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Typhoid 01-11-2006 07:48 PM

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1) Count the number of laughs that the show gets compared the the rounds of applause. Applause doesn't indicate comedy, but rather agreement with an OPINION. If I was still in college, I would do a media analysis of his shows to see how this trend has progressed.
I can only coherently disagree with this point in my sleepened state.

Applause isnt always an agreement thing.

Applause has moved its way into stand up comedy. When someone makes a joke that isnt all too funny; meaning not funny enough to laugh at, people clap. Watch stand up, there is lots of clapping.

I dont think the audience is agreeing with the racist joke George Lopez just said, either.

Professor S 01-12-2006 01:42 AM

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I can only coherently disagree with this point in my sleepened state.

Applause isnt always an agreement thing.

Applause has moved its way into stand up comedy. When someone makes a joke that isnt all too funny; meaning not funny enough to laugh at, people clap. Watch stand up, there is lots of clapping.

I dont think the audience is agreeing with the racist joke George Lopez just said, either.

George Lopez is a social critic as much as he is a comedian. The applause does not denotate laughter, laughter does.

Typhoid 01-12-2006 03:39 AM

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George Lopez is a social critic as much as he is a comedian. The applause does not denotate laughter, laughter does.

I'm saying the applause is usually a pity thing at jokes. The joke isnt funny enough to laugh at, but you feel bad, so you applaud the person for trying.

If you look back, all in all, I'm agreeing with you about the Daily Show.

But you missed that part, obviously. :p

Xantar 01-12-2006 06:00 PM

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3) For someone who says its all a joke, Stewart sure does like to take himself incredibly seriously. His appearance on CNN's Crossfire is a perfect example of this. While he is a comedian, he did enough damage to the show to have it cancelled by just saying that it was a bad show and blind-siding that poor bow-tied idiot Tucker Carlson. That doesn;t sound like a funny joke to me. It sounds like someone who wields an enormous amount of political power and influence over public opinion.

Jon Stewart wasn't on Crossfire as a comedian. Obviously, his excuse for being there was to plug his book, but it became abundantly clear that he wasn't joking. As you know, it's possible to be joking sometimes and not joking other times.

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4) The Daily Show manipulates the news. They show clips severely out of context to form a joke with an agenda, and also tend to do so to one specific poltical party over the other. Yes, the democrats are crtiticized from time to time, but it is rare. They don't just manipulate the news for jokes, they attempt to re-write it for them, and they send messages to the polulace that reinforces ignorant opinion.
Of course it's clear that the Daily Show has an agenda. Any comedy show that deals with politics is going to. That said, I want to point out that the Republicans have control of all three branches of government. They're the ones taking action right now while the Democrats basically sit on the side and make objections. So which party do you think is going to provide more material for the Daily Show to make fun of?

Actually, I'm genuinely interested to see what happens to the show when a Democrat becomes president.

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The bottom line is that The Daily Show is a comedy with an aganda, and they excuse that agends through their comedy. Its the best of both worlds. They can say whatever they want and take no responsibility for the fatc that intended or not, people take the themes and tone of their jokes seriously. Through the mask of humor, Jon Stewart and his crew can excuse themselves from any form of social and yes, even journalistic, responsibility.
Is that an indictment of the Daily Show or the sad state of all other media? After all, if the real news were considered reliable, then people wouldn't think of the Daily Show as the most trustworthy news source, right?

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That said, I still watch the show and find it hilarious when its not being overtly biased or stretching the truth.
I find the fact that you don't find it hilarious when it's being overtly biased or stretching the truth hilarious.

Professor S 01-13-2006 12:51 AM

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Jon Stewart wasn't on Crossfire as a comedian. Obviously, his excuse for being there was to plug his book, but it became abundantly clear that he wasn't joking. As you know, it's possible to be joking sometimes and not joking other times.

Thats a little too much like having your cake and eating it to, for my tastes. Plus, his comments on that show could easily be swung around and shoved in his own face. He said that Crossfire did not inspire good public debate and made people adversarial. Well, at least Crossfire presented both sides on every show and didn't edit information that would ruin their "joke".



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Of course it's clear that the Daily Show has an agenda. Any comedy show that deals with politics is going to. That said, I want to point out that the Republicans have control of all three branches of government. They're the ones taking action right now while the Democrats basically sit on the side and make objections. So which party do you think is going to provide more material for the Daily Show to make fun of?
Yes, The Daily Show lampoons all news and politics, but there is definite skew to the left. They go after Michael Wilson, yet let Michael Moore slide even though his films are perfect for lampooning. Stewart's interviews conservative guests he puts them to the task (but is more than fair and polite), but his interviews with liberals are more than merely softball, they're close to idealogical fan-worship.

Honestly, its the obvious attempts to gain applause over laughter that worry me the most and have changed my opinion of the show. I want to laugh at a comedy, not cheer. Cheering denotates a serious agenda. Also the fact that in many of their jokes their punchlines aren't funny to me because I know the information that they have left out in their attempts to be funny.

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Actually, I'm genuinely interested to see what happens to the show when a Democrat becomes president.
Honestly, I am too. I used to love The Daily Show, but their material on the last election made me wary, and they've continued on their current opinion-making path. Here's to Lieberman running again and hopefully winning. And I'm serious when I say that.

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Is that an indictment of the Daily Show or the sad state of all other media? After all, if the real news were considered reliable, then people wouldn't think of the Daily Show as the most trustworthy news source, right?
Well you know how much I love the media...

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I find the fact that you don't find it hilarious when it's being overtly biased or stretching the truth hilarious.
I would find it funnier if so many people didn't seem to take it so seriously or get a lot of their information from it. Yes, they joke about how silly it is for people to get their news from them, but they do allow the show to help form their opinions or at least reinforce them. Thats what worries me about the show.


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