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gekko, question: Did your sister drink any of the same while there?

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Originally Posted by manasecret (Post 269177)

Interesting question: If you ingest venom, is it still "venomous", or is it now "poisonous" since it is not injected by the animal?

I'm no chemist, but I believe venom is essentially a poison. It's just usually injected by an animal, so it's venomous, not poisonous.

I'm not a bio major.....My understanding is that venom is a neurotoxin and when injected into your bloodstream it travels through your blood (it probably crosses the blood-brain barrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-brain_barrier) and causes neurological issues which effect your respiratory system, etc.

I assume just digesting something reduces the chance of the neurotoxin from crossing the blood-brain barrier. And my understanding is the alcohol breaks down the proteins that make the neurotoxin harmful to humans thereby eliminating any of the side effects.

Drink up and enjoy. :D

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I'm just googling around on this topic and it looks like some snakes have both Neurotoxins and Hemotoxins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemotoxin
-destroy red blood cells
-prevent blood from clotting
-cause organs to shut down

Also, death by Hemotoxin is apparently slow and painful vs. death by Neurotoxin.

Damn nature, you scary!

Also, some interesting facts.....
-Rattlesnakes are not immune to rattlesnake venom. I wonder (or would not be surprised) if the same is true to other species of snakes.

And again....my belief is that you can ingest most snake venom on the basis that digestion does not result in the venom going through you blood the same way. Numerous sites say you can eat rattlesnake without worrying about the venom. So soaking the thing in alcohol can only help as I am 99% sure the alcohol breaks down the proteins that make the venom a neurotoxin.

Do save the bottle though, in case you need to take it with you to the hospital. :p

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Here is the definitive answer! So don't start eating poisonous shit because if you eat the wrong spider or something you will die!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_venom

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Snake venom is highly modified saliva[citation needed] that is produced by special glands of certain species of snakes. The gland which secretes the zootoxin is a modification of the parotid salivary gland of other vertebrates, and is usually situated on each side of the head below and behind the eye, invested in a muscular sheath. It is provided with a large alveoli in which the venom is stored before being conveyed by a duct to the base of the channelled or tubular fang through which it is ejected. Snake venom is a combination of many different proteins and enzymes. Many of these proteins are harmless to humans, but some are toxins.

Note that snake venoms are generally not dangerous when ingested, and are therefore not technically poisons.[citation needed]

So snake venom is not a poison, but some snakes have toxins that could be harmful when ingested.

Anyway, I figure I can supplement my 3 tangenty posts with some fucked up shit!

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Originally Posted by manasecret (Post 269184)

gekko, question: Did your sister drink any of the same while there?

Unknown. Haven't had a chance to talk to her since receiving the gift.

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Note that snake venoms are generally not dangerous when ingested, and are therefore not technically poisons.[citation needed]

Haha, for all you know, I put that on wikipedia. :)

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Originally Posted by Angrist (Post 269261)

Haha, for all you know, I put that on wikipedia. :)

I confess the source is not dynamite but all-in-all I think evidence is on gekko's side here...which is that if he did drink this concoction he would probably live to tell about it.

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Did you end up drinking it?

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Yeah did you? Inquiring minds want to know!

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Nope! Sitting on the fridge.

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Bah, what a boring ending.

You can't drink it any anymore, it's probably gone bad by now :p

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I was suddenly wondering, is every poison also a venom? Because if it's harmful when you eat it, it's probably harmful in any way it gets into your body.