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As long as they dont get to hand pick the 5 new ones that sounds fine with me.

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Let's come to a consensus on who has absolutely no chance.

I think only Fox and Swan got kinda screwed over. Everyone else seems to have enough to work with.




Perhaps we should make some ground rules for the couple people who received pokemon that are banned from some tournaments (specifically Togekiss). Maybe we should find out why each one is banned and then just forbid the player from exploiting that.

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I dont have a voltorb. Im doomed! :(

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Im only really happy with 1 maybe 2 of mine.

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I know only 4 members of my team... its been a really long time since I played a Pokemon game.

And currently only have access to 2 I believe, though think need to exchange my Haunter to get a Gengar.

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Lawley's in the tournament (Frankenstan) and he knows a lot so I'll get him to tell me who has absolutely no chance, then you can jettison half your team for random redraft.

Start figuring out who you want to drop, Cam.

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I have no idea if mine are good or not



Though Abomasnow looks really cool and has an awesome name

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I don't see why Swan got screwed, he has some very nice pokemon.

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Get rid of

Sunflora
Castform
Unknown
Cherrim
Minun

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I don't really know most of the pokemon in my draft, except mismagius, which is a good one.

Bulbapedia, here I come.

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But can we all agree Cam got boned,right? I'll do your redraft Cam. But just you. And these ones are final so good luck

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Fox 6's redraft:

1. Ursaring
2. Claydol
3. Ninetails
4. Gastrodon
5. Feraligatr

6. Ariados
7. Persian
8. Beautifly
9. Dodrio
10. Grumpig


So that's 3 Grumpigs and 3 Ninetails in this tourney.

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Since I don't like the way this tournament is being played, nor put together, I am backing out of it.

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In other words your pokemon are on steroids, and you are trying to avoid a scandal.

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There's like...months. You'll be brought up to speed.



P.S. Does anyone have a Vulpix? It's the one thing I am unable to catch on my own. Unless Cam brings over leafgreen for me to stick in my cartridge slot.

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Id would have to catch it and release it into your game park. And i only have 2 badges, and nowhere near its area yet.

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Actually, on Pearl I can catch it in a certain area if your Leaf Green cartridge is simply in my DS.

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OH SNAP!

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Hey Kids.

So for the most part all of those pokemans that are banned are due to the fact that they retarded stat growth on some stats.

Togepi/togekiss is one of those. I forgot what stat or whatever.

I've always played in tournaments by those rules pretty much so never had to really deal with any of them.

The dragons all have near legendary stat growth and are obviously retarded to deal with. If you didn't get an ice user on your team you are fucked in a tournament and even still I've seen plenty of that shit go down.

Furthermore I would appreciate it if I could maybe get some redraft action. Bug pokemans are technically the worst pokemans in the game. The only one that is decent is Vespiquen which I did get, but I don't actually have her and don't feel like going through the trouble of slathering honey on 3 different trees and fucking praying that I get a combee and hoping that the 1/25 odds gives me a fucking female one. Yeah... It's that dumb. So what I was thinking is perhaps drop all the bugs and Golem seeing as I don't have much else to work with either.

Also more bad news. My copy of Pearl with all the old school pokemans is at home with the parents sitting in a box. I'm going to try and make the trip tomorrow to get it, however if I do not get a chance tomorrow to go I will not be able to get it until next Friday. So all those Johto Starters and Red/Blue pokemans are lost for the moment.

I don't know if the level cap has been set or not but I think 50 is good because pretty much every pokemans that is not banned learns their entire moveset by 50. Advice to anyone who got numel/camerupt he's on of the only pokemon in the game that can only learn his best move by staying in pre-evolved form. If you want to know what move check out serebii.net. In fact check out serebii.net for all your pokemans needs.

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Double Post Sorry.

So I was just thinking of something but it may be Too much work.

