I agree with you on this one. The Nintendo 64 had almost no AAA titles. Here's a list of all the Mature(By ESRB) games on the Nintendo 64...(AAA titles in bold)

Bio F.R.E.A.K.S. May, 1998
Carmageddon 64 Jul, 2000
Chef's Luv Shack Dec, 1999
Daikatana 64 Nov, 2000
Doom 64 Apr, 1997
Duke Nukem 64 Nov, 1997
Duke Nukem: Zero Hour Aug 01, 1999
ECW Hardcore Revolution Feb, 2000
Forsaken 64 May, 1998
Hexen Jun 01, 1997
Mace: The Dark Age Oct, 1997
Mortal Kombat 4 Jun, 1998
Mortal Kombat Trilogy Nov, 1996
Nightmare Creatures Nov, 1998
Perfect Dark (N64) May 01, 2000
Quake 64 Mar 01, 1998
Quake II Jun 01, 1999
Resident Evil 2 (N64) Nov 01, 1999
Shadow Man Aug 01, 1999
South Park Dec 01, 1998
South Park Rally Feb 01, 2000
South Park: Chef's Luv Shack Dec 01, 1999
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil (N64) Dec 01, 1998
Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion Aug 01, 2000
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter Feb 01, 1997
Turok: Rage Wars (N64) Nov 01, 1999
War Gods May 01, 1997

The reason for this was because of the decision to use cartridges. After a year or two, all the people that like mature titles had to buy a PSX to play mature games. The majority of those people bought a PS2 instead of a GC. So the GC has a smaller user base of people that like mature games. So what Bond said, was infact, a fact.:p The only thing he said that was debatable was when he used CBFD as an example, because it was released at the end of the N64's life. I can understand why he used it though, because it was a good example of a mature game that sold badly, but because of it's release date it doesn't really prove the point that mature games sell badly on Nintendo consoles.

Thank you for reading my mind, your are quite right. I was referring to Nintendo 64 'M' rated videogames in general that I know of. Overall I think the fact remains CBFD didn't sell very well.

Well, I'm very sorry Nintendo didn't market CBFD well, but I guess it's partly their own fault. Pefect Dark was a great game and sold well. I am in total agreement with that, I brought it up in the first place.

You edited your post after I made my reply. So yes, I read that comment after I posted my reply saying basically the same thing.

Right here: "You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes."

Simply put you must dissect a few worded post and make it into fanboy bashing. I believe there are plenty more paragraph long posts you could have some fun with....

How does this refer to you bashing GC? I was referring to the posts in general in this thread....so I guess that includes you:p

BTW, I agree that Conker didn't sell very well. But the people I know who bought the game talk highly of it...

Here again:
"I just find it funny that a thread saying how MGS was coming to Xbox turned into how "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. Sure, I know the question was asked why MGS wasn't coming to GC, but again saying "That is a fact. Look at CBFD." holds no truth. You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes"

And your right Not, I'm the biggest fanboy at GT, hell maybe even on the whole internet. I bash all consoles, and put my biased opinions everywhere. I hardly ever make fair comparisons and I am never open to other opinions.

I just hope no one else realizes this.

Note on the text: If you were referring to EVERYONE that posted in this thread then that would include EVERYONE. Including 4 moderators and 2 members.

I didn't ask the question why MGS wasn't coming to GC. So why did you bold that? And notice I put bashes in "quotes". Meaning not really bashes, but making fun of another system/company. Take it as you will, but I never accused you of bashing GC.

Do you have a problem or something? Calm down. I hope you're not a mod (EDIT: so, you are a mod...), cause you're acting like a child.

Not everyone. And so what if it includes 4 mods and 2 members.

I never said that you accused me of bashing the GC. In any case as you said the word 'bashing' has several different meanings to several different people.

I think you think my acting like a child is actually my humor.

'In general' normally includes everyone. And if you failed to see the point there... six people have replied to this thread.

And now once again I ask we get back to the main topic of this thread, a new MGS game being announced for the Playstation 2 and Xbox consoles.

Understood

Mods should know better...


And of the few people that replied, Nintendo has already been "bashed", "made fun of", "put-down," whatever you want to call it.

I can't wait to see what this game looks like on Xbox. The PS2 version looked fantastic, so the XB version should look even better:D. I do wish this game was coming to GC, even though I didn't really like MGS2. It would certainly help sales. Maybe it will help XB sales and help the system outside of North America. But since it's not exclusive, it probably won't have a big as impact as anticipated.

