A few thoughts on "racism"...

[Perfect Stu]

So many of us depend on conflict to define ourselves.

Non-whites who feel the need to see themselves as victims of racism.
Whites who feel the need to see themselves, or aknowledge themselves as a racist.

To me, each is as "racist" as the other. When inside, maybe neither really is.

Why is there BET (Black Entertainment Television)? What kind of verbal outbreak would there be if someone established WET?

Racism, in an innocent form (lets face it, the thoughts of racism flow through our minds quite a bit...without the sensation of hatred towards a certain race) is present everywhere, all the time. Luckily, racism in its true form (Nazis, KKK, etc.) is quite rare.

Chinese people cant drive.
Whites are conceded, hatefilled @$$holes.
Black people like shooting each other.
Brown people are terrorists.

have I forgotten anyone?

Every time I hear someone seperate themselves from someone else based on their skin colour, I cringe...then I realize that I, myself, do the exact same thing.

We're prone to stereotype everywhere we go, everytime we open our eyes, everytime we listen. I think people are comfortable with stereotype. Amused by it. It's been watered down so much, that it has become second nature. Did I offend you? I shouldnt care if I did...I'm just a hatefilled @$$hole.




thoughts?

[dropCGCF]

Locally, we have two radio stations whose call letters are WBLK and WHTT. I find no offense in anything anymore.

[DeathsHand]

I went to my black friend's house once for dinner. They were having KFC and kool-aid.

[Happydude]

I went to my black friend's house once for dinner. They were having KFC and kool-aid.
so much for stereotyping :rolleyes:

as for me...i don't care much for racism, i'm not really a racist...yes i do stereotype sometimes, but as a joke...*shrug*

[Neo]

I'm not racist, but I'm definitely culturist. I've observed different patterns of behavior such as laziness and attitude problems within general groups of people. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with culture/upbringing.

[Neo]

I went to my black friend's house once for dinner. They were having KFC and kool-aid.

I once saw mexicans at the grocery store buying only rice, beans, and fajitas. That would be like me buying nothing but pizza and hamburgers.

[Professor S]

Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. If there wasn't a connection, there would be no stereotype. The challenge is when to recognize the use of a stereotype as offensive and even illegal, such as racial profiling.

[Typhoid]

I hate it how black people (for the mostpart) think they are the only victim of rasism.

Like, think about the double standards.

Black people can make jokes about Mexicans/Spanish, and call them "Spiks" and whatnot, but if a white person des it its racist.

If a black guy and a white guy get in a fist fight, the black guy can file for racial crimes. The white cannot.

White people cannot call a black person a nigger, yet a Spanish person can.

And i hate PC (political correctness) You cant call someone black anymore. Now they are "coloured" or "african american"

Indians, are now "First Nations" or "Native Americans".

Retards are now "Mentally handicapped" or the ever popular "Special needs children".

Nobody is brown anymore either, they are all "of middle eastern decent" Its the pu**y-fi-cation of the world.

But back to the racial thing. As long as people keep seeing themselves as victims, nothing will change.

Also, i think it wont change, because sadly, Race sells products. The stories of racial prejudices sells music records and TV contracrs and movie deals. As long as they make these movies/TV and music, young kids will see or hear it, and be impresseioned to "hate the man" or "kill all niggers" or something stupid like that.

And one last question, when the hell did the word "Urban" directly refer to black people??!!?! Urban means a city, like, the downtown portion of a city.

Thanks to dictionary.com

ur·ban ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ûrbn)
adj.

1. Of, relating to, or located in a city.
2. Characteristic of the city or city life.

[Acebot44]

Black people can make jokes about Mexicans/Spanish, and call them "Spiks" and whatnot, but if a white person des it its racist.

Really? That's news to me. Seeing as how white is the minority in SoCal I know that anyone who calls a hispanic dude a spick or wetback will get hounded at. The only exception is if you are friends with each other.


If a black guy and a white guy get in a fist fight, the black guy can file for racial crimes. The white cannot.
A white dude can file for a hate crime just as much as a black dude can.