Perhaps since there are 17 different pokemon types what we could do is maybe let everyone pick their favorite 10 types of pokemans, and then give them 1 random mon from each of those 10 types? This balances out a lot with the fact that someone doesn't get 4 or 5 of the same type of pokemon and it would make for a closer tournament for sure.

Just a suggestion. Pokemon with 2 types would be placed into both of the categories.

Just a thought on a better way to balance the draft.

And just to be clear there are a few dragon types that aren't banned:

Altaria, Kingdra, Vibrava and Flygon.

Also the TypeList:

NORMAL, BUG, DARK, ELECTRIC, FIGHTING, FIRE, FLYING, GHOST, GRASS, GROUND, ICE, POISON, PSYCHIC, ROCK, STEEL, WATER, DRAGON

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That sounds like a fair system, although it takes longer to pick them using a random number generator.

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We could also draft based on the already predetermined tiers that are already available on smogon, which is where I have got most of my information involving tournament rules so far. If we drafted so that everyone got two from the highest tier, two from the middle and 6 from the lower tier, we could assure that everyone has an equal number of equally useful pokemon. This would not take dylflon too long to pull a draft from either as the lists already exist.

I'd suggest something like this simply due to the fact that the other drafting methods may lead to a lack of balance, for example: theslymoogle's draft compared to say Rock Adams or BLueFires, who probably have the strongest lists so far.

If anyone else likes this idea for the draft then help expand on it, since we still need to know how many from each list etc. that everyone thinks is best.

Edit - Also anyone whose list already conforms to the decided amounts from each list won't have to be redrafted. Dylflon's draft for instance has two from the highest tier (Dusknoir and Gallade), two from the middle (Swellow and Ninetails) and 6 from the lowest. This would also help save some more time compared to having to redraft everyone.

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Wha?
No no.
My dislike falls into how the tournament rules and regulations are, not time/pokemon I got.


I'm not a fan of the "Okay, breed this pokemon until you get the best stats possible, then level it up like mad to level 50, and fight everyone else who did the exact same thing, thusly nullifying exactly what you did to yours."


I'd be more down if it was like "Pick 6-8 normal pokemon under level 35 which you catch in your game. No breeding, no trading. Whatever your game has in it, and whatever you're able to catch and raise yourself, is what you get."

To me, that seems a lot more fair than "Make sure it's an aggresive type so it levels up mostly in attack and defense."

That, is my gripe with it.

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Andrew, if you don't mind, you could find out what tier each persons mons are from, and then if their list works out then we won't redraft for them and just use the 6 that conform to a fair system.

But say they have too many top tiers (like Rock for instance), they have to pick two of them and throw the others out. If anyone is lacking mons from any tier, then we'll redraft those.


Or we can just redraft with those tiers in mind, draft 9 pokemon (3 from each tier) and take the banned ones out.

Let's get a public opinion on this.

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PS Why didn't the gagger just re-use his Fission Mailed account?

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We couldn't remember what his old account was! It's so obvious now.

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Breeding pokemon over and over to get the best stats is pointless unless you are trying to get a nice IV, which to me ruins the game. I don't even think about those. There is no way to find them out in-game, they weren't meant to be known. I wish they didn't exist, every pokemon should start with a 31 IV. It's totally random and out of control.

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Either way works fine with me really, i'm only really interested in finding a method that everyone agrees with that allows for some decent balance. The specific reason for the 2-2-6 thing was that it requires people to use all 3 tiers rather then 3 of each which allows people to ignore the bottom tier entirely, which is not what I would like to see. Here is the list of how everyone's draft looks.

