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Stonecutter seems to be defending gays like Pjacks did back at Ndose :D

And he was from chicago too... :hmm:

Only he was the one who always brought up the "Born gay" issue...

Is Chicago like the gay defender capital of the US? :sneaky:

Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just bored...

and like I said, I don't have a problem with gays in ze first place so *shrugs*...

Oh but about the born gay issue, I dunno... I don't think that sounds right to me... I don't think people are born gay...

But that's just me...

I think it's wrong, unnatural, sickning, disgusting, etc

I have gay people in my family (well 2, and they don't live here) and I think they are very nice people. But, I don't agree with thier actions and I believe that they will go to hell if they continue it. Period.

It's their life, I can't change them. To me, they just made a bad decision.

now for this:

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Homosexual couple, 2 men (for the purpose of this demonstration, i'm just going to use men, because I'm sure most men are hypocritical and have absolutely no problem with lesbians

It's hard for a man to have problems with a lesbian, because we can relate to them. If I woke up tomorrow morning and I was a girl I would be the gayest girl in town.

but when I look at men, I can't relate to them... just like I can't relate to a girl talking about being sexually involved with another man... so the example of "if a woman woke up as a man, could you relate to it" can't be used, because HELLLLLLLL no I can't relate.

and that's all I got to say about that

Errr... if gay guys go to hell, wouldn't lesbians too?

"It's hard for a man to have problems with a lesbian, because we can relate to them. If I woke up tomorrow morning and I was a girl I would be the gayest girl in town."

You just say that cuz you're a guy and you're not sexually attracted by men... heh... If you were a girl (and not a guy who turned into a girl ;) ) I doubt you'd see things the same way... Especially since you couldn't be a lesbian or you'd go to hell OH NO RUN AAHHH! :unsure: ;)

I don't have a PROBLEM with lesbians, just like I don't have a problem with gays, but I hate it when people are like "OH BOOO DOWN WITH GAYS! *continues watching lesbian porn*"...

And I hate it how religion just causes negative feelings towards things... ;) But let's not get into that...

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Originally posted by DeathsHand
Errr... if gay guys go to hell, wouldn't lesbians too?

"It's hard for a man to have problems with a lesbian, because we can relate to them. If I woke up tomorrow morning and I was a girl I would be the gayest girl in town."

You just say that cuz you're a guy and you're not sexually attracted by men... heh... If you were a girl (and not a guy who turned into a girl ;) ) I doubt you'd see things the same way... Especially since you couldn't be a lesbian or you'd go to hell OH NO RUN AAHHH! :unsure: ;)

I don't have a PROBLEM with lesbians, just like I don't have a problem with gays, but I hate it when people are like "OH BOOO DOWN WITH GAYS! *continues watching lesbian porn*"...

And I hate it how religion just causes negative feelings towards things... ;) But let's not get into that...

I think when he talks about gays he doesn't just mean men.

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Originally posted by Shadow_Link

I think when he talks about gays he doesn't just mean men.

Mayhaps this is true...

Mayhaps...

:unsure:

Mayhaps, nothing! (sorry, I just wanted to say that)...

Anyway, I feel the same for both genders. But Im just less dusgusted by lesbians, because I'm a guy. Human nature.

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Originally posted by GameKinG
They were born gay? Was there some gene in their body that was gay? I always thought there would have be an influence or lack liking things the same way as most. They probably started young though. And its definetely not 'God's choice'.

I heard that there is no scientific evidence to prove this. Maybe there is. Then if it is a gene, wouldn't it be treated the same way as a disability or something :unsure:

No he told me that's how he's always been :confused: He was really upset about it. At first I didn't know wot to say/do, but after time, I just learnt to accept it.

Unless you know somebody close who is gay, many people cast an ignorant opinion about them (aka some ppl here).

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Originally posted by bobcat

I heard that there is no scientific evidence to prove this. Maybe there is. Then if it is a gene, wouldn't it be treated the same way as a disability or something :unsure:

No he told me that's how he's always been :confused: He was really upset about it. At first I didn't know wot to say/do, but after time, I just learnt to accept it.

