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mine always says ask again later. :(

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Yup.....I'm going to back Null up on this topic. The amount of fanboyism on this forum is sickening. You people would rather pledge your soul to Nintendo then move on. Some people are just afraid of change I guess....

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Do you even know what GameTavern originally was Gremlin?

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Lol, he thinks this is fanboyism?

Does he not know that this is nothing?

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I'm gonna tackle a lot here, so bear with me. Remember, this is all opinions. Everyone has personal bias, and obviously mine is with Nintendo, just like other people here are for Sony, Micro$oft, or whoever.

If you're dropping down the cash for every single platform out there, I don't think money is a big concern for you.

I find GC controller most comfortable, PS2 controller most versatile, XBOX controller....is good for halo.

Nintendo takes risks left and right if they feel it would add enjoyment. You can't tell me that Pikmin and cel shading Zelda were results of deciding what is best for profit.

Wow. Let's see.

Xbox Live and Eye Toy have both been done on PC for as long ages and ages. It can hardly be considered "innovative". The only thing innovative about Xbox Live was the timing.

Who made Game and Watch? And touch screen and wireless networking and microphone are more than rehashing.

I mentioned Sony because you talked about Nintendo as a third party developer, which would include Sony.

Finally, no negative connotations to the idea of being with Microsoft?

One word: Rare.

Call me old-fashioned, but when I mention multiplayer, I don't mean online gaming. When I want online gaming, I'll mention online gaming. See, I've played XBox Live and PS2 Online. Just because I only talk about Cube doesn't mean I haven't placed some time into other consoles. XBox Live is great in theory, but then you play it, and it's a bunch of ****in twelve year old kids yelling and doing stupid ****. You can't control it. I don't know these people. Do you? It's like playing with a bunch of bots with poor grammatical skills. The one time I had fun on XBox Live was when I XBox Lived with people I know.

The most fun I've ever had multiplayer (excluding LAN parties, although this tops those in most cases) is 4 players, in the same room, trash talking and fighting and cheering and chest bumps all around. Nintendo owns all three categories when it comes to straight out four player fun. Beach Spikers, Mario Kart, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Sports games (NBA Street Vol 2, Sega Soccer Slam, NHL games, etc), F-Zero, Smash Bros Melee, Super Monkey Ball, and basically every good 4 player game available on all consoles.


You can use makeshift terms like "fanboy" or whatever you want. I've tried other systems... I owned a PSX and my buddies own Xbox and PS2 and I've played a hell of a lot of them... but they aren't the same. Everyone tells me PSX won the console war of the era, but they didn't in my mind. I had the mod chip and burned games... I tried to not be a "fanboy" like I was told I was. But it didn't work. Nintendo for life doesn't mean we'll hate them if they go to another company. I wouldn't boycott them in the least, I just probably wouldn't buy a console by someone else. Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't. Who knows.

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Microsoft hasnt done anything bad to rare tho, they havnt forced them to change the way they do anything. if microsoft did do that, if they did step in and say do this or that. Xbox would probably have a couple more Rare games right now. Rare seems to be doing exactly the same as they had done before. i personally believe nintendo kinda saw this coming in them, and sold them for good reason.

But i believe MS is letting rare work how rare wants.


and you keep bringing up the word fanboy whenever you talk to me, its like you want me to call you that or something, well im not and i wont. totally not the point of anything im saying.

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I'm sorry but I'm going to have to support Null on this one, because I agree with him wholeheartedly. Every single company is in it for the money, nuff said.

If you want Nintendo to win in a console war, put it in it's own category called "Just Games!" and every other console will compete in their own console war in a category called "Changing the Times"

I also laughed really hard, and had lots of LOL's when I saw Null replied to that post,
"Nintendo for life" and pointed out how the majority of people in this thread said they would give up gaming if Nintendo went third party.

I said... majority.... and you people know who you are, so if you didn't say you'd give up gaming don't reply saying "I never said I would."

