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Bube 02-24-2008 05:18 AM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
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Originally Posted by GameMaster (Post 217198)
In the court scene with Jack, its stated that only (small number) of people survived the plane crash (which is a lie by the way). Which could mean that Claire is either still on the island, dead, or back in the 'real world' with Kate, Jack, Hurley, etc.

We do know that there's such a thing as the Oceanic 6, and it looks like those are the people "rescued" from the island, so we could assume these are the only "survivors" the world knows of. Claire may not be one of the 6, and might have asked Kate to look after him.

But the Kate-Sawyer thing is also pretty good, and before I heard the baby's name, I was thinking along the same lines. And Kate sure could have named her child Aaron as well, why not?

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Originally Posted by Bond (Post 217199)
I'm actually all caught up now. Had a Lost marathon last weekend. :)

I sure hope you're not reading anything in this thread :)

Neo 02-28-2008 12:30 PM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
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Originally Posted by Bond (Post 217194)
J.J. Abrams is starting to make this show spiral out of control just like he did with Alias in the fourth season. This upsets me.

The only thing I don't like is the fact that the island has become a war zone. Initially all we had were plane crash survivors and a mysterious island. Now everyone has guns and people are being killed left and right. Death no longer seems to matter that much.

Fox 6 02-29-2008 01:49 AM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
Well, mind time travel..........


no biggie.

GameMaster 02-29-2008 08:29 AM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
Desmond rocks the casbah!

But um, I gotta take away a few points from this week's episode for having such a limited cast.

We saw hardly any Jack. And zero screen time for: Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Sun, Ben, and Locke.

What is up with that?

Professor S 02-29-2008 08:58 AM

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Last night's episode was one of the best stand alone episodes of any televised drama I've ever seen. Its up there with Battlestar and a select few Dr. Who episodes, IMO. I was beginning to tire of the show, but last night's show wasn't just about time travel, but it was the essence of great sci-fi: An allegory for human experience.

He was saved by the reconnecting withe the one he loved.

Best episode of any show I've seen this year, and one of the best of any show in YEARS.

Plus, you get some answers and new questions:

Answer: Now we know what time period everything is taking place.
Answer: Now we know how Desmond could predict the future

Question: Are the flash forwards not really flash forwards? What if they are the continuation of simulaneous time travel and experience, kind of like what Desmond experienced, but unconcious instead of conscious.

Question: When will Faraday (love the scientific reference, BTW) need his constant?

Fox 6 02-29-2008 02:30 PM

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Question: Who opened the door on the boat to let them escape?


Swan and I think its Michael.

Swan 02-29-2008 02:42 PM

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There is no saying that everyone needs a constant. As they said in the show only certain people are affected by it. Hmmm......I just contradicted myself there....He was exposed to radiation.



But there is no guarantee that will happen to him as well. It is just a little insurance.



Say Faraday did have that happen to him, there is no guarantee that he would go to the point where he knew Desmond. Say he went to before then. Was it not said that it must be someone from both the present and the past?


Great episode

GameMaster 02-29-2008 05:14 PM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
Strangler, I believe we already knew it was 2004.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

Professor S 02-29-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster (Post 217297)
Strangler, I believe we already knew it was 2004.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

Oh, ok. I must have missed that.

Bube 02-29-2008 05:56 PM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
We know it's 04 - when Jack was brought to the Hydra, and Ben showed him the Red Sox game, he mentions the date as well, if I'm not mistaken. If not, the plane took off in September 04, so it couldn't be much further than that.

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Originally Posted by Professor S (Post 217291)
Question: Are the flash forwards not really flash forwards? What if they are the continuation of simulaneous time travel and experience, kind of like what Desmond experienced, but unconcious instead of conscious.

The same thing crossed my mind as well, but I tried not to think too hard about it, because my hands were already full with all the things I had to follow in this episode. But think about it like this - Des came and went between 2 different time zones - current (island) and past (Scotland). If the things we thought to be flashbacks were time travels, then what would the flash forwards be? Can they travel both forward and back in time, if we take the island as "current" time?

So many new questions, so confusing.. Although this episode cleared a lot of things up - at least we can speculate better about the main storyline now.

Probably the best episode of Lost - which makes it the best episode ever of anything :)

BlueFire 02-29-2008 08:00 PM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
I'm kinda not digging the introduction of time travel from last night's episode...

