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GiMpY-wAnNaBe 12-16-2002 07:56 PM

Whoa Whoa Whoah...ok...all of u did what with the chicken in the wearhouse???
...:D
and btw, time is the 4th dimension, but as i forget who said it, it is all relative so therefore, i'm right and u'r all wrong :D

Xantar 12-17-2002 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by Shadow_Link
Some scientists actually believe there are up to 10 dimensions, and that there could be more.
Actually, string theory (and M theory with it) say that the universe is 11 dimensional. The math involved in that kind of stuff makes my head hurt.

And please don't ask me any details. I think you'd have to be not only a physics major but have a graduate degree as well to know what's going on.

GameMaster 12-17-2002 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by Crono
Really though, I don't think we'll ever find out anyway.
Actually, there are certain individuals who have already figured it out most likely. Steven Hawking to name one?

Angrist 12-17-2002 07:40 AM

Hmm... I believe that time isn't the 4th dimension. I mean, it's not like a direction!! It's just something in your mind....

Scientists have found properties of atoms that can't be explained in 3D, but can in like.. 11D. So that makes you wonder... perhaps we all live in a 18D world... while men can only use 3 of them...

Isn't that 'folding space' from that sci-fi thriller with Sam Neill?? What's it called... it used to be Shadow_Link's location...

Shadow_Link 12-17-2002 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by Angrist
Hmm... I believe that time isn't the 4th dimension. I mean, it's not like a direction!! It's just something in your mind....

Scientists have found properties of atoms that can't be explained in 3D, but can in like.. 11D. So that makes you wonder... perhaps we all live in a 18D world... while men can only use 3 of them...

Isn't that 'folding space' from that sci-fi thriller with Sam Neill?? What's it called... it used to be Shadow_Link's location...

The Event Horizon on the brink of a black hole.

Ah, the M-theory in an 11-dimensional theory. If I'm not mistaken, it also has an advantage over the older superstring theories of allowing a more natural merging of gravity with the other three forces.

The current leading candidate though (to my dated knowledge) for a 'theory of everything', superstrings, suggests that we live in a 10-dimensioal universe, with one dimension of time, and nine spatial dimensions. The reason we don't see any evidence for this is that the six extra dimensions of space are curled up on themselves so tightly that they cannot be observed.

Lord Germano 12-19-2002 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by Shadow_Link
The Event Horizon on the brink of a black hole.

Ah, the M-theory in an 11-dimensional theory. If I'm not mistaken, it also has an advantage over the older superstring theories of allowing a more natural merging of gravity with the other three forces.

The current leading candidate though (to my dated knowledge) for a 'theory of everything', superstrings, suggests that we live in a 10-dimensioal universe, with one dimension of time, and nine spatial dimensions. The reason we don't see any evidence for this is that the six extra dimensions of space are curled up on themselves so tightly that they cannot be observed.

Scary. I learned alot of this 10-dimensional theory from reading animorphs books :/

Anyway, back to temperature. How could temparature be a dimension? Temperature is just a messure of how fast the molecules are vibrating, so how could movement in several dimensions be labeled as another dimension, or something.

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Originally posted by Dyne
Don't people put the infinite-dimesion theory to work? I've read many theories by smart people, where there's countless dimensions, and in each dimension, it's a different, well, time. All of these dimensions could be known as Time itself. Well, I'm more of a fan of quantam physics and theory, however... because then could anyone imagine a 378943638D?

Well, in this big old Universe of ours, anything's possible.

I think your refering to the multiverse theory, but im not sure, maybe im just getting over my head. I read some article in "new scientist" where the theory was that there was a finite number of universes (A really large number to big to print, but still finite)and each one held one possibilty of what could happen in the next instance.

Eg. Your sitting on your butt reading Thatguyagain pretend to have a clue about what he's talking about. In one reality, you think "meh, this guys a moron". In another, you think "I could sure go for some nachos with ice cream". In another, you have a heart attack and drop dead.

Yeah, anyway...

Shadow_Link 12-19-2002 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by ThatGuyAgain
I think your refering to the multiverse theory, but im not sure, maybe im just getting over my head. I read some article in "new scientist" where the theory was that there was a finite number of universes (A really large number to big to print, but still finite)and each one held one possibilty of what could happen in the next instance.

Eg. Your sitting on your butt reading Thatguyagain pretend to have a clue about what he's talking about. In one reality, you think "meh, this guys a moron". In another, you think "I could sure go for some nachos with ice cream". In another, you have a heart attack and drop dead.

Yeh, I think he meant that too.

(Only read the following if you're interested).

The Schrodinger's cat thought experiment devised by Edwin Schrodinger says that a live cat and its ghost can both exist at the same time. By the way, a 'thought experiment' is not intended to be carried out 'for real', but its supposed to have such obvious implications that the result is beyond doubt.

Basically, the basis for Schrodinger's argument is the way that the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics says that a quantum entity exists in a superposition of states until it is measured, and then collapses into a definate state.

The cat in the box

Imagine takng such an electron as it emerges from an electron gun and holding it in a set of magnetic or electric fields, without trying to measure its spin immediately. The electron trap inside a piece of apparatus connected to a container of poisonous gas, and everything is sealed inside a large room where a healthy cat lives, supplied with plenty of food and water.