It's a hardcopy fact that each company does it for the money. Sony I would have to say is a big money cruncher considering they require you to buy accessories to spruce up their system. (ala Multitap). But we all know each company has their way of sucking money out of their customers.

Sega was almost as old as Nintendo and they are making good money as third party support. Nintendo in my opinion is losing ground, and no matter how much of a fan of Nintendo you are, you cannot deny that fact.

The demograph that we saw showed that Gamecube owners were losing ground to even Xbox owners. I won't even mention Sony because they owned every country.

So between Xbox and GameCube, Xbox has been gaining in on Nintendo step by step and I feel its only a matter of time before Nintendo sells.

(And awaits the abundance of rebuttles and arguements)

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So am I. :(

First off, I only saw maybe two people say they would give up gaming if Nintendo goes out of the console business. Now, since somebody happened to say that, you are using that to categorize all of us opposing viewpoints. That is silly so you should stop bringing that up. The people who did say that haven't thought about it, or were just joking.

Second, you guys keep saying that these are companies and companies try to make money. Well, guess what? Nintendo made more than XBox this console war because they didn't have to take a loss on their hardware. Plus, they have the handheld market (for now). Even if PSP takes a foothold, you cannot deny that they will have the majority for at least this generation.

So, Nintendo is not going broke, so it really doesn't have to worry about going third party. My feeling is it still has a console or two under it's belt before it gets hard to tell whats going to happen.

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The reason thats the main point of the argument in this thread is because thats what the thread was started on. the rest of the thread really is an argument about that point. its not that one just happened to wonder in and say it, is that the thread was started on that exact thought. no ones catagorizing everyone, its was just still a debate about that original thought.

at this point its way too early of who will have the majority in the handheld market for this generation. if your already ruling sony out i'd say your way ahead of yourself. right now its up for grabs. either could end up taking majority. odds are for nintendo, but that doenst mean anyone else has no shot.

and the discussion was never about who made more money on each console. it was about the fact that they are trying to make money. This point was not brought up to say nintendo is failing, it was brought up because someone said nintendo's the only one who makes games just for enjoyment. which is wrong, they do it to make money. That said, even if one company makes much more on each console sold, that doesnt mean they're doing better, the other company could be selling way way more and getting more because of it. Nintendo does not have to go bankrupt to sell, they just have to be hit with a deal they really like.

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well said...

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You have to be a realist and understand that even if Sony does incredibly well, they will not take the majority away from Nintendo in one generation. If they did very well and then made another handheld, that one might be able to take the lead. I never said they couldn't do well this generation, I said that they would not take the majority hold Nintendo has right away. It will take time, and one generation is not enough.

Second, you are speaking in a generality and not looking at facts. Xbox sold some more than Nintendo, but Nintendo had a profit margin that was much greater than Microsofts. We all know Microsoft didn't make much money this time around. So, why try to argue that? I understand that Microsoft needed to take a hit in profits in order to break into the market, and thats fine. But stop trying to suggest that they made it up in quantity because it wasn't much higher than Nintendo.

Nintendo is not near ready to sell, so of course, Microsoft could keep throwing bigger offers at them, but they are going to have to make a huge deal to get Nintendo to crumple with the current state of things. Like I have said, its hard to tell much farther then Revolution because we don't know how it is going to fare, but for right now, I think Nintendo is making plenty of money with what they are doing.

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I'm pretty sure you're referring to me. What I said was "I don't want games pumped out for money rather than enjoyment." All of a sudden, this is interpreted by everybody as "Nintendo is the only one who makes games that are fun, they don't care about money, Sony and Microsoft are moneywhores." That's not what I'm saying at all. Nintendo is in it to make a profit. That's obvious. It's why they didn't go into online gaming, it's why they do a lot of things. However, I see them a little less into profit than the other companies. Nintendo is dropping money into games like Pikmin, Donkey Konga, DK Jungle Beat etc etc. They changed Zelda, a beloved franchise, into a cartoony game. I don't know Microsoft and Sony's funded games, but i'm pretty sure most of them have been pretty safe bets : shooters, racing games, RPGs, etc.

