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He said hardcore players Earl, not hardcore games.
And me being a hardcore gamer, as in I like M rated games and play them a lot, the Wii doesnt offer much to me.
If I could get a really cheap one I probably would, but only for smash bros and NSMB, and even then I probably wouldnt play it that much.

And a spade can also be called a shovel.

Re: Thinking of selling my Wii, try and convince me not to
 

Games can generally be as hardcore or casual as you want them to be. In general well developed games give you that option.

Final Fantasy for example: You can spend probably 20 hours playing any of the final fantasy games and beat them or complete the vast majority of the game in itself without really doing much beyond mashing the x button. Thankfully the majority of those games have including ridiculously hard to kill bosses, time consuming side jobs for better equips or leveling up, and general badass systems that allow you to specifically master that game. It's totally possible to take every character through the sphere grid for everyone in FFX. How long does it take? Oh my friend Kyle did it in about 280 hours. I hated FFX and went from start to finish with a final save at 28:23. Both of us sat down and broke up the game's system in different ways to accomplish both tasks.

GTA is setup to where you can spend hours whittling away at the game's side missions, sub-plots and generally do what you want, or you can just manhandle all the story missions and be done.

Halo and CoD not only have a main campaign that can be completed multiple times and you're done, but both have been providing multiplayer goldeness since each dropped allowing the more serious fans and players of the game to take it much deeper than beating the game on it's hardest difficulty.

Now let's take a look at oh say... The top 20 bestselling wii games:

# Wii Sports (50.54 million)[1]
# Wii Play (24.43 million)[1]
# Wii Fit (22.5 million)[1]
# Mario Kart Wii (18.36 million)[1]
# Super Smash Bros. Brawl (8.43 million)[2]
# Super Mario Galaxy (8.02 million)[2]
# Wii Sports Resort (6.97 million approximately[1]; 1.25 million in United States, 1.266 million in Japan[3], 1 million in Europe, 100,000 in Australia [4])[5]
# Mario Party 8 (6.72 million)[2]
# The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (4.52 million)[6]
# Link's Crossbow Training (3.76 million)[2]
# Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (3.4 million)[7]
# Animal Crossing: City Folk (3.38 million)[2]
# Wii Music (2.65 million)[2]
# Super Paper Mario (2.28 million)[6]
# Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (2.26 million)[6]
# Wii Fit Plus (2.13 million)[1]
# Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (2 million)[8]
# Deca Sports (2 million shipped)[9]
# Game Party (2 million shipped)[10]
# WarioWare: Smooth Moves (1.82 million)[11]

Am I the only one who sees a problem there?

Super Mario Galaxies, Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Animal Crossing. These games all have longevity, and hardcore playability. Brawl and Mario Kart would have, had nintendo not dumbed them down. Sure it was still perfectly fine for the casual players, but when the hardcore players asked for nintendo to up the ante in these games, add more substance... What did nintendo do? They killed everything about those two games that made them playable. I used to see random Mario Kart tournaments all the time at the fighting game tournaments, and now what game do they play? They still play the GC version because it actually required some semblance of skill to win. Most smash tournaments have either reverted back to Melee or are being run as brawl+ (A community hack of brawl to fix all the dumb shit, and it's rather easy to do.)

Everything else on that list is basically a gimmick designed to pull in the majority of people who either never played a video game, only enjoyed it casually, or some type of party thing.

Do you know how much it irks me to hear "Oh yeah I play video games" from a 50 year old man. My response is always "Oh let me guess you have a wii?", "Yeah I have a wii I love it."

There is no substance in a game with the title "Wii Anything"

And I had no problem with nintendo making a motion controlled system, none at all. I had no problem with them targeting the casuals and never playeds. But somewhere in the dust we as serious gamers got left behind, with sad looks and our wiimotes slung limply around our necks asking for more.

I used to love nintendo, a lot of nintendo games are still at the top of my list of games that I love, but most of those got swept under a rug somewhere and odds are I'll never see them again.

It was the few hardcore gamers that supported nintendo in their time of need. It's us who bought the 64 and the Gamecube first before we ever got playstations and PS2s. It's us who scoffed at microsoft when we saw the "TankBox" and it's us who nintendo royally screwed.

To a lot of people gaming is quite a bit more than just a hobby. I play games because someday I want to create games. I strive to learn more about the interworkings of a game, question how they did something.

Some people just want nothing more than to get better at the games they play. There are people who do nothing but sit online and play these games with others and against others in order to better their abilities with them.

Some people enjoy playing games because they want to create the art for those games someday. They spend hours exploring environments, checking out how things were drawn, going online and looking at concept art.