Unless you know somebody close who is gay, many people cast an ignorant opinion about them (aka some ppl here).

I don't think it's the genes that cause a person to be gay (at least according to those studies or whatever). I think it's some chemical imbalance. Heh.

I still think it can be influenced either way with healthy dose of sosciety. ;)

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Originally posted by DeathsHand
Errr... if gay guys go to hell, wouldn't lesbians too?

Yes

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Originally posted by TheGame

Yes

Damn straight! BURN, LESBIANS, BURN!!! :unsure:

J/K

I just find it kind of funny how anything in this forum can end up leading to religious beliefs.

Anywhoo I think their was some evidence off homosexuality being in a person's chemical makeup rather than just a personal choice.

I go to an artsy school so of course there's gonna be some gay people. The lesbians usually aren't hot but oh well. Just can get annoying when someone gay tries to act extremely gay. I think you know what I mean. But the people I know who are gay and out of the closet so to speak don't try to come on to random people or anything so I don't see why it should bother people.

I actually know someone who got a sex change but that's another story...

I do notice fat trucker women seem to be lesbian. Maybe its in their chemical makeup.

Both from CNN:

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Scientists have found new evidence that suggests male homosexuality has a genetic link. The research supports a similar study two years ago.

Researchers studied pairs of homosexual brothers, focusing on the X chromosome, which men inherit from their mothers. The new study suggests a particular portion of that chromosome helps influence whether a man is gay.

"Our result says that genes are involved in male sexual orientation, although they certainly do not determine a person's sexual orientation," said Dean Hamer, a researcher at the National Cancer Institute and author of the study. "There probably are other biological factors like hormones, for example, and other variables we simply don't know anything about yet."

Previous studies also have suggested a biological influence in sexual orientation, but scientists still can't explain what makes a person gay, heterosexual or bisexual. The study does not identify any specific gene. Hamer said there was no way to know how strongly the gene influences the development of male homosexuality.

Hamer worked with colleagues at the National Institute of Health, the University of Colorado at Boulder and the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research. They examined 32 pairs of exclusively or mostly gay brothers from unrelated families. Twenty-two pairs, or two-thirds, shared the same version of the genetic material, suggesting that it contains a gene predisposing the men to homosexuality.

Researchers looked for a similar effect in women but found no evidence to support the theory. The study appears in the November issue of the journal Nature Genetics.

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The possibility that sexual orientation may be predisposed before birth gained new support in a research project being published this week that tested how women respond to sound.

Scientists at the University of Texas, Austin, say they have found the first strong evidence of a physical difference between lesbians and straight women -- a finding that the inner ears of gay women work more like those of men.

The study is to be published Tuesday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The origin of homosexuality has long been a matter of contention. Some believe it to be a matter of choice, but others -- including many gay people -- say it is not choice but biology.

Previous research has found that two parts of the brain are different in gay and heterosexual men. Other studies have found that some genes differ between gay and straight men.

Excess exposure to male hormones before birth cited
The Texas scientists said they found the inner ears of lesbians have undergone "masculinization," probably from excess exposure to male hormones before birth.

"Their auditory centers have been masculinized and the presumption is that so have the sites in the brain that direct sexual preference," said Dennis McFadden, the lead author of the study.

It has yet to be proven, however, that there is a specific site in the brain that directs women to be lesbians, he said.

Dr. Michael Bailey of Northwestern University said the research is "compelling" and may be "consistent with the biological origin of lesbianism."

"The most likely interpretation," he said, "is that this represents some kind of effect of early hormones on the developing fetus."

Test results considered tentative
Bailey cautioned, however, that the research will not be accepted as valid until other scientists replicate the experiment.

Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada, said the study supports the theory that lesbianism may be "related to early factors in brain development."