White people cannot call a black person a nigger, yet a Spanish person can.
It's not that they can, it's just that they choose too. And it's usually Nigga not the N word. One reason I've heard from many people is that a lot of the hispanics from Cuba, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and other nations feel that they are allowed to say that word because they are part (more than a white person) black due to the plantations being there between the 16th and 19th centuries.

And i hate PC (political correctness) You cant call someone black anymore. Now they are "coloured" or "african american"

Canada must be really ****ed up then. They're called Black. I call them black. They call themselves black. Teachers call them black.


Indians, are now "First Nations" or "Native Americans".
I call them Natives just so I don't get em mixed up with many of my East Indian friends.


Nobody is brown anymore either, they are all "of middle eastern decent" Its the pu**y-fi-cation of the world.
I always thought that Brown was directed at hispanics. It's probably just different there.

And one last question, when the hell did the word "Urban" directly refer to black people??!!?! Urban means a city, like, the downtown portion of a city.
I have the same question because I have never heard a black dude been refered to as Urban.
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I joke around a lot about a persons race, ethnicity, physical features, or just their way of life because I can and they can too. Everyone I know well enough to actually say this **** to doesnt have a problem with it. I poke fun at my Scottish buddy wearing a kilt to school in first period then discuss whether or not my Hindu Vegiterian friend sits down to eat dinner with their rabbit in third. I'm always blurting out racist terms to my buddies (who are 80% mexican/guati/salvi/etc.) because it's funny to me and them. I always get mine back too. I don't have hate towards any race or ethnicities though. Well, except my own...

[Su-Yin]

i hate racists....and i would consider someone a racist if they did any of these few things, *joking with friends dont count*....
1. call and insult a person by their color....ex: you're ** cuz ur **....
2. Treat a person differently and give less attention (dislike)to another because he or she is of a different race.
3. Feel superior to another person of a different race solely bcuz of skin color...
4. choose friends/ partners (in terms of eveyrthing) by their same race/ particular skin color....(if ur thinking...wtf?!...its like how a few asian-white-wannabes in australia only hit on white guys cuz they think its cool O.o (srry no offence white guys..k...that was a racial statement from me...but itd true how some asian girls here who go...eww but hes asian*..pfft)...and how north and south indianns dont get approval of marraige from their parents because of south indians being a darker brown...(to indians...the kasta system still applies)

i think only these things would make a person a racist....saying i only eat rice cuz im chinese doesnt mean that im a racist...it doesnt affect anything..and its just my personal culture...stereotyping only in a harmful way pisses me off...
but honestly...im a bit of a racist myself...ex: when i look for a job...i tend to only ask stores with white or western owners...chinese..thai...vietnamese...indonesian...etc...treat their workers like crap, pay nutz and steal ur tips...im serious...well from my experience at least...


....the white guy naturally rejects my application cuz i have a funny accent, im yellow...and chinese cant speak english :p lol me jokes me making funnys...white person isa good people :p :D

[Su-Yin]

I call them Natives just so I don't get em mixed up with many of my East Indian friends.



hmm when i say indians im referring to 'hindus'...lol and they are indiansfrom india...hindu is a religion not a race...O.o

[Perfect Stu]

white person isa good people :p :D

:mad:

LIAR!

BURN HER AT THE STAKE!*





*not because she's chinese :sneaky:

;)

[TheGame]

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Somhow many people managed to steriotype racism. >_> Nice pointless thread. Hmm, what should I touch on.

1) Deathshand, that was funny. I was laughing my ass off.

2) And err, Stu, if there wasn't a need for BET, there wouldn't be one. MTV and VH1 simply don't play the music much, and no other stations show the movies. Unless you believe we should all give into white America's culture. :)

I like how MTV touches on a bit of everything, but other's can't stand MTV for that reason. :P

/endrandomness

[Crono]

Well, everyone does have "racism" in them. For 6 years I lived in a small town of no more than 500, in Northern Ontario, not once did I see a black person in town, the only people who weren't white were Natives. And there was only a few of them. In fact I think I saw my first black person (aside from TV) when I was like 10.

Even the city I live in now is mostly white. It is by no means "multicultural". There's only 1 black kid at my school. No Indians/Hindus. Like 1 Chinese girl. That's about it, and a few Native kids.

