The NFL thread 2004-2005

[The Germanator]

Well, it is opening night for the NFL, so I thought that this was an apropriate time to start this thread and get some action in the sports forum...

As I look at the scoreboard on ESPN.com right now it tells me that New England currently leads Indy 27-24 in the foruth. This is a pretty good opening game, but I'd be hesitant to take much from the outcome (remember how both the Pats and Eagles were crushed in their respective openers last season.)

Anyway, I look for the Eagles to do very well in the NFC again this year...And please, please, please, please, please let it be the year that they get over the hump...I can't take much more punishment.

State your thoughts on the upcoming season.

[Typhoid]

I've never been too keen on the NFL, im more of a CFL guy, i like the game better. But I have always liked the Titans since they entered the league..Stupid Houston leaving then getting a lamer team back...whats the point I ask you. What!?!?

But being proximity wise, I am slightly fond of the Seahawks, considering all of their games are televised...Im guessing all NFL games are...but meh.


Go Seahawks and Titans......Texans too...only because their name makes me laugh with pity.

[Perfect Stu]

Colts looked so good in a lot of areas last night, and I know the loss will not cost us a playoff spot, so it doesnt worry me.

Edgerrin James (you HAVE to hold onto the football, my man) looks as good as ever. Top 5 back again, I say.

GO COLTS

[Bond]

My signature > Perfect Stu's.

Go Packers.

[Perfect Stu]

that's fine, because Colts > Packers

We'll see in a couple weeks [face_hype]

and Germy, about your Eagles.

This HAS to be the "do or die" season. McNabb has his chance to really take the team to the Superbowl...and show his true colors. I'm interested in seeing how this team produces.

[The Germanator]

and Germy, about your Eagles.

This HAS to be the "do or die" season. McNabb has his chance to really take the team to the Superbowl...and show his true colors. I'm interested in seeing how this team produces.

Well, yeah...It's Super Bowl or bust, and the pressure is squarely on the shoulders of Reid and McNabb this year, which is really tough. McNabb doesn't have the "****ty receiver" excuse anymore as he has a perrenial Pro-bowler in Owens. The defense is muched improved with Kearse anchoring the D-line and their spiritual leaders in Trotter and Douglas returning. The RB and DB situations are the ones I have concerns about, but I'm hoping it doesn't slow us down too much. I expect great things as does the whole of Philadelphia. The NFC doesn't look that intimidating to me. There is a lot of hype behind Minnesota and Seattle, but I have a hard time believing that either of those teams is better than the Eagles. I have no idea how I can still believe in this team despite the heartbreak of three years in a row, but here I am, back on the wagon...The Giants will get pummeled tomorrow anyways...

[ZebraRampage]

I have no idea how I can still believe in this team despite the heartbreak of three years in a row, but here I am, back on the wagon...The Giants will get pummeled tomorrow anyways...

I feel the same way. Even if the Eagles have failed to get to the Super Bowl three years in a row, I still have hope. I'm glad we have Owens, Kearse, Trotter, and Douglas.:D

[Typhoid]

I feel the same way. Even if the Eagles have failed to get to the Super Bowl three years in a row, I still have hope. I'm glad we have Owens, Kearse, Trotter, and Douglas.:D




Phhhhffff.


Its all false hope. Thats all it is for you. If the Eagles win the superbowl, the Universe as we know it will cease to exist.

Titans/Seahawks baby. :p

[Perfect Stu]

Phhhhffff.


Its all false hope. Thats all it is for you. If the Eagles win the superbowl, the Universe as we know it will cease to exist.

Titans/Seahawks baby. :p

sorry my man, but the Titans are gonna be hard pressed to make the playoffs when they're in the same division as Indy.

on the other hand, Seattle will make the playoffs DUE to the division they're in. but will burn out in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs.

NFC - up for grabs. If I had to go with 2 teams, I'd have to say Carolina and Philly.

AFC - powerhouse. Pats, Colts, Chiefs, Ravens, Broncos, Titans, Bengals...I think it'll come down to the best current matchup in the NFL - Pats and Colts

[ZebraRampage]

Phhhhffff.


Its all false hope. Thats all it is for you. If the Eagles win the superbowl, the Universe as we know it will cease to exist.

Titans/Seahawks baby. :p

They still have as good a chance they've had the past three years. Just because they didn't make it in for three years in a row, doesn't mean it can't happen this year. It's a different year. Of course the pressure of missing it three years in a row doesn't help, but the Eagles are still a great team..maybe even better than they were last year, but I don't have anything to back that up since I haven't been paying attention. You know, lately you've been against a lot of people..I think you just do it because you like a good argument/fight.

[GT News]

Phhhhffff.


Its all false hope. Thats all it is for you. If the Eagles win the superbowl, the Universe as we know it will cease to exist.

