But with the recent price drops and the fact that a DVD player standing along is typically $100 and up the GameCube has the worst possible deal. For the same price of a Cube one could buy a more powerful system with a built in ethernet port, DVD player, and hard-drive. Or one could buy another console for the same price with the largest game selection of the availible systems and with a DVD player too.

When asked about DVD playback:
From this guy's understanding (because he has problems counting pass his number of fingers) people buy a game system to play games. Well, whadda know? PS2 and Xbox also play games. Who would have thunk it. And what's this? PS2 has a greater game selection and Xbox better graphics. But we all know how great the Cube's game library is now they can fully depend on it for sales. Besides, they have a ton of great games coming out to help them. Its not like they'll be delayed or anything...

Well, being a HARDCORE GAMER, I don't like when any company sacrifices Game quality for $$$.

If Nintendo didn't want to be money grubbing (keyword: IF) they had thier chance to team up with both Microsoft and Sony at different points in time. According to Nintendo, they didn't need the money, so they need to quit acting like it.

I wouldn't have minded if Nintendo was under M$'s wing and developed games for X-Box... cause a game is a game. But once a console manufacturer crosses the line of sacrificing game and hardware quality just to make a little $$$, it has to potential to piss me off. (N64/GBA/GBC)

Ny idealistic side agrees with you, as I stated in a prior post in this thread, but realistically it doesn't make sense. Nintendo makes games for 1 reason. To make money.

If Nintendo found out that they could make more money making Wicker Furniture, I'd be sitting in a NLS right now (Nintendo Love Seat). Thats the truth and the reality of business. Don't think Ninetendo has some righteous imperative to offer you the greatest gaming experience possible. They will offer the the best gaming experience that they can as long as it gives them the most profit. Seeing as they are a gimaing only company, I can forgive this attitude more than others.

please don't ever post that many pics again in a thread that has no use for them.

Nintendo is a business, and a businesses main goal is to MAKE PROFIT. Notice the main goal isn't to please consumers? By making consumers happy, it's basically how you sell a product and make money.

Microsoft doesn't play by these rules. I would be shocked if Microsoft made a penny in profit from Xbox. First they're selling at a huge loss, then price drops world-wide. Microsoft is not looking to profit from Xbox. From a business standpoint, Xbox is a complete failure. Basically, Microsoft is willing to lose millions in order to get their foot in the door. But Microsoft also has a monopoly on the PC industry that isn't going away anytime soon, so it's really just taking a hit in hopes that it helps the company in the years to come.

Sony, who has more $$$ than Microsoft, still will profit from software sales. Granted they took a huge hit with the software, they will make it back. They may have a ton of money, but they aren't sacrificing anything but SCEA's budget on PS2. As for Nintendo, they're also taking a loss in hardware sales, but will profit from software sales. Of course, Nintendo is taking a smaller loss, so from the business standpoint, they're the best off because they will take in the most money.

Now really, Sony and Microsoft dropping prices just means less profit. Sony won't be affected much, Microsoft is getting a beating. But Nintendo is smart for making the system cheaper from the start, because while Xbox is now selling at a loss of what, close to $250 per console, Nintendo is still selling at a loss less than half that. Which company is more sucessful? Nintendo.

Nintendo is a business, they need to make money to survive. It's not a matter of who wins the console wars to them, it's a matter of making money. Microsoft could hand out Xbox's for free and easily win the war, but does it really mean anything? These are 3 companies competing, and as a gamer you may feel to see it, the real winner is who can make the most money.

The DVD player is not necessary in a game console. It doesn't hurt, no, but it's not needed. Not all TV's come with built in VCRs, why? Because when people buy a TV they go looking for a TV, not a VCR. When people buy a game console they go looking for a game console, not a DVD player.

When you think about it, having a movie player on a game system is just stupid. Why not have a built in toaster on Danny's Hello Kitty toy? Movies and games are 2 totally different industries, the only relationship is their both seen on a TV. Hell, I didn't see any of you complaining your PSX didn't play VCDs.

errr.... I only have on thing to say... Nintendo prolly makes and is prolly still making money off everything that has to do with pokemon. They make money of everything that has the word pokemon on it.... tv show, cards, clothes, toys and lotsa other things. So my point is that Nintendo does make money off other things than video games :P

I think maybe Nintendo should start doing the online thing free first then once people fall in love with it start making them pay a monthly fee... that way it would be profitable in the long run and might increase software sales of some games like ssb:m and mario kart and lots of other games.

Oh well i guess i said more than one thing.... oh well

Um...

Nintendo is a company, and they need to make $$$, but WHY sacrifice hardware and game quality????

I don't understand the point of the 4mb cards... all I see it a profiting scam by Nintendo, and all it does is hurt the quality of the games I like to play (sports).

Some tactics are cool, but when they make the games worse it's not acceptable.

I'm not a fan of the cards either, though the saves are pretty fast. But I don't know what you mean by sacrificing hardware and game quality?

That's not the only thing... GBA is example of out-dated hardware and ported old games just to put some $$$ in Nintendo's pocket.

Wait, did someone actually say that Sony has MORE money than MS? I believe Bill Gates is actually worth a bit more than the Sony Corporation as a whole all by himself.:D That smiley doesn't mean I'm joking, it just means I find it funny.

BTW, saying the XBox is a complete failure already is jumping the gun just a little bit. Lets wait five years and then see. MS could be ruling the gaming world by then. No body ever thought Gates would beat IBM or Apple back in the day either...

X-Box is meant to be financial failure

Xbox is purely a tool to put Microsoft on the Video game map... period.

but, like you said, that doesn't mean "Xbox is a failure"

What did it fail at doing? Making Money off of Xbox wasn't a goal for Microsft, so it didn't fail to reach it's goal. X-Box's goal is to sell well, not to make $$$ off of the sales, that's X-Box 2's job.

I highly doubt that Bill Gates is worth less than Sony. Otherwise, Microsoft could have bought out Sony.

I think the way the two companies compare is Sony does more business because their products are pricier. They have higher revenue because hardware just costs more than software.

Of course, Sony also has higher costs associated with their business. Microsoft probably has higher profits.

I think in any case that both companies have enough cash that it doesn't really matter who has more. Neither company is going to spend all of it on recouping losses. In fact, they probably wouldn't spend more on the games industry than Nintendo is capable of spending (remember that Nintendo's check account is nothing to laugh at either).

So true Xantar. Sony's revenue is $56,622,000,000. Microsoft's is only $25,246,000,000. Of course, Sony's profits are $1,492,000,000 and Microsoft's is $7,346,000,000. Nintendo's revenues is in the 9 billion range, don't know the exact figure. But considering how many different products Sony and Microsoft make, 9 billion for a company who just makes video games is a large amount of money.

*shakes head*

Why are so many members hard headed?

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EDIT - Whoops, looks like my mysterious source was quite wrong. I will now find Deep Throat and have him killed.

BTW, just cause you have a lot of money, that doen't mean you can buy out any company you want. MS could have UNLIMITED resources, which they pretty much already do, and still not buy out a mom and pop shoe store if they only put up 49% of their company to the public. MS could have 49% of the stock, but Grandpa would still be telling Gates where he can stick it.

Hostile takeovers can only really happen when a company has a strong majority of the company on the open market and the stock is suffering so that when a company like MS offers an inflated price, the other stock holders will bail quickly enough so that the victim does not have the time to counter the predatator. There are exceptions, but not many.

Class dismissed.:D