Typhoid 03-01-2008 11:55 AM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
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Originally Posted by BLueFire (Post 217300)
I'm kinda not digging the introduction of time travel from last night's episode...

I am.
It's not "Time Travel", and it explains Desmond's ability to know what's going to happen, and why Penny was calling the boat. It may be weak, but that's one thing they clearly tied together, so I'm not mad about it.

Fox 6 03-01-2008 04:39 PM

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Not to mention the whole Black Rock thig at the auction. Oh boy!

GameMaster 03-14-2008 06:54 AM

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Jin... dies? :(

Who the fuck cares that Michael is working as a spy for Ben aboard the boat. I mean, aside from the fact that it makes no fucking sense. But I'm sure during their strike, the writers cooked up a nice pile of shit to explain that. What, as Michael and Walt were leaving the island, did Ben send them a text message with a job offer that Michael just couldn't turn down? :rolleyes:

JIN DIES! :baby:

That was the saddest episode of television EVER.

Bube 03-14-2008 07:38 AM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
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Originally Posted by GameMaster (Post 217552)
Jin... dies? :(

Who the fuck cares that Michael is working as a spy for Ben aboard the boat. I mean, aside from the fact that it makes no fucking sense. But I'm sure during their strike, the writers cooked up a nice pile of shit to explain that. What, as Michael and Walt were leaving the island, did Ben send them a text message with a job offer that Michael just couldn't turn down? :rolleyes:

JIN DIES! :baby:

That was the saddest episode of television EVER.

GM - I wish you'd marked spoiler for that, or at least hadn't written the humongous spoiler as the first sentence of your post. Some of us still haven't had the latest episode..ahem.."broadcast" yet. :)

I know this topic is full of spoilers, but you can never be sure if a post is about the latest episode or a discussion on the previous ones.

Angrist 03-14-2008 11:31 AM

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GM doesn't care about spoilers anymore. This is like the 3rd big one in 3 weeks.

GameMaster 03-14-2008 01:51 PM

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Sorry fellas.

But for what its worth, everything I said was actually only speculative. I did some reading up on the episode after I watched it. And it turns out everything I said was only part of an elicit dream.

Bond 03-14-2008 10:09 PM

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I'm just waiting for Walt to come back as Mr. Eko.

Zen 03-14-2008 10:27 PM

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I lost interest around the end of season 2, is this still any good?

BlueFire 03-14-2008 11:03 PM

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yeah it's good.


....poor Jin :(

Bube 03-16-2008 12:15 PM

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*Spoilers ahead*

Well, after having watched it, I have to say - I don't believe that Jin is dead. I don't really want to talk about the episode, and my theories, but his tombstone said his date of death was 22.09.2004 - the day of the plane crash. Which is impossible, because we know that Jin is alive some time past 25.12.2004.

Bond 03-16-2008 12:43 PM

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*spoilers*



Here's me theory. Has anyone seen Donnie Darko here? I think the whole tangent universe may be going on.



*spoilers*

Typhoid 03-16-2008 01:32 PM

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If there's a person in a bunny suit, I'm gonna shit bricks.

Bube 03-16-2008 04:07 PM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
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Originally Posted by Bond (Post 217583)
*spoilers*



Here's me theory. Has anyone seen Donnie Darko here? I think the whole tangent universe may be going on.



*spoilers*

I've been comparing Lost to Donnie Darko ever since..the middle of the 2nd season - although I don't really remember why I started to think this. But, for example, Desmond's time-traveling consciousness seems to fit into this theory. As well as some other stuff.

But this still doesn't explain the mysteries of the island, of Walt and all the other things that have boggled our minds..

GameMaster 03-16-2008 07:02 PM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bube (Post 217581)
*Spoilers ahead*

Well, after having watched it, I have to say - I don't believe that Jin is dead. I don't really want to talk about the episode, and my theories, but his tombstone said his date of death was 22.09.2004 - the day of the plane crash. Which is impossible, because we know that Jin is alive some time past 25.12.2004.

Its a part of the cover up. And Jin is actually still on the island. And even though Jack and Sun want to go back, they can't. Because once you leave the island, you can never find it again.

Unless... Ben knows of a way...

Bube 03-19-2008 03:42 PM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
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Originally Posted by GameMaster (Post 217593)
Its a part of the cover up. And Jin is actually still on the island. And even though Jack and Sun want to go back, they can't. Because once you leave the island, you can never find it again.