Titans/Seahawks baby. :p

They still have as good a chance they've had the past three years. Just because they didn't make it in for three years in a row, doesn't mean it can't happen this year. It's a different year. Of course the pressure of missing it three years in a row doesn't help, but the Eagles are still a great team..maybe even better than they were last year, but I don't have anything to back that up since I haven't been paying attention. You know, lately you've been against a lot of people..I think you just do it because you like a good argument/fight.

The anonymous "they".That makes sense to me.
Who does "they" refer to?-D is a year. I suppose that makes sense.Gosh!
Who told you that?Perhaps. Yes, even that.I know very little about

lately you have been against a lot of people

. What kind of it do you like?Me? No I do not it because you like a good argumentfight. Do you?
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I answer a lot of silly questions.

[Typhoid]

They still have as good a chance they've had the past three years. Just because they didn't make it in for three years in a row, doesn't mean it can't happen this year. It's a different year. Of course the pressure of missing it three years in a row doesn't help, but the Eagles are still a great team..maybe even better than they were last year, but I don't have anything to back that up since I haven't been paying attention. You know, lately you've been against a lot of people..I think you just do it because you like a good argument/fight.




Naw. I just like the Titans and Seahwaks. Sorry if I like things alot. I will learn to hate them just for you. Maybe that way if I hate everything, i wont say things, then people wont accuse me of falsely doing or saying things that i didnt intend to happen.

Sounds like a plan.



*Starts hating football*



EDIT:

*Reads Zebras new post*


Sorry, i forgot for things to be taken lightly you have to put a ":p" beside it. I will remember to do that.

*Remembers to do that*

[ZebraRampage]

Naw. I just like the Titans and Seahwaks. Sorry if I like things alot. I will learn to hate them just for you. Maybe that way if I hate everything, i wont say things, then people wont accuse me of falsely doing or saying things that i didnt intend to happen.

Sounds like a plan.



*Starts hating football*

It wasn't the fact that you like the Titans and Seahawks as being the two teams to get into the Super Bowl, it was the way that you just said there was no hope for the Eagles at all.

"Its all false hope. Thats all it is for you. If the Eagles win the superbowl, the Universe as we know it will cease to exist."

There is hope for any team at the beginning of the season...well more hope for other teams since they're better.

Anyway, about my last comment..I only said that because it of you saying the thing about "false hope". I suppose I didn't really have to say that now that I read over all the comments that were made in this thread between you and I, so just forget about it. All I really want to say is that the Eagles still have a chance at the Super Bowl..

[The Germanator]

Eagles 31
Giants 17

McNabb: 26/36, 4 TD, 0 INT. Spread the ball to seven receivers.

Owens: 6 receptions, 68 yards, 3 TD
Pinkston: 3 receptions, 73 yards.

Westbrook: 17 rushes, 119 yards. 3 receptions, 42 yards.

That's the offense I like to see. :D

[Bond]

Yeah, against the Giants.

[ZebraRampage]

Pinkston: 3 receptions, 73 yards.

That's what surprised me, even if it was against the Giants. He actually caught the ball, and that one play was a pretty big one! I guess Owens taught him something.

[dropCGCF]

Go Bills.

Why do I even bother?

[The Germanator]

That's what surprised me, even if it was against the Giants. He actually caught the ball, and that one play was a pretty big one! I guess Owens taught him something.

That's actually not too surprising to me, and I'll tell you why. Todd Pinkston will never ever be a "go-to" type of receiver because he is way too small to go up against the better corners. However, when paired with a "go-to" receiver such as T.O, a secondary talent such as Pinkston can achieve a lot because he is not the main focus of the defense's attention. The problem with last year for Pinkston was that he was the secondary receiver to James Thrash who was, in my opinion, an even more mediocre player than Pinkston. Todd has great hands and speed, and I'm glad that he contributed today, and I expect more of the same.

[Typhoid]

Woo!

Go Seahawks.


Seattle 21
New Orleans 7

Damn rights......baby.

WOO! Titans.

Tennessee 17
Miami 7

Damn rights....baby.



That is all.

[CamFu]

Being an NFC East fan (Redskins) I can't stand Philly. I hated TO with the 49ers, and I really can't stand the sight of him now. But I have to admit, they did look EVIL against the Giants. I watched that game and was so confused how all the receivers where so wide open, not just TO, but everybody. McNaab confused that defense like a school boy during puberty. I'm hoping it was just the a show of how bad the Giants defense really is.

As for the Skins... I'm excited that they got Portis. They needed a dominate running back after they got rid of Davis. And no, Spings is no Baily... but he is still an awesome CB. As of right now, I think the Skins need a good QB. Brunell will do, they just have to work out the kinks before they are actually going to do something against somebody like Philly.

