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GRRM and the showrunners have discussed it. Also, stuff happens in AFfC, its just not on the scale of ASoS or with the characters most people wanted to see.

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Everything about this season seems kind of thrown together. Were the scenes for each character a little bit longer in season 1, or am I imagining things? I know that there are more plot lines in A Clash of Kings.

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I praise this shows use of naked ladies being naked as much as nakedly possible.

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I think you answered your own question there. There are a lot of plot lines to deal with at once. I imagine as the season goes on they'll focus in on a few of them. Dany, for example, has had relatively little screen time so far. But some big things happen to her in this book.

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Last season, more characters were together so it didn't feel so spread out to switch between them. With everybody being separated now, it's going to feel more like you're just getting little snippets here and there.

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Does anyone know how long this season is?

Is it the same 10 eps?

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10 episodes, yea. Confirmed season 3 too.

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Soooo... this past episode has me wondering...

Why did the priestess of "light" shit a black could out of her vagina?

No actual spoilers please, I just found that part to be VERY interesting.

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She did say something before about shadows being the servants of light and the children of fire.

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Ok, that makes more sense then. I'm curious to see where the first real fantasy element (besides baby dragons) takes the story.

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I've been waiting patiently to see that moment no screen, and holy shit did it deliver.

Shadows are the servants of light, exactly. And also if you remember, Stannis had sex with her and this is the offspring. Basically the dragons returning to the world is bringing rise to magic, which was long forgotten to be real, just like the "Others" beyond the Wall that no one wants to believe exist. Ice and Fire!

I have a bunch of dumb friends who haven't read the book and spoiled themselves online to find out what purpose the shadow baby has. Don't do this to yourself...

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I had to convince my wife to not look anything up. Can't wait for the next episode.

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Every time I read your comments, I realize how little I still remember from the books. But I do remember more and more magic coming into the world. :)

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This is the only show I refuse to ever visit the IMDbs forums for.

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I don't plan on spoiler-ing myself on what the whole smoke monster is about.
Although that was one long queef she had going there.

But I'm 100% assuming it's just going to lay waste to the entire army. Just spread out like a fog and choke them all or something crazy like that. Maybe something more epic. Some type of unpredictable explosion would be neat.

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Oooooooooooooooooooooooh I remember now!!!! :D Haha, I've had this vague picture in my head ever since you wrote about that scene... Suddenly I remembered what that picture is.

But I don't think it's going to happen in the next episodes? Hm I could be confusing things here.... Oh well, whatever.

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Just another reason to think gingers are evil.

Spawning.. shadow children!

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The actress is Dutch by the way. And she's not a natural ginger.

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Honestly I preferred how it was handled in the book. Don't even think about reading this if you haven't read the books.

Basically I liked how in the book when the shadow first shows up and kills Renly, it is the first time really hearing about it. You figure it is Stannis and has something to do with Red Woman but you don't know for sure. Kind of left you guessing more. Opposed to seeing it first then guess what it will do. I honestly think having Renly murdered by a never before seen shadow would have been so much more bad asss

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Just wanted to add that its also been confirmed that season 3 will not contain the whole of A Storm of Swords. The shows frontrunners have been quoted as saying that they don't see each season as an adaptation of each book, but rather each season is simply a part of their adaptation of the whole "A Song of Ice and Fire" series.

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Probably because Martin needs time to write his last books. :p

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Actually I read an interview with the show's writers/producers where they explained that Martin has gone over with them the entire length of the story and all the major events leading up to the ending. They've teased that they know how the story ends, and so the show will work its way towards that ending with or without the final books.

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Good episode.
+1 relevant post.

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Horrible episode. This show just keeps getting worse and worse.
Peter Dinklage is the worst actor in the world!
The story is so boring and bland.

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This episode was quite different from the books.

That hasn't really happened before.

I don't know what to think.

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My post was a lie.
I just wanted to see if people still watched the show and read this thread.

It wasn't highly memorable, but I didn't dislike it.

I did hear the same complaint from peeps who read the book, who I watched the show with. Well, not so much complaints but just comments that it differed from the book.

One of them justified it that the writer of the book told them to do it, as a hindsight correction to his own story. Sort of like how the young characters are scaled up in age; he said if he could re-write it for the book, he'd make them all the age they are in the show.

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Heh, that's interesting - my wife and I were just talking a few days ago about how in the books it seemed like he didn't really understand how people that young actually acted or thought. The characters in the books always felt several years older than he said they were.

I'm not too bothered about it being different from the books, I'm sure it will be interesting regardless.

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Since I haven't read the books; what exactly was different?

Just the timing of events, or specific events? Just throw up some spoiler tags.

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Little bit of all of that.


Bran and Rickon are supposed to be hiding in the tomb below the castle. They don't escape until much later.

