts you had hidden statements that is was only for certain members when you said something about it embarassing you and other members of GT. But be more direct next time.

Please tell me. How is my view about Xantar "childish, bigotted slander"? Just because my views about him are different that yours does not make it childish.

Just for record, I find The Strangler's use of selected big words very unimpressive. :-o

And as for Joeiss, I don't know what to say, you hurt my feelings. :(

I think that's about enough of that.