Unless... Ben knows of a way...

There's too much talk of a cover up. I just have a feeling that it isn't a cover up, and something more complex, something along the lines of Desmond's travels.

GameMaster 03-19-2008 04:58 PM

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Well, it seems like the Oceanic Six were all given a large sum of money. Maybe it was part of a lawsuit or they were just awarded it for all the distress the plane crash has caused them.

But I'm sure part of the deal is that in exchange for the money, they keep hush about all the dead people in the ocean just being placed there as part of an elaborate staging.

I also think maybe they made some kind of pact with everyone who stays on the island instead of going back home. Cause I know Sawyer and Locke don't want to go back.

So if Jack and the other five tell the world they were the only ones that survived, no one will go back looking for the people who remain.

Bube 03-20-2008 08:01 AM

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I just thought about something - the ones that might be left behind are the ones with no families,nobody to know they're gone. Jin, Sawyer, Locke.. People would go looking for bodies of their families - but these don't have families..

Damn, this took half an hour to write on a cell phone.. :)

GameMaster 03-21-2008 07:15 AM

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spoiler
















Thank God they finally killed Rosseau. That lady was a flaming nut-job. I never liked her.

And Sayid gets a thumbs-down from me this week for turning in Michael to the Captain.

It's finally becoming clear that Ben Linus is actually a good guy. And this Widmore character is actually the evil villain.














/spoiler

Fox 6 03-21-2008 12:10 PM

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Actually GM Id say that Ben is the lesser of two evils, but not by much.


remember that .....

SPOILER





he killed his fahter and a bunch of other people.





SPOILER

Bond 03-21-2008 01:19 PM

Re: LOST : season 4
 
What does everyone think about the island not letting Michael kill himself?

Personally, I don't think it really has to do with the island per say, but has to do with the distortion of time. Perhaps he can't kill himself because he's still alive on the island? Or perhaps time travels in reverse on the island, so he couldn't kill himself back in the "real world" because he's already lived past that moment?

Typhoid 03-21-2008 01:49 PM

Re: LOST : season 4 *spoilers*
 
I missed the episode, does someone mind filling me in in a multi-spoiler post on every little insignificant detail?

GameMaster 03-21-2008 04:35 PM

Re: LOST : season 4 *spoilers*
 
spoiler





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Originally Posted by Lostpedia.com

It is some time after Michael and Walt left the Island. Late at night, Michael sits in his dingy apartment in Manhattan, writing something. When he is finished, he exits his residence, enters his car, and pins the message he just wrote to his lapel, driving out into the night. He careens down by a pier before intentionally crashing his car into a shipping crate.

Michael wakes up in a hospital, sharing a room with another, older man. This "older man" appears similar in appearance to Locke's father, Anthony Cooper. The attending nurse enters and Michael recognizes her as Libby, whom he shot while on the island. Michael starts screaming and quickly realizes he was dreaming when "Libby" disappears. The real nurse enters and explains that he was found badly hurt with no identification, only a letter pinned on himself, addressed to a Walt. She asks if she should call Walt, and Michael shakes his head "no".

Michael later goes to his mother's home, full of Christmas decorations, asking to see Walt, but she refuses. She says that Michael gave his right as a father when he began keeping secrets from his mother, including where they have been for the past two months and why they have false names and identities. She then adds that Walt has nightmares every night and doesn't want to see his father because the latter said something to him previously. Michael then leaves, and sees Walt (not much older than when he left the Island) at his window, who turns away.

Michael then goes to a pawn shop and exchanges the Rolex watch Jin gave him for a gun and a box of ammunition, then proceeds to a back alley to commit suicide. Just moments before he pulls the trigger, he is stopped by an "old friend": Tom. Michael shoots but Tom avoids the shot. After a fight between the two, Tom informs Michael that the Island won't let him kill himself, whatever the way, and that Michael still has "work to do". Tom tells Michael to try again killing himself with the gun if he doesn't believe him. In any case, Tom will be at a penthouse suite of a New York hotel. A short while later, Michael attempts suicide with the gun in his apartment, but the revolver does not fire. He checks to make sure it's loaded, and, though the cylinder has 6 bullets in it, none even have an indentation from a firing pin. About to try again, he is interrupted by the news on television of the discovery of the Oceanic 815 wreck. The 324 passengers have been confirmed dead.