So naturally I feel awakward when I'm around a lot of non whites like blacks, Indians, Chinese, etc... hell I'd feel awkward being around any large group of people if they were speaking anything other than English or French. I don't like being that way, but it happens. Oh well.

[GameMaster]

I have a question for anyone here who can enlighten me:

Alongside the typical sterotype jokes made in highschool, kids also joked about Jewish people a lot. They didn't joke about other religions though like Muslim or Christianity. Just the Jewish religion and people. It wasn't hateful it was all in jest just like the other ones mentioned here. My question is though, do the Jewish people and/or non-Jewish people consider Jews to be a separate race? It seems like it because they're joked about (at least here) like their a separate race from non-Jewish white people.

[Swan]

Everybody is a little racist, some people won't admit or can't help it. It just sort of happens in your mind and it is a hard thing to stop. Only one thing that happens with rascism pisses me off.

As Typhoid said, double standards. Whenever people think of racists, they always think of white people. Every race can be racist. When any other race call whites, crackers. It's racism. But not many people care if other races do it.

I've probably already repeated some things, but I'm glad to have said it.

[Perfect Stu]

My question is though, do the Jewish people and/or non-Jewish people consider Jews to be a separate race? It seems like it because they're joked about (at least here) like their a separate race from non-Jewish white people.

Yes.

[Crono]

Jews aren't a seperate race if that's what you're asking. Anyone can be a Jew. However, the Hebrew (if thats what they're still called) peope in particular (who are Jewish) are of Mediterrean descent. They are related to the Arabs, Persians, Turks, Greeks, anyone else in the area.

[Perfect Stu]

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Somhow many people managed to steriotype racism. >_> Nice pointless thread.

2) And err, Stu, if there wasn't a need for BET, there wouldn't be one. MTV and VH1 simply don't play the music much, and no other stations show the movies. Unless you believe we should all give into white America's culture. :)

I like how MTV touches on a bit of everything, but other's can't stand MTV for that reason. :P

1) I dont speak for everyone in my rantings. if you disagree with my views on how racism is evident everywhere you look (even in its most innocent forms), so be it

2) anyone who thinks there's a need for BET is accusing someone of racism. My stance is that BET represents racism. Blacks only. Asians and whites and whatnot not welcome, not included. That's wrong. If someone thinks that general entertainment programming is unfairly excluding a certain race or culture, then the worst thing that person can do is give in, and make that visual boundry.

I'm not saying general entertainment ISNT racist towards or against a certain race or culture...that's not the point.

[Perfect Stu]

Jews aren't a seperate race if that's what you're asking. Anyone can be a Jew. However, the Hebrew (if thats what they're still called) peope in particular (who are Jewish) are of Mediterrean descent. They are related to the Arabs, Persians, Turks, Greeks, anyone else in the area.

in a literal sense, you're right. but I think what he's asking is if Jews are perceived differently than non-jewish whites (in forms of racist/stereotypical behavior)...and the fact is, they are.

like it or not.

[Ace195]

wow, I never knew how many of you would hate me and hate OMINUB more than me.. I'm racist and I can't help it, sure I have black and mexican friends. But before I ever started talking to them I talked about them caused problems even dropped the name words a few times.. It's just the way I was raised.. If my dad saw a black person in our neighborhood he was like "where does that nigga think he's goin?" I mean I was brought up to dislike certain people..... And belive me I do.. But I'm not 100% racist I learned this in boot camp and ait there are good people out there that are black and mexican and indian.. You just have to get to know them....


Now that itself is a problem.. Eh.. My girlfriend is working on my racism. so I'll leave it at this.. I'm not racist I own a color televison and I have working color computer monitor :)

[Typhoid]

My dad is super racist, just because the age he was raised in. Like, whenever he sees a black guy on TV or driving and we pass him, he makes a crack about their lips, or something about monkeys, and honestly, i cant stand it. Its not that i dont enjoy a good racist joke, because I love them. Its just that, like, he does it all the god damn time. He saw his first black person in real life when he was like, 15. I saw mine when i was 1.