[ZebraRampage]

Being an NFC East fan (Redskins) I can't stand Philly. I hated TO with the 49ers, and I really can't stand the sight of him now. But I have to admit, they did look EVIL against the Giants. I watched that game and was so confused how all the receivers where so wide open, not just TO, but everybody. McNaab confused that defense like a school boy during puberty. I'm hoping it was just the a show of how bad the Giants defense really is.

As for the Skins... I'm excited that they got Portis. They needed a dominate running back after they got rid of Davis. And no, Spings is no Baily... but he is still an awesome CB. As of right now, I think the Skins need a good QB. Brunell will do, they just have to work out the kinks before they are actually going to do something against somebody like Philly.

Even though the Redskins are in the Eagles division, I don't really hate them. They're a pretty respectable team too. Portis and Brunell are good additions to the team, and of course Joe Gibbs being back is very good as well. This team will do well this year, not spectacular, but pretty good.

[Bond]

Who is ready for Monday Night Football?

Packers - 27
Panthers - 24

[Perfect Stu]

What the HELL happened to the Ravens? I had money on them. One of the worst offensive performances Ive ever seen.

Time for MNF. Should be a good one!

[Bond]

The Packers were even better than my prediction. Amazing!

[Jason1]

Pittsburgh won...w00t!

Jerome Bettis game stats:

5 Carries, 1 total yards, 3 TD's.

Not sure what to think of that one.

[ZebraRampage]

Pittsburgh won...w00t!

Jerome Bettis game stats:

5 Carries, 1 total yards, 3 TD's.

Not sure what to think of that one.

It's weird that he only had 1 yard. I guess he must have gotten negative yards on other plays.

[The Germanator]

It's weird that he only had 1 yard. I guess he must have gotten negative yards on other plays.

Yeah, our boy Duce Staley did most of the work (24 carries, 96 yards, something to that effect) and he gets no credit...What's the deal?

[The Germanator]

Sorry for the double post, but...

2-0 instead of 0-2 baby! Nice game tonight, lots of offense, but the D held them to the FGs when necessary. I'll take a 2-0 record going to Detroit and Chicago in the next couple of weeks. Way to go birds.

[ZebraRampage]

Sorry for the double post, but...

2-0 instead of 0-2 baby! Nice game tonight, lots of offense, but the D held them to the FGs when necessary. I'll take a 2-0 record going to Detroit and Chicago in the next couple of weeks. Way to go birds.

It's good news. I think the refs did a horrible job with the penalties though. Go Eagles.

[Perfect Stu]

Typhoid...

Colts 31
Titans 17

;)

[Stonecutter]

The Packers were even better than my prediction. Amazing!

Awfuly quiet this week I notice.

Offffffffffffffff. gut punch



..........back to my hole I go

[Classic Rocker]

Jets 2-0! :) That makes me happy

There last two games were pretty close. I hope they can withstand the tougher teams during there schedules

[ZebraRampage]

Jets 2-0! :) That makes me happy

There last two games were pretty close. I hope they can withstand the tougher teams during there schedules

The only trouble you'll have is beating New England for the division..which is obvious. I suppose they could get the wild card, but it's too early to predict the wild card spots, especially in the AFC.

[Typhoid]

:mad: :mad: *Curses Titans* :mad: :mad:


*Curses Seahawks in advance*




Bah. With the Titans i feel like im betting on the horse with 3 legs....and with the Seahawks i feel like im betting on the horse that will get shot in the face right at the finish line.

[MasterMind]

Go Vikings!!!!!!!!

[Bond]

Go Vikings!!!!!!!!
Is that supposed to be a joke?

[Acebot44]

When do you guy's think LA will get a team. I mean come on, it's LA.

[MasterMind]

Is that supposed to be a joke?

No, thats not a joke. Go Vikings!! So I'm a Vikings fan even though they let me down, year after year.

As for L.A., hopefully they get a new team.

[Perfect Stu]

hey bond, want to make an avatar bet?

if the Colts win, you have to wear a Colts avatar of my choice
if the Packers win, I have to wear a Packers avatar of your choice

for one week

game?

[Bond]

I will accept that bet knowing my Packers will not let me down. They never have... kind of...

[MasterMind]

At least you can still bet for the Packers. Everytime I put something down on the Vikings the always **** up. They lose, don't cover the spread, go over/under. Thats why I don't bet for the Vikings anymore. I'll still cheer them on though.

Vikings vs. Packers, can't wait. Thats always a big game here.

[Typhoid]

I know this means nothing, being an NFL thread.

But the BC Lions play the Stamps tonight...(CFL) and BC is on an 8 or 9 game win streak....all i know is its the longest in Lions history.

Woot.

Grey Cup baby.

[ZebraRampage]

Go Eagles. 30-13 win over the Lions, and now 3-0!

[The Germanator]

Yep. A Philadelphia team actually living up to its expectations so far? That shouldn't be...