When the spin of the electron is eventually measured, an automatic device will release the gas and kill the cat if the spin is up, but will let the cat live of the spin is down. Schrodinger pointed out that according to the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics, everything sealed inside the room, including the cat, is in a 50:50 superposition of states until somebody 'looks' into the room and 'notices' what has happened. The cat is both dead and alive at the same time.

There are, unsurprisngly, several rival ineterpretations of quantum mechanics which try to avoid this. The one that many cosmologists like involves parallel words. For example, the moment an electron is released, the entire world splits into two copies of itself. In one, the electron has spin down and the cat lives. In the other, the electron has soin up and the cat dies. For a human observer in either world, there is still a 50:50 chance of finding a live cat when you look into the room, but neither cat is in a superposition of states.

So in extending this example, the entire Universe is multiplied into an infinite number of branches, and anything that can possible happen does happen in one (or more) of the branches of reality. Just to reiterate, this experiment really is 'all in the mind', so nothing remotely like this has even been tried with a real cat :D.

*Collapses*.

Happydude 12-19-2002 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Shadow_Link
Yeh, I think he meant that too.

(Only read the following if you're interested).

The Schrodinger's cat thought experiment devised by Edwin Schrodinger says that a live cat and its ghost can both exist at the same time. By the way, a 'thought experiment' is not intended to be carried out 'for real', but its supposed to have such obvious implications that the result is beyond doubt.

Basically, the basis for Schrodinger's argument is the way that the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics says that a quantum entity exists in a superposition of states until it is measured, and then collapses into a definate state.

The cat in the box

Imagine takng such an electron as it emerges from an electron gun and holding it in a set of magnetic or electric fields, without trying to measure its spin immediately. The electron trap inside a piece of apparatus connected to a container of poisonous gas, and everything is sealed inside a large room where a healthy cat lives, supplied with plenty of food and water.

When the spin of the electron is eventually measured, an automatic device will release the gas and kill the cat if the spin is up, but will let the cat live of the spin is down. Schrodinger pointed out that according to the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics, everything sealed inside the room, including the cat, is in a 50:50 superposition of states until somebody 'looks' into the room and 'notices' what has happened. The cat is both dead and alive at the same time.

There are, unsurprisngly, several rival ineterpretations of quantum mechanics which try to avoid this. The one that many cosmologists like involves parallel words. For example, the moment an electron is released, the entire world splits into two copies of itself. In one, the electron has spin down and the cat lives. In the other, the electron has soin up and the cat dies. For a human observer in either world, there is still a 50:50 chance of finding a live cat when you look into the room, but neither cat is in a superposition of states.

So in extending this example, the entire Universe is multiplied into an infinite number of branches, and anything that can possible happen does happen in one (or more) of the branches of reality. Just to reiterate, this experiment really is 'all in the mind', so nothing remotely like this has even been tried with a real cat :D.

*Collapses*.

whoa...lol...you ok dude?:p

anyhoo...that sounds pretty cool and all...but what really bothers me is that question weather or not parallel universes really exist...and how is it posible to check?

Lord Germano 12-19-2002 05:56 PM

Whoa, kewl.

When do they teach me this stuff in school? All we do is look at rocks.

Mushlafa 12-19-2002 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by ThatGuyAgain
Whoa, kewl.

When do they teach me this stuff in school? All we do is look at rocks.

Lol.. hehehe... yeah when do we learn cool stuff... anyway... SL thats WAAAAAYYYY to complicated for me to really understand.. how could an electron... ugh.. nevermind im not eaven gonna bother.. so yeah...

*walks out of thread*

Mechadragon 12-19-2002 10:42 PM

My knowledge of parallel universes goes as far as the movie "The One" so I'm not even gonna bother. But this stuff sounds awesome!

Angrist 12-20-2002 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by ThatGuyAgain
Whoa, kewl.

When do they teach me this stuff in school? All we do is look at rocks.

Like I said, ask your physics teacher about it, he'll tell you some nice theories (that sound like bullpoop!!). :D

Didn't have time to read your story SL, will later.

Lord Germano 12-20-2002 06:32 PM

Dont have a physics teacher. Our science teacher is more a biology teacher.

Maybe in year 11

Xantar 12-22-2002 12:20 AM

Guess what, folks: a lot of that stuff is beyond even college students. I personally am never going to take a course in quantum physics. And there's a good chance that when you get around to it, you won't want to either. It's cool to think about, but when actual equations are involved, it gets ugly and tedious really quickly.

The really amazing thing is that a lot of quantum mechanics has been proven experimentally (don't ask me how. I don't even know how to measure an electron's spin). Apparently, this stuff works.

Angrist 12-22-2002 05:24 AM

Yeah it's pretty cool when you think about it. But... like Xanny said, you don't want to study it yourself! :D

Read 'Time Line' from Crichton when you're interested in quantum physics and the multiverse. :)

Oh yeah, Matrixes often have to do with more than 4 dimensions... I have to solve math stuff in 5D... :eek::D


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