The bottom line for all companies is profit, but I find Nintendo to be one company that cares a bit more about trying new gaming ideas that they think are fun.

Exactly. A lot of people here are confusing being bought out with going bankrupt. The discussion is not "will Nintendo go bankrupt?", it's "Will Nintendo be bought by Microsoft". The answer to both questions, in my opinion, is no. The most I could see with Nintendo is a merger, but I can't see it with Microsoft... they're too American of a company (although that'd be beautiful for Xbox, they'd have good hold in the American market, and they'd finally be able to get some share in the Japanese market as well.)

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you said this generation. which means DS vs PSP. and what i said its up for grabs of which sells more and has the bigger percent of the market for this gen. which is true.
im not sure what your getting at tho. are you saying total? as in GB, GBC GBA etc. ? i hope not cuz thats majorly stating the obvious and something that needs not be said. if your talkin every handheld ever, then i'd say GBA will own more of the market then either DS or PSP. but thats a pointless discussion to be having.

you are totally not getting what im saying tho. im not speaking in anything because i dont know where your getting this topic from, i've never talked about who sold more. i dont care who sold more, i dont care how much money each makes. what im saying is, and only this. -- they all want to make money --. so why do you keep bringing up who makes more or less? its still making money.

the other part was a hypathetical responce to what you said. i think your taking in real companies and using them in my hypothetical situation, but im not sure why. i never said MS makes more in quantity, YOU came up with that yourself. all i said is its possible for one making less on each console to make more total. dont stick names into things i said and say i said em. please.

of course they have plenty of money. i have not seen one person dissagree with that. who said they arent?
Fact tho, you dont know if nintendo is ready to sell or not. all you know is that they arent in money trouble. im not saying they're ready to sell. but i sure as hell dont know whats going through thier minds. Microsoft could be ready to sell to nintendo for all i know. no one knows whats going to happen. crazy things happen all the time. as i said, nintendo does not have to be in money trouble to sell.


and to clearify again so we dont keep going into an argument over thigns we agre on..

I dont care who sells more
Nintendo makes a bigger profit on each console sold.
Nintendo is not in money trouble.
and all im saying is they're all trying to make money.


So my question im leaving you with, is what exactly are we arguing about?


i agree with everything you said, but this line is very well put. because its something thats always bothered me. they make games and new ideas that THEY think are fun. i really wish they'd listen to what everyone else thinks is fun. not totally, i like that they come up with some stuff. but i wish they'd listen more. kind of a compramise between the 2.

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Maybe this will end this debate that could go on forever.

What are we arguing about? We are arguing about if Nintendo is doomed. Which the answer to that is NO.

Would it be dissapointing or sad day if Nintendo was bought? YES.

Would most people like to see Nintendo get bought out? NO.

Will people stop playing games if Nintendo is bought out? maybe an extremely small percentage.

Does Nintendo have the tendency to be considered more innovated? YES.

Is it possible that Nintendo could get bought out? YES.

Is it likely that Microsoft will buy Nintendo? NO.

So there you go, answers to all our questions.

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Agreed. That's like saying "Nintendo sold so many SNES consoles, they're obviously going to beat out Sony's Playstation with their next system." Way too early to call.

Nothing, really.

Yeah, that's why I phrased it that way. Nintendo does what Nintendo thinks is best, whether it is or not. It's a double edged sword - I like it most of the time, sometimes I wish that they'd just figure out what the public wants. For the most part though, I like what Nintendo does.

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Best post in this topic yet.

