Well, he is my take on the different "parties" (and yes, this is way over-simplified):

1st party: The company that owns the console
2nd party: A company that has some sort of contract thingy that forces them to develop exclusively for a console
3rd party: A company that is totally independant and that can take it's games where-ever they want when-ever they want

Under your definition, Rare is a third party because they can plublish thier own games... Plus they have no contract with Nintendo to make thier games exclusive. (even though the franchises they use have to stay exclusive)

But like I said before, I think it comes down to the games... there is a crystal clear difference between a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party game... but a developer can develop all three types of games at the same... NBA 2k2, and Sonic can be labeld as 2nd party (for Dreamcast) and third party (for Gamecube) games. So what "party" is Sega in?

BJW, you are talking complete and utter crap, how was sonic for Dc a 2nd party game?

No by Yoda's definition Rare would be a 3rd party. I think a company owning about 50% of another company is pretty close to a contractual obliagation.

And even though Rare could publish their own games really don't mean they can take it anywhere they went. Like you said Nintendo opwns pretty much all their franchises, so you can't expect Rare to make PD0 or Banjo and take it to the Ps2 or X-Box.

Sonic for DC was a first party game. The game was made by Sega. Sonic Team is a development house of Sega of Japan. The 2k2 were a 2nd party game because Visual Concepts to my knowledge aren't really part of Sega's core 9 teams. I could be wrong.

I believe Red Lobster owns the other 50% of Rareware, look for Perfect Dark Zero to come with a side of Popcorn Shrimp and a Diet Coke.

WHAT? :confused:

Uncalled for

It isn't, I mean NBA 2k2...

but anyway, Sonic adventure 2 on one system is a 1st party game, and on another system is a 3rd party game... so what type of developer is Sega?

Sorry about that comment, got carried away by the heat of the moment :D

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!:eek:

Oh, you may have been referring ONLY to NBA 2k2, but you clearly typed:

Anyway, you made a typo, lets just leave it at that :D.

In answer to your pending question, Sega WAS a first party, and is NOW a third party. Your point?

At the time of it's release on DC, Sega was a first party developer. When it was released on GCN they were and still are a 3rd party developer. I don't see what logic you trying to get from that. You're talking about two different situations at two different times and trying to create a confusion out of them. That would be like me saying Canada was once under British rule many years ago and now is an independantly run country. So what does that make Canada, independant or under British rule? Unless I misunderstood your meaning.

Uh, Sega was still making Games for Dreamcast AFTER they made games for Ps2 and GCN...

Other Examples:

Square made Mario RPG and Final Fantasy

Capcom made Zelda and Street fighter

Camelot made Mario Golf and Hot Shots golf

BJW, I fail to see the point you are trying to make here? :confused:

Well that is easy.

The first game behind each of the companies you listed is a 2nd party game made by a 3rd party developer.

the second is a 3rd party game made by a 3rd party.

Yeah never mind what I said, I was thinking that Sonic 2 was released BEFORE it was announced that Sega was going multi-platform.

;)

And I also still don't see your point

So what's a 2nd party developer?

Ridley, Link... my point is that developers can't be classified in parties... but games can be.

lol, you really think teling me to shut up will stop me from talking?

How am I off topic?

Just like in the SNES days when Square was called a Nintendo 2nd party and they were exclusive to Nintendo?

-EDIT-

Why did you delete that post?