Thanks to the information from Jin, I am finding out how ever single 'M' rated videogame on the Nintendo 64 has sold:

Bio F.R.E.A.K.S. May, 1998 - No information available.
Carmageddon 64 Jul, 2000 - No information avilable, recieved 1's and 0's for a review from most online websites.
Chef's Luv Shack Dec, 1999 - No information on this game found anywhere.
Daikatana 64 Nov, 2000 - http://ign64.ign.com/articles/082/082933p1.html The game was only released for renting.
CBFD - http://ign64.ign.com/articles/093/093211p1.html Declared by Nintendo a 'flop.' Sold 13,000 units on the week after it was released.
Pefect Dark: Was the second best selling game of May 2000 and has sold over 1 million copies.
Doom 64: Game sales were below average to poor. The game upset several hardcore Doom fans.

I'll add on to this list when I get the time.

And what are you trying to prove, that "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems? Cause if you are, please remember that there were very few AAA (only PD and RE come to mind) "M" titles on N64. Otherwise, don't waste your time.

It's not my fault there were not many AAA games on the N64. You said that it's not a fact 'M' rated games in general didn't sell well on the Nintendo 64. I've decided to find out for myself the facts. So far what I have found is a few great selling games and many average to poor selling games. But I guess we'll see when I've gone through the list.

Now if you didn't exactly mean that I would understand when I've finished the list.

Alright, go ahead. Your findings will most likely stay that way. But you can't blame average "M" games on N64 for not selling well and proclaim that's it's because "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. That's like expecting Kabuki Warriors to sell a million.

You're comparing two different systems. They may not sell well on N64, but you're looking at a totally different group of users for GameCube. some N64 owners buy one, some non-N64 owners buy one.

N64 wasn't the best system for Nintendo. Some die-hard Nintendo fans have opted to buy other systems. Some PlayStation and Xbox fans have been impressed by Gamecube and bought one. Either way, saying mature games won't sell on Gamecube is just a mere opinion, with no factual basis to back it up.

As for mature games not selling well on N64, don't blame the users. I wouldn't buy half the **** they put on that system. Can you honestly tell me N64 had a chance to sell mature games? Look at the top sellers on PSX, they were good games! RE, Dino Crisis, MGS, Blood Omen, Soul Reaver, etc. Then look at N64, it had a couple, but it never got the good titles that PSX had, so do you really expect titles to sell?

Nobody buys a game because it's rated M. They buy games because they appeal to them, because they're good games. PSX had the good mature games, N64 only had a few. If MGS was on N64, it would've sold like crazy. It didn't sell because PSX owners like mature games, it sold because the game kicked ass! GoldenEye kicked ass, and it sold like crazy. Get my point?

N64 had very few mature games that were any good, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they didn't sell. N64 didn't get a lot of the games because they used carts, and that means they didn't get a lot of the good mature games.

Try telling that to Bond...:p ;)

Oh ok, I see where you guys are coming from now...

If I want to compare how Mature rated games sold on the Nintendo systems, then I would only use systems that's lifecycle is over. It would be impossible to use the GameCube because you don't know how many Mature games will be released and how they will sell. But with the Nintendo 64 we already know which have been released and how most of them have sold.

We also know most of the Mature rated videogames on the Nintendo 64 were not that great, minus a few great/good games. But the point I'm trying to make is that Mature games as a whole didn't sell well on the Nintendo 64. Now you can through in that most of them were average to bad, which would create bad sales. Or that because of the carts many developers didn't want to develop for the Nintendo 64, whatever. So once I am done finding the sales for the games Jin listed, I will add that in for you.

That's what I got from gekko's reply, say more if you feel like it.

No, no one needs to say anymore... at all... SHUT THE F**K UP!!!

ALL OF YOU!!!

This thread USED to be about MGS coming to the XBox, but instead one little innocent comment at the beginning of this post has been perverted into a giant "Is Nintendo kiddy?" argument. I stoppeed reading all your assinine posts half way into the first page.

This is all either of you need to know to end this:

Nintendo markets mainly to kids

MS and Sony market mainly to teens and adults

Will Nintendo have Mature games? Yes

Will MS and Sony have a couple games for the younger demographic? Yes

But IN GENERAL, this is and will be the pattern. There are too many quotes from developers, publishers and even Nintendo employees to post here to back this up.

Argument OVER.