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arguments are fun tho as long as they dont turn into personal attacks or things that would make people angry. thats what forums are for; discussing things. :)

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Yay!! :beerchug: We've settled a long arguement. Now... heres fun with smilies... you guys can join in too as some of you might disagree with these smilies:

:PS2: does...
:bonk: :boxing:
to...
:GC: and :Xbox:

hahahaha! lol....i know... its such a fanboy thing to do... but really after all those debates... i can't help myself

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I've been here nearly as long as you, and yes, I know this forum is one of the two spawns of a Nintendo-fanboy forum. Ironically, I grew up. Being a fanboy sucks. It really does. But whatever floats your boat. No one here is a hardcore fanboy, but some of the reactions to Nintendo going third party have been harsh.

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I think I just like arguing with you, Null :D

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Just because I have a preference means I'm still acting like a 10 year old? Wow, thanks

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Totally, you bring up some good points and you know your stuff.

+ rep for Null

You are the definetly the Master Debater. lol :D

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Whee.

Never had a Nintendo console break except for my original GB after it "fell" out of a 10 story building.

My Sony TV only lasted 25 years. Pathetic.

Never owned any hardware made by Microsoft but I did "abuse" my roommate's Xbox when he wasn't there. Quite durable indeed.


If Nintendo were to be a 2nd party I would rather have them develop for Microsoft. 25 years for a TV just doesn't cut it...

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I've said this many times... you can compare nintendo to the Mac... superior but have a cult like fan base... not going anywhere at anytime...


sony is like microsoft windows (pc) inferior technology and games (in my opinion) but sells more because the world is sold on ps2...

i play my xbox the most probably, like more games on the cube and they wont ever catch up to sony, but nintendo will never drop hardware.....


in other news the new cell chip for the PS3 is crap.... sony admitted it themselves:


translation: "cell chip isn't going to be able to work the way we want it to in the PS3... We suck hardcore"

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:rolleyes:

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Didnt Sony hype cell to be eleventy billion times faster then any PC Processor :p (I'm being sarcastic, OK?)

But oh well. Every company is gonna have to cut corners from their hype

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Hmmm, interesting, but no unexpected.

You have to think. Would Sony be willing to pay so much money to get the very best Cell chip? It is probably too costly to do that, so they are going to go with a good, economic version. It makes sense.

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It took me a very long time to collect every system. I just got my Xbox back in January, so I havn't had all three systems for very long. I got a GCN for Christmas (it was my very first console for this generation), and then I saved up and bought a PS2 the summer following, and then a couple years later got the Box. I'm not rich, I just manage my money well enough so that I can eventually get the things I want. I would be much happier if I could have put that money I spent on a GCN into buying more games for the other two systems.


Good for you. That's really a matter of personal opinion, I have nothing against the GCN controller, it just doesn't seem to be really GREAT for anything.


I said that Nintendo was in it for the money (which they are), but in no way did I say they were doing a good job of it. It's easy to see they are being stupid about their marketing. They make their system look like a purple purse, they REFUSE to listen to their fans by designing a cel shaded Zelda and not going online. If they aren't trying to please us, then what the hell are they doing? Why do they want to make things that their fans don't want?

They are definatly in it for the money, they just aren't being smart about it. Take their memory cards for example. It took them FOREVER just to release a memory card with over a 1000 blocks on it, and by then it was too late. We already had a crap load of their other measly memory cards. Are you saying that things like small memory cards are an innovation as well? I think Nintendo has fallen into the idea that if they make ANYTHING different, for better or worse, they are being innovative.


You do know the definition of the word "innovative", right? It means "new" and "different". PC may have had online gaming and an eye toy product (I'm not sure about the latter, I'm just taking your word for it), but a CONSOLE didn't, therefore it is NEW. The dreamcast was online, but never before had a company designed such a powerful online system that brought all gamers together and unified the monthly fees. Even PC's havn't done something like that, where you pay one fee and can play all your games online. Xbox Live was innovative, and so was the Eye Toy.

And so what if Nintendo made Game and Watch? They made it a LONG TIME AGO. You can't remake something that you did a long time ago and was innovative at the time and STILL call it innovative. The touch screen thing is cool, and it is innovative, I'll give you that, but it's nothing ground breaking.


Rare does as Rare wants. Microsoft didn't change that.