Jon doesn't meet the wildling girl until much later, after "joining" the wildlings. She doesn't know he is from night's watch.

The dragons don't get stolen.

Arya doesn't get almost found out, and doesn't have that guy kill the person he did.

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The changes are totally not big at all and are completely blown out of proportion by die-hard fans who have been living with this story for over a decade. The truth is, there's a ton of fat being trimmed from the books, and rightfully so. Some events that happen a bit later are happening a bit sooner, and vice versa. Changes like the dragons being stolen really don't impact the story at all, it just creates a bit of extra drama for TV, and lets be honest here Dany's story in the second book is boring as hell, she barely does anything, and literally has only 5 chapters in the entire book. They're making her story a bit more interesting, thank god

This was a masterful episode. Completely awesome, with surprises even for a book reader like myself. I thought it was easily one of the best of the entire series so far and the mention of the Bastard of Bolton chills my fucking blood and excites me greatly for what is to come.

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Just so you know I wasn't complaining at all, I don't really care what they do as long as it's interesting. I can't wait for the book 3 Dany stuff to happen. (I think that's in book 3...maybe in the end of book 2).

The one thing that is kind of significant is that the Wildling girl knows who Snow is. That was pretty suspenseful in the book - you really feel sorry for the girl and wonder how Jon is going to deal with telling her.

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Sorry didn't mean to make it sound like it was you complaining, I meant fans in general, like I see them all over the internet, plaguing every forum, making it completely insufferable to have any kind of decent conversation about the show.

About your spoiler: it's been a long time since I read this book, but the way it happened in the show, is pretty much how I remembered it happening. I guess I'm probably wrong, but I totally thought it was legit. Didn't she call him a crow every now and then? All the dudes in the wildling camps hated him because they knew he was a crow, they all taunted him and she'd stand up for him, from what I recall. Also when they fuck for the first time, she was all like "is this how boys do it down south?" or something. The way I remember it, she falls in love with a guy who has converted from being a man of the night's watch, proving himself by killing Qorin, and she genuinely believed he wanted to live as a wildling.

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Hmm, yeah, I think you're right. It's been so long since I read that book I can barely remember what happens.

I just knew watching the last episode that something felt off, but I wasn't 100% what it was.

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Didn't she call it a kingly kiss or royal kiss or something?

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This is why I'm not reading the books until the series ends. I don't want my experience convoluted by divergent story lines. I loved the last episode, even though it suffered from a severe lack of Dinklage.

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It made up for it with an abundance of Sandor.

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100% this.
Plus, I personally think it would be a lot neater to read what the characters are thinking after having seen what they've done and how they've acted, and all the choices they've made.

Unless the show drastically differs from the books in the future, then that becomes entirely pointless.

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Okay, I just finished reading all of the books less than a month ago after starting them in November, so I'll fill you guys in with what really happened in the books as opposed to what happened in the show.


Jon Snow is made to kill Ygritte after they kill the other wildings that are with her, but she gets away and he doesn't chase after her. He goes back with his companions. I won't say what happens after that because it would spoil the rest of what happens in the Frostfangs.

As Vampyr said about Bran and Rickon, they hide in the crypt and escape later, but a lot of other stuff happens at Winterfell that probably won't be addressed, and there was a conversation between Robb Stark and Roose Bolton(of the Dreadfort) that covered for this.

Also, before Theon captures Winterfell, a girl named Meera Reed and her brother Jojen Reed come from the Greywater Watch, which is at the bottom edge of the north, to tell Bran about "green dreams" that Jojen was having regarding him, which match up with his three eyed crow dream. They completely omitted these characters in the show, but they're really important. They are with Bran and Rickon when the escape. I don't know if they're going to be introduced in another way, so I hope I'm not ruining this for anyone reading this spoiler.

Petyr Baelish never meets with Catelyn Stark down in the Stormlands when she visits Renly Baratheon He also never goes to Harrenhal to meet with Tywin Lannister. The tickler isn't the one who is supposed to be killed in Harrenhal by Jaqen H'ghar, and lastly they changed Theon's sister's name from Asha to Yara. I don't know why they changed her name, but maybe it was too close to the name Osha, which is the name of the wildling lady who is serving Bran at Winterfell.

As for Dany, the dragons don't get stolen, and they changed the name of the third blood rider, but I can't remember which one it was off the top of my head. I noticed this during the first two episodes of season 2. Also, they killed off one of the bloodriders, which didn't happen in the book. All three of them should still be alive. I think one of the girls who takes care of her was also killed in the last episode as well as a lot of her "khalasar", which doesn't happen in the book, but that just backs up the stolen dragon scenario that happens.

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Leaving out the Reeds is the biggest change so far... I really hope (for those who watch) that they'll be introduced later. Pretty important to Bran's story.