Researchers stress that while science can measure trends among groups, it cannot predict sexual orientation for individuals, a caution that lesbian Laura Brown of Atlanta agrees with. The prospect that women might be tested and given hormones to control their sexuality is "frightening," says Brown. 119K / 9 sec. AIFF or WAV sound

How test was conducted
The inner ear difference between homosexual and heterosexual women was detected using a test that measures the function of the cochlea, a key sound amplifier in the inner ear, said McFadden, a professor of experimental psychology.

The cochlea amplifier in women is more sensitive than that of men, giving women an increased ability to detect very soft sounds in a very quiet room. The test measures a very slight sound the cochlea makes when responding to a soft clicking sound.

Females, with their more sensitive cochlea, respond more powerfully to this test than do men, said McFadden. This is true even among infants.

To test for differences between the sexes, the researchers recruited more than 200 adults divided into four groups: homosexual women and men, and heterosexual women and men.

Some from each of the four groups were later identified as bisexual. The sexual orientation of the subjects was determined by questionnaire.

The results, McFadden said, indicated that lesbians had click-responses that were significantly weaker than those of heterosexual women.

The signal was weaker still for all males, both gay and straight. Bisexual men and women were in the middle, although McFadden said there were not enough of these to draw firm conclusions.

What is clear, he said, is that there is a dramatic difference in the development of the hearing systems of lesbians and heterosexual women. It also is known that development of the inner ear is affected before birth by androgens, a male hormone.

Androgens, said McFadden, may also "alter the brain centers that produce sexual orientation." But he said researchers have yet to find a brain structure that determines sexual orientation in women.

This horse-trodden topic has reared its face on so many different media that finding such subject here on this board for the first time seems astonishing.

The arguments, the prejudices and the bigotry that abound are all interchangeable in every single one of these discussions. In fact, they are so tediously congruent that reading them serves as a definition of a deja vu.

What I will say is this: the arguments really break down into a few parts -

1)Is the primary purpose of sex an attainment of pleasure?

2)Is homosexuality genetic (hence the_natural_argument)?

3)If, in fact, it is, does it mean predestination with an unavoidable pattern of behavior? Or does it mean that an individual is simply predisposed to incline towards this pattern of behavior?

You might think that argument 1 is sort of out of place. But actually, it is relevant in the sense that if homosexuality is genetic, but that genetic component would only mean a predisposition, one would still have a choice to determine a behavioral pattern. That is, just because a man is *inclined* to like men does not mean he has to have sex with men. If the man believes that the primary purpose of sex is not the attainment of pleasure, he would most likely be able to suppress his pleasure in lieu of a purpose he would deem more significant (procreation, for example).

But if the dictates of our genetic makeup absolutely forces someone to be gay, then argument 1 would have no bearing on the matter; as having different-sex relationship would be so taboo to the person who is gay. If this homosexual person were to have sex with a partner of the opposite gender, his/her body would literally shut down - disabling intercourse to take place.

What I find disturbing (and shamelessly intriguing at the same time) is that right now, it's trendy for girls to be bisexual. As a matter of fact, some guys are quite turned on by such a tendency. Now, this sort of perversion would definitely muddy the issue of gay genetics as at least some gay/biseuxal people are having these relationships strictly out of pleasure. If this is so, then homosexuality, at least for these types of people, would be a predisposition - in other words, something that could be controlled rationally.

You know what? There are other types of predispositions. Alcoholism, drug abuse and other forms of common addiction are also determined in the genetic code. Some people are more prone to be addicted to things, while some people are not.

Now, does this mean that those people who are more prone to addiction be given an automatic understanding and sympathy should they destroy their lives in general? Sure, they were on the short end of the stick with that troublesome genetic makeup, but they still had a choice as to remain sober or to go on with their destructive lifestyles.

What I'm trying to say is, it seems that everyone nowdays are blaming genetics for everything that might go awry from the norm of the society. Most homosexuals would have no problem adhering to the belief that this is, in fact, solid truth. But I clearly see an inherent problem with a society where, biology is treated as the sole culprit of a deviant (don't misinterpret this word; I don't mean this in a criminial context) behavior that clearly violates the things biology wholeheartedly supports and depends on in order to continue the cycle of life.