Confused by this, he meets Tom at the hotel, who is enjoying the company of Arturo. After asking Arturo to leave, Tom explains to Michael that the wreckage a fake, staged by "a man named Widmore" to keep others from looking in the right place where the real plane crashed: the Island. Widmore wants to keep the Island for himself and will kill everyone on it if he isn't stopped. With Michael's help, Widmore's freighter, the Kahana, can be stopped and all occupants of the Island can be saved. Tom then tells Michael that he has a job on the freighter and that his alias on the boat will be Kevin Johnson, and hands him a fake U.S. Passport. Michael questions why he would go back to work for "you people", and protests that he won't go back to the Island, but Tom sells it as his only opportunity to redeem himself for what he did; and that he won't be going back to the island: His mission will be to get on the boat, and "kill everyone on board".

While boarding the freighter at the Port of Suva, Fiji, Michael meets Minkowski and Naomi who informs him that he received a package that will be delivered to his room. Michael/Kevin then meets Miles, who "knows" that Kevin is not his real name. Miles then adds to not to worry as 80 percent of the people on the boat have a secret of some kind. Michael begins to have second thoughts about killing off everyone on board as he has now "put faces with names", but a phone call from Tom reminds him to follow through if he wants to save the remaining 815 survivors living on the island. While the ship is underway, Frank wants to be the first on the Island as he is the trained pilot here, but Naomi refuses, stating that the scientific team has priority over everyone else. Frank wants to know why but Naomi doesn't answer. Michael then meets Frank, who confides that he knows that the Oceanic 815 wreckage is a fake. Frank muses the idea to meet survivors from the crash.

Days later, at full sea, Michael hears guns being fired. He goes to the deck and sees Omar and Keamy, amongst other, firing guns. Shocked to discover this, Michael underlines the fact that it is supposed to be a rescue mission, but Keamy only brushes off the remark. Moments later, Michael is in his room, looking at the package. He opens it and finds a case. With the case, he goes to the engine room and finds inside the case a bomb. Michael inputs the combination for the bomb but hesitates to push the EXECUTE button to set off the bomb. Suddenly, he hears the same music he was listening to on the car when he tried to commit suicide. He then quickly sees Libby that tells him to "not do it", but it seems to only be hallucinations. Michael then proceeds and pushes the EXECUTE button. 20 seconds pass but the bomb doesn't explode. Instead, a note appears that says "NOT YET".

Later on, Michael plays with a ball in his quarters when Minkowski tells him that the he has a phone call from a person named Walt. After Minkowski gives Michael some privacy with the man on the phone, it turns out that "Walt" is actually Ben, phoning from the Island. Ben informs Michael that there are innocent people on the freighter, and that the plan was never to kill them all, because Ben isn't that kind of person. He gave the fake bomb to Michael to show him the difference between a man without a conscience, Widmore, and himself. Even in a war, he doesn't want to kill innocents. Michael tells Ben that Libby and Ana-Lucia were innocent, but Ben replies that Michael himself killed them, the Others didn't ask for their death. Ben then orders Michael to get him a list of everyone on board, report the list back to him, and then disable both the radio and engine so that they cannot go on the Island, therefore saving the people on it. Michael is obviously shook up, but Ben tells him that he can consider himself now "one of the good guys".


Bond 03-21-2008 05:16 PM

Re: LOST : season 4 *spoilers*
 
All previous LOST episodes are also available over at abc.com in streaming HD:

http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/...lMenu&lpos=FEP

Bube 03-21-2008 06:21 PM

Re: LOST : season 4 *spoilers*
 
This last episode changed the way I look at Lost. I'm not going to think about it anymore, I'm just going to watch it just like I watch Everybody Loves Raymond. No more theories, no more details. My head's about to explode.

Fox 6 04-05-2008 07:45 PM

Re: LOST : season 4 *spoilers*
 
So by now you might have noticed that its in repeats, hopefully not for long. They chose a hell of a time :(. Are any of our new memmbers LOST fans?

Bube 04-06-2008 07:57 AM

Re: LOST : season 4 *spoilers*
 
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Originally Posted by Fox 6 (Post 218585)
So by now you might have noticed that its in repeats, hopefully not for long. They chose a hell of a time :(. Are any of our new memmbers LOST fans?

It's because of the strike. They had written these 8 episodes before the strike, and they were filming them. When the strike began, they of course, couldn't write anymore. So now we have to wait about 20 more days for the new episodes.


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