There are other reasons too, and I've known at least 3 people or more who fall into each of those categories in my lifetime. These are the people apparently nintendo just stopped giving a fuck about.

Why would I have a wii so it can collect dust and so I can play one game a year on it. No sir no thanks.

/rant #2


Gamestop was running a special at the time where you could trade in the wii for up to 180 dollars if you traded in 2 games on the list. The only 2 wii games I had were brawl and twilight and they were both on the list. I ended up with about 275 dollars that day thanks to rock band, the wii, and those 2 games. That's how I got my arcade stick, blazblue and l4d1. I have yet to regret that decision.

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Notice how I said "and play them a lot".

From Wiki: "Some describe hardcore gamers as those whose leisure time is largely devoted to playing or reading about video games."

That seems to fit me, so yes, I would say Im a hardcore gamer.
And I know liking M rated games doesnt make me hardcore, I was saying that because the Wii doesnt offer much in the M rated category.

So I pretty much just said the same thing I said in my last post.
I like M rated games and I play them a lot.
The Wii is more family oriented so it doesnt offer much in the murderous genre I like.

Re: Thinking of selling my Wii, try and convince me not to
 

I have to agree with BaB here, the hardcore term is pretty dumb. It means a million different things to a million different people, usually shunted to mean "I'm a true gamer; those people are not." If you don't like a game, you don't like a game.

For example, for you Combine, all you have to say is you prefer M rated violent games. That's it. The hardcore term just muddles up what you're saying, and ends up meaning nothing.

As for the 20 best-selling Wii titles that Moogle posted, I see what you're saying that you want depth and longevity in a game. First, I'd argue more games in that list do have longevity, but that's not my point. My point is that there are plenty of games with depth and longevity that are not in the top-20 best-selling list that you conveniently ignored. Need I list them? I think BaB has over and over, and I think everyone knows them, but they tend to ignore them when it comes to these arguments.

In your case, I think your rant boils down to two things -- neither of which is that Nintendo stopped making games for the "hardcore" gamer. Looking at your choice of BlazBlue and L4D1, I think simply, 1. You're mad that you feel Smash was dumbed down, and, 2. Your tastes have moved on since Nintendo never made games like L4D1.

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Top 20 best list was merely posted to show that the majority of games holding up the wii are games that were already staples, or games that use the mii as your character, and those don't really have much depth.

Also I hate smash, I've always hated it really. I just understand where the game used to be depth and skill wise, and i know what nintendo did to it without any reason really other than it was unintentional for them to give it that depth. It upset the serious "Smash" community who actually legitimately played the game in tournaments. There really wasn't a reason for nintendo to remove the glitches in the game, and they put no effort into balancing the game at all, which would have been the least they could have done. It's just a money grabber.

Also you're right, my tastes have moved on I suppose. You can't stay a little kid forever, and I suppose nintendo lost a lot of it's good 3rd party support way back in the day when they stayed carts and everyone else went disc.


Which is fine, I used to be gung ho nintendo leet. I changed quite a bit.

The wii is still a good system, it has fun games for a lot of people obviously or it wouldn't be doing so well. You're right it's no longer for me, and I sold mine because it hadn't been used since about 3 weeks after smash dropped and I wasn't even playing smash lol. Nintendo mostly shifted directions, that's all, and I twisted in the opposite way. For real though I feel bad that a lot of the games I enjoyed for 64 and GC sorta disappeared. I know a lot of it is because companies ended contracts with nintendo, or they went under... I don't know guess that's not nintendo's fault. Lol.

/ramble

I said I wasn't going to post in this thread again. Damn.

Re: Thinking of selling my Wii, try and convince me not to
 

My primary reason for saying not to sell it is I just don't like to sell things I already own. You almost always lose money on the transaction, and there's always a possibility something will happen to make you say "man, I wish I had ____ again." I already made the choice to spend money on something, so I'm going to stick with that decision.

I also love the Wii for the virtual console. I never had a SNES as a kid, and it's great to get to play some of those games on a TV (main reason I dislike roms).

This is true. I was so excited for Brawl, it was the first game I picked up on the Wii.

I could never get into it. Melee was one of my favorite games ever, as was the first Smash. There was just something different about Brawl. I was quite good at Melee, if I do say so myself, but Brawl seemed to introduce such a high level of randomness into matches that it wasn't worth taking the time to get better at. Not to mention the online is atrocious, and even when playing offline, I was felt like there was a very, very small amount of delay between when I pressed a button and when my avatar actually did something. It was tiny, but it was enough for me to notice, especially given how perfect I had gotten my timing in Melee.

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I love how some people consider Animal Crossing (and Guitar Hero) hardcore games. :D

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I cant really think about this right now, i'm too upset that you are not interested in Mario Galaxy...