Dylflon
High-2 (Dusknoir and Gallade)
Medium-2 (Swellow and Ninetails)
Low-6

Typhoid
High-0,
Medium-3 (Typhlosion, Yanmega, Nidoqueen)
Low-7

Frankenstan
High-2 (Togekiss, Machamp)
Medium-1 (Clefable)
Low-7

Rock Adam
High-3 (Empoleon, Scizor, Magnezone)
Medium-1 (Magmortar)
Low -6

Vampyr
High-1 (Gyarados)
Medium-3 (Clefable, Ninetails, Crobat)
Low-6

Combine 017
High-4 (Dugtrio, Magnezone, Vaporeon, Porygon-Z)
Medium-2 (Sceptile,Rotom)
Low-4

BreakABone
High-3 (Dusknoir, Mamoswine, Gengar)
Medium-1 (Claydol)
Low-6

Swan
High-3 (Vaporeon, Abomasnow, Bronzong)
Medium-2 (Weezing, Houndoom)
Low-5

BLueFire
High-4 (Gliscor, Froslass, Porygon-Z, Machamp)
Medium-2 (Omastar, Mismagius)
Low-4

TheSlyMoogle
High-1 (Rhyperior)
Medium-0
Low-9

Fox 6
High-0
Medium-3 (Claydol, Feraligatr, Ninetails)
Low-7

Suprisingly, most lists are relatively close to 2-2-6 with only a few adjustments needed. Sorry about the length of the list, but it is useful to show how some people like Theslymoogle and Fox 6 have lists that are quite bad while Combine 017 and BLueFire have very good lists.

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So the tiers break down into Overused Underused and Never Used. I find tihs both itneresting and helpful.

I think 2-2-6 is also a good way to draft this thing out. It means pretty much everyone will have 4 good Pokemon on their teams and 2 average ones to round it out. I'll start making people's roster adjustments this evening.

If anyone wants to add any input about how they think we should break the teams down on a tier based level, I'm all ears. Sorry about the confusion everyone. We'll get this down and hopefully everyone will be happy.

I guess we'll start knocking things off that are on SlyMoogle's ban list too. (Sorry about your Togekiss, Andrew)

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Are you going to redraft everyones pokemon or do I get to choose some to get rid of?

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That's more like it, yes. Except you have to choose two from your list of best pokemon to get rid of and get crappier ones instead.

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Once you decide to do redrafts, I would like my zangoose and togekiss redrafted, thanks.

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Before I can balance everything I need some people to decide on who they want redrafted.

Rock Adams needs to get rid of either empoleon, Scizor, or Magnezone.

Vampyr needs to get rid of either Clefable, Ninetails, or crobat.

Combine needs to get rid of two of the following:Dugtrio, Magnezone, Vaporeon, Porygon-Z

BreakABone needs to get rid of Dusknoir, Mamoswine, or Gengar

Swan will have Bronzong removed.

BlueFire needs to drop 2 of the following: Gliscor, Froslass, Porygon-Z, Machamp

Sly - you get to drop 3 of any Pokemon besides Rhyperior.

Fox - Drop Claydol, Feraligatr or Ninetails plus any two of your other Pokemon.

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Wait ok I'm lost here in this thread now?

I was under the impression that we would redraft based on one of these new systems entirely?

Totally confused now.

EDIT:

Oh I get it now. Hmm just not sure why some of us couldn't have complete redrafts if we wanted though. In other words I hate bug pokemans. I'll take 6 shitty pokemans as long as most of them aren't bugs. :D

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Don't worry. You'll get your good mons. Just pick your 3 worst ones and jettison them.

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Illumise, Beautifly and Butterfree.

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Hmmm, lets see. I will keep dugtrio because I need a ground type. (although he is kind of lame.) and ill keep porygon-Z cause I dont know what it does.

Get rid of:
-magnazone
-vaporion

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Drop Claydol, beautfly, aridos, and persian

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Drop crobat.

never really liked that pokemon.

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Ok.

Can I get my redraft soon prz?

Also I need people to PM me with what pokemans you do not have and need to acquire.

Basically I'll be in Chicago tomorrow night until Thursday and during the daytime I'll probably have nothing to do so I need to know what mons I'm getting for everyone and also need to get crazy with my own mons. Something to do. Either this or I'll end up playing some shitty MMORPG that is free to play.