There were no black people at his highschool.
There are like, 50+ at mine.

In a sesne it disgusts me how racist he is, its not that he just doesnt like black people, he just doesnt like anyone. He'll make a crack about you if your white, but only if your a newfie, from Alberta, or the southern US. Sterotype city.

[Canyarion]

I'm not a racist, I was taught not to be.

IMO race doesn't matter one thing. Other things do though, like the way they act.
Example:
http://www.pocosperolocos.fm/artists/artists1/Ese%20Daz%20Dat%20Nigga%20Daz%20and%20Big%20A.JPG
I don't kinda avoid these people because they're black, but because they look tough and a bit dangerous.
If they were white, I would feel exactly the same way about them.

Stereotyping in itself isn't wrong. Just when that makes you discriminate people.... :unsure:

[GameMaster]

Canyarion! Shame on you, never judge a book by it's cover. Those boys look extremely nice. Please apologize to my brothers of the hood for assuming they were tough and a bit dangerous.

[mickydaniels]

And err, Stu, if there wasn't a need for BET, there wouldn't be one. MTV and VH1 simply don't play the music much, and no other stations show the movies. Unless you believe we should all give into white America's culture.
Why is there BET (Black Entertainment Television)? What kind of verbal outbreak would there be if someone established WET?

anyone who thinks there's a need for BET is accusing someone of racism. My stance is that BET represents racism. Blacks only. Asians and whites and whatnot not welcome, not included. That's wrong. If someone thinks that general entertainment programming is unfairly excluding a certain race or culture, then the worst thing that person can do is give in, and make that visual boundry.

If someone thinks that general entertainment is unfairly excluding something, you can't just sit, beg, and wait for them to give you what you want. You've got to do it yourself. They feel that black culture is not being represented well, if at all, on television, so it's up to themselves to get what it is they want. So, what kind of outbreak would there be if there was a White Entertainment Television? There would never be one, because there isn't the need for one. There are so many shows made that feature white people on television, but there's not that many featuring blacks are there?
And second, I wonder why nearly everytime there's a discussion on this topic, BET is almost always brought up, but never Telemundo, Univision, Galavision, TeleFutura, etc. Hardly does anyone complain that those stations are excluding people, even though their business are run in the United States and broadcast from here, too.

White people cannot call a black person a nigger, yet a Spanish person can.

It's not that they can, it's just that they choose too. And it's usually Nigga not the N word.

That is pure garbage. Nigga and nigger are exactly the same word. The main reason why it's pronounced 'nigga' is because many never pronounce the 'er' sound at the end of words. Bigga, betta, sneaka are common pronounciations of simila words.

I don't kinda avoid these people because they're black, but because they look tough and a bit dangerous.
They don't look tough or dangerous, they're just posing for a picture. Wearing a large T-shirt and not smiling in a photo does not make a person dangerous.

[Canyarion]

Ok ok...... that was the best picture I could find that came close to showing my point.

I agree with you, those guys are probably very nice. :D

But my point is, there are some people you shouldn't mess with. Perhaps not even come too close to.
A few streets from where I live, there's a neighbourhood with people that are.... agressive towards outsiders (did I say that politicly correct?:(). I don't fear them, but I don't stare at them or talk to them.

It doesn't matter what colour they are, or if they're rockers, rappers or skaters....

[Perfect Stu]

If someone thinks that general entertainment is unfairly excluding something, you can't just sit, beg, and wait for them to give you what you want. You've got to do it yourself. They feel that black culture is not being represented well, if at all, on television, so it's up to themselves to get what it is they want. So, what kind of outbreak would there be if there was a White Entertainment Television? There would never be one, because there isn't the need for one. There are so many shows made that feature white people on television, but there's not that many featuring blacks are there?
And second, I wonder why nearly everytime there's a discussion on this topic, BET is almost always brought up,.

Is BET exclusive to black talent? (I dont know for sure, but it seems like it)

If a group of blacks want to form a program that represents blacks in a proportionate rate, that's another thing. Making it 'blacks only', well...I dont see how that makes things any better.

And I bring up BET because it's most commonly known, I use it as an example, not because I have a personal feeling towards it specifically.

[mickydaniels]

Is BET exclusive to black talent? (I dont know for sure, but it seems like it)
No. A lot of black talent, yes, because it's what the people want to see.

If a group of blacks want to form a program that represents blacks in a proportionate rate, that's another thing. Making it 'blacks only', well...I dont see how that makes things any better.
Form a program that shows blacks in a proportional rate?
Let's see, according to the CIA Factbook, blacks make 12.9% of the United States population. That's still not that much is it? Add that to the fact that most blacks live in neighborhoods that are mostly made up of 'blacks only', it kind of does make sense. You wake up everyday, and you only see black people, and there is no reflection of what you experience on television.
And I think even there BET, is nothing but pure garbage, because it is nothing more than a Black MTV, aimed at kids, and accomplishes nothing.

[TheGame]

Is BET exclusive to black talent? (I dont know for sure, but it seems like it)

If a group of blacks want to form a program that represents blacks in a proportionate rate, that's another thing. Making it 'blacks only', well...I dont see how that makes things any better.

And I bring up BET because it's most commonly known, I use it as an example, not because I have a personal feeling towards it specifically.

Dude, its black cuture, it in no way excludes white people... just the culture. Justin Timberlake, John B, Eminem, N'sync (Why? >_>), Britney Spears, and Christina Agulera get play on the station (Along with a whole host of white acts, some popular, some not so popular) because (some of, and in same cases all of) thier music represents Hip Hop and R&B... If you make a R&B or Rap hit, it doesn't matter what your race is, you get played.

On the same note there are Black country singers and rock bands who get no play what so ever. Its not race, its culture.

If you have cable television, strart from the lowest channel and work your way up. Count how many shows on represent black culture, and if its neutral and doesn't represent any race of people, count it under the race of the first person you see on screen. Black people are definently not equally represented on television, thus there is a need for BET.

[TheGame]

And I think even there BET, is nothing but pure garbage, because it is nothing more than a Black MTV, aimed at kids, and accomplishes nothing.

I wonder how old you define 'kids' as... hmm. I think at a certain point in the day it is aimed at kids (If you think Music videos are for kids ;)), but when they start doing comedy and showing movies its aimed at adults.

MTV is an example of trying to make everybody happy... MTV is culture within itself. IT does good to break the barriers between different groups of people and brings us all together. I'd call MTV Rock/Hip-Hop/Pop... with a ton of entertainment insider and reality shows :p

[Perfect Stu]

if its not exclusive to blacks, that's another issue. bad example.

but there ARE like Latin Grammy Awards and whatnot. What do people think of that? Why is there a need for that?

[Acebot44]

Because Latin music is a whole different genre and sub genre of music. Latin Rap, Rock, Pop, Country etc. The majority of American listeners wont understand the music so they get their own award show.

This might be a bad example but I see it like only giving out an MVP to the greatest athlete in 5 major sports (Soccer, Baseball, Football, Basketball, and Hockey) rather than each having their own awards.


And Micky, in my experience with Black people there IS a difference between Nigga and the N word. I get ****in called nigga everyday by black dudes and they use it towards each other as well. I've witnessed a bunch of times when -er has been used and they have been offended but nigga doesnt have the same affect. At least around these parts. You're in New York right? They use it just like I use dude *shrug*

[mickydaniels]

And Micky, in my experience with Black people there IS a difference between Nigga and the N word. I get ****in called nigga everyday by black dudes and they use it towards each other as well. I've witnessed a bunch of times when -er has been used and they have been offended but nigga doesnt have the same affect. At least around these parts. You're in New York right? They use it just like I use dude *shrug*

Yes, I do live in New York City. And as such, I have heard so many different types of accented English. And the main reason why I say nigga and nigger are the same is because the people that say the former NEVER, EVER pronounce the er's at the end of words and always replacing them with the -ah sound. And I have also heard many times, people who talk and always pronounce an -er, at the end of words that end the -ah sound. Utica beomes Utic-er, Jehovah becomes Jehov-er, Canada beomes Canad-er. That's why I say it's just a different accent. I don't know if you've ever heard people talking like that, but I have.