McNabb looked great again. 2 passing TDs, 1 rushing. 356 passing yards, to 8 different receivers.

T.O was once again solid with 6 receptions for 106 yards and a TD which gives him 5 on the year already. All of the Eagles receivers COMBINED last year got 5 TD catches for the whole year...so...that's production.

I think The Freak also had 3 sacks... everyone is living up to the hype so far. I love this team.

BTW: Where is the defense in the Packers V. Colts Game?

[Typhoid]

BTW: Where is the defense in the Packers V. Colts Game?



Probably in the Bucks/ Raiders game somewhere.


Damn you Titans....Damn you to hell...

[Perfect Stu]

bond, time to enjoy your new look

*attached*

[Bond]

****.

[Jason1]

Haha, Packers lost again.

Pittsburgh is 3-1. :D

[dropCGCF]

I love how good the Bills are.

[Perfect Stu]

http://www.indystar.com/users/multimedia/galleries/2004/10/colts04/photo22.jpg

Colts 3-1...2 wins on road against divisional opponents...BRING IT

[The Germanator]

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/BMIHMFBBCKGP/PHI_CHI_0440DH.jpg

Six crunches for 6 TDs for T.O.

Eagles are 4-0. :)

[Stonecutter]

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/BMIHMFBBCKGP/PHI_CHI_0440DH.jpg

Six crunches for 6 TDs for T.O.

Eagles are 4-0. :)
Someone want to explain to me how that's NOT taunting?

[The Germanator]

Someone want to explain to me how that's NOT taunting?

Eh, the 15 yards couldn't have helped the Bears too much...

[ZebraRampage]

Someone want to explain to me how that's NOT taunting?

I said that to my dad. I was surprised no penalty was called. Anyway, the Eagles weren't that great, but I figure it's better to play that kind of game against a team that isn't that great, because you have a greater chance of winning, and you get that awful game out of your system. There's always at least one of those games. Anyway, I think that the Bears do fairly well. They have nothing to lose, so they can be very good at times. Good defense in my opinion on their part.

[Professor S]

Its not taunting becaue it was not aimed at the opposing team. The week before, Mike Bartrum (the long snapper) caught a TD and then long snapped the ball into Detroit's bench (unintentional, but still) and that was called for taunting. There is a difference.

[Perfect Stu]

http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/42_david/2004_1010_oak_0382_machta.jpg

Does anyone feel like beating the Colts? That 4th round rookie says no.

[The Germanator]

Does anyone feel like beating the Colts? That 4th round rookie says no.

The Patriots did in week one...

I think the question is whether anybody feels like beating the Patriots, Jets, or Eagles, the only undefeated teams left. :)

[Perfect Stu]

:)

[Bond]

I think the question is do the Packers feel like winning a game?

[Professor S]

The Eagles are 5-o and have beaten every team by 10+ points. I hate to say it, but I'm getting bored with the Eagles being the cream of the crop since there are no exciting games.

...

PSYCHE!!! I LOVE IT! SWEAT THE EAGLES, BEOTCHES.

;):)

[The Germanator]

Eagles go 7-0 for the first time ever. T.O has his fifth straight 100 yard game. Pretty ugly game, but I'll take it, just like last week.

EDIT: On a sidenote, the Packers are about to win which means John Kerry will win the election. :) You see, the Washington Redskins game before the election has predicted every single presedential election since 1936. When the Redskins lose, the challenger wins, when the Redskins win, the incumbent wins. I know that this is the equivalent of a coin toss, but still...It makes me feel better.

[Perfect Stu]

Terrell Owens after his TD:
http://img71.exs.cx/img71/3513/raydance.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/espnish/BAL_PHI_0908_DH.jpg

Ray Lewis just got Terrell Owen'd

http://ytmnd.cdn.lntc.net/data/25254/image.gif

:lol: I love it

[Jason1]

Pittsburgh just hammered the Patriots. Go pittsburgh!

[ZebraRampage]

The big game next week is Philly at Pittsburgh.

[Joeiss]

Jason, your a Steelers fan? I must have known that... And just forgotten.. lol.

Yeah, I'm so happy the Steelers are playing so well. I was actually suppose to go to the game yesterday... But I got screwed over. :(

[Jason1]

Jason, your a Steelers fan? I must have known that... And just forgotten.. lol.

Yeah, I'm so happy the Steelers are playing so well. I was actually suppose to go to the game yesterday... But I got screwed over. :(


Ya, big Steelers fan. And not just becuase, ive actually got good reason to be. Ive got quite a few relatives on my mom's side that live in Pittsburgh, I visit them every year over the summer. My whole family are big Steeler fans, its a big deal. Hopefully Pittsburgh will play the Colts next year so maybe I can actually see them play in person. But its awsome to see them winning and doing so well after they sucked quite badly last year.

[Joeiss]

Yeah, