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Beat it! I clocked in at juuuuuust under 24 hours. The game was fucking amazing. Like I said to bird on the phone before.. great game or greatest game?

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I havent logged too long in it yet.
I'm still at the very beginning in Act I, just finished fighting the FROGS.
I havent had time to play it the past couple days.

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In terms of story, characters, and presentation this tears Gears up and pretty much any other game. Gears is still my favorite just because of the sick ass gore and endless fun I get out of it, but MGS4 was just a completely different, amazing experience.

Trust me, I still love and love and love and love the stop n' pop, gory as fuck Gears of War. ;)

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if you liked the story in this you would like MGS3 the most imo

depending on what you liked about it

MGS1 and 2 remain the top tier to me. MGS4 combines the best and worst of 2 and 3 in terms of story.

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half way/nearly finished act 2. I love when the acts start up, sounds like some tribal african noises :)

Raiden kicks ass when he kills those mooing robots.

Oh and I really felt sorry for the laughing octopus lady :(

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Act IV ... finished it about 30 minutes ago. That was intense.

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Spoiler much? Also, it's kinda obvious when in the trailer Meryl still looks young.

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I think I'm up to act iv now. Man this game is amazing. Big mama is very very cool.

I haven't felt so passionate about a game since Super Mario Galaxy. This game makes me want to play more and more and more. And just when I Tell myself "ok Rob, get past this point then save" I want to find out more and keep playing. Now that's the sign of a king game :)

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That's basically how I felt too. I beat it over the weekend, basically did it in two sittings (two super long sittings) cause I couldn't get enough. The story, just like most MGS games, just keeps pulling you deeper and deeper in.

As for GM's "spoiler", I've known that fact for over a year now. o.o So I guess it isn't to bad of one. But I hope people here are generally respectful about the plot. I see why reviews left out so many facts, it makes the game a lot more special.

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Awesome.

This epic game almost made me burst into fucking tears when I finished it.


FREAKING AWESOME.

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Just finished Act 4. I wonder how many acts there are.

I love this game!!!! When I bought the ps3, overall the system left a bitter taste in my mouth. The controller, the interface, the packaging. Now that i'm playing MGS4, I'm loving it more than ever.

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ok just finished it in 20 hours.

What a rollercoaster. Tears rolled down my eyes at certain stages. This game is definitely one of a kind in terms of it's presentation and cinematics/storyline. Gameplay.........nothing majorily fresh, but it doesn't matter, still disagree with the 10's given by IGN, but god damn i loved it. 9.7/10 for me

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really

you can quantify your experience down to decimal points?

yikes

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I don't know.. I think it was worthy of a 10 personally. Its kinda like the end of an era, this game wrapped up a series that keps reinvententing itself and kept getting 9.7-9.9 scores. IN the whole action game world, its rare to find a series that lasted two decades and that's still one of the most quality games of its time.

I think the MGS franchise is the most memorable gaming experience I will ever have all around. I mean, there's two guys in this thread admitting the game made them cry. (this guy isn't admitting shit, but you can! :D) It just goes to show how masterful it is.

I guess the knock could be the gameplay in itself (or lack thereof it), but I think it was very polished. I'm the type that prefers to keep it classic and sneak, so I probably had to face a lot more of the environmental elements.. For one part I did do the whole run and gun thing and was shocked at how easy it was.

I dunno though. I think this is one of those games that I'll look back at, and will say is one of the big reasons I love video games. A story lke that couldn't be done justice in a theatre or in a book.

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Well good news from Japan, the game is really selling.

In its first 4 days, the numbers look like this (all versions of the game included)

476,334 units sold
77,208 PS3s sold

This makes it the highest selling PS3 game in Japan to date already...and I'm guessing worldwide sales of MGS4 will be in the 1.2-1.5 million range so far.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1215919_1124.html

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That's really impressive for Japan. This game definitely deserves the attention.

I wonder how many Japanese are actually playing with 1080p and surround? The surround is FANTASTIC and there needs to be more 1080p games on the PS3 like this.

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I know! This games surround sound it incredible, it's the first thing I noticed when starting the game up last week.

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Finally finished the game. Incredible...

The commentary in the game is amazing, too.

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I have it on 720p. Is 720p better than 1080i? It still looks damn good on 720p tho :)

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An old adage of games used to be that graphics don't make the game. Here, I have to say that cutscenes do not make a game. They appear frequently and take up so much time that they often kill any momentum that I started to get while playing it.

Massively overrated and part of a very disturbing trend that I'm starting to see in these big-budget, overhyped games being praised to the heavens by critics; I really am starting to suspect some form of payola is going on.

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I was completely the opposite. The cut scenes drew me more into the game. I would actually play the game and look forward to the cutscenes appearing (and of course loved playing the game too). There's nothing like it out there in the market and that's what I love about it.

I'd tell myself I would stop playing once I past a certain point, but I had no self control as to how much I was playing the game.

The game is hyped, but the highlight of the game is that it raises the bar again for gaming in general, just like Super Mario Galaxy did, just like GTAIV did (hmm......IMO this didn't raise it that much higher, but you know).

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That might have made sense if all the gamers here didn't love it too, and I'm suspect to believe they aren't on any kind of payroll to say they enjoyed the game.

Sometimes long cut scenes are nice. I played, beat, and enjoyed Xenosaga immensely, it had some very very long cut scenes. If the story is good enough, I don't mind at all. As long as they give you a pause button.

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I don't know about Xenosaga implements cutscenes, but I can't imagine that it could be like this. The end of Act 1 came out of nowhere. The last act perhaps the worst. You beat a boss and got such a potentially great item, and you have no one else to use it on. The scene before the last boss fight was a major offender to me as I sat there and watch and said to myself, "It really ends like this? Am I really just going to sit here and watch it?":mad:

And that, to me, is a major problem. Cutscenes should be advancing the story. They should not be where most of the action is taking place. In a game, the action should actually be in your hands.

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's mickydaniels!!

Welcome back! Why the glorious return? :D

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You sound like you didn't know what to expect from the game. Metal gear solid 1-3 were all full with long cutscenes too. As kojima said, this game is for fans of metal gear. MGS is supposed to be a story that can only be told in the game format. The thing is... the gameplay is also very good. Its not like they tossed some crappy gameplay system in between the long cutscenes *coughrpgscough*.

But everyone's entitled to their opinions. I'll be the first to admit that you're right, compared to the average game, this one does have a lot of cutscenes, and its not as gameplay focused as your average 10 game usually is.

But I'll also say that the gameplay itself is very polished in its own respect, and I didn't buy MGS4 for the gameplay, I bought it for the cutscenes. I bought it because I wanted to advance the stories of the past games that were so open ended.

You probably thought of it as "Damn, another cutscene getting in the way of the gameplay." while I thought of it as "Damn, another gameplay part I have to fight through to earn my cutscene." If I wanted a game just to run and gun, and not to care about its generic story line.. I'd play a Halo 3 or GTA4.

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Well, I actually played MGS 1-3 and the 2 MSX ones thanks to the Subsistence package. I enjoyed them all. Because of their gameplay. Maybe I'm just too old-fashioned, huh?

I'm always lurking.

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If you enjoyed the gameplay in MGS1-3, there isn't much difference.

Discounting Act 5, which was little more than an interactive cutscene throughout, Acts 1 and 2 are the logical progression of gameplay in MGS3. Act 3's stalking section and the whole of Act 4 are a return to the basic sneaking mechanics of MGS1 and 2, where you really aren't supposed to run-and-gun, even if it is a little easier now. Trying to mow through the tiny metal gear balls is annoying, but when I tried actually sneaking, it was rewarding.

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No.. seriously. Did you really expect anything else going into a MGS game? That's mind-boggling.

Do you not remember the long, long codec calls before? They've DEFINITELY shifted away from that kind of story-telling now and I applaud them. Codec calls are actually used for plot progression, rather than backstory-telling and character development.

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The cinematics before did not take up most of your gametime.
And the codec calls were long, yes. But watching is still watching, and the longest codec in MGS2 wasn't even 15 min. You sit around watching for more than 15 min at a time regularly here.

I'm not saying I didn't expect them, I didn't expect it to take up so much of the experience, because that didn't happen before.

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I started replaying Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 for the first time since 2005. Before, I wasn't sure if it was nostalgia coloring my memory, but now that I've gotten a ways into both, and with MGS4 fresh in my brain, the decline in voice acting quality after 2 is sharp. I am not sure what changed behind the scenes with who handled the NA voice acting sessions, but the delivery is just plain worse in 3 and 4 when stacked against 2.

Though I do think the actual dialogue plays a part here too, the awkwardness in how some of the lines come out is the bigger offender. When Snake and Octacon are jawing over the codec during the Tanker section, it feels natural, and while Snake still does fall into those moments where he parrots back lines, he also really seems to add to the conversation himself, which is nice.

I've read some things on how David Hayter has difficulty producing the Snake voice anymore, and it does show in 3 as his voice becomes more forced and reduced in range.

With that said, I don't think any part of the series has bad voice acting compared against its peers, but still certainly, it is a bit disappointing.

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Don't let BLue fool you! He just sat and watched me play it! He's done nothing I tell you! NOTHING

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you add so much

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It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

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Location: Toronto

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You should probably just say this was ironic, because that song is devoid of any irony. Or could you say it was ironic because she wasn't.

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That's kinda the point of the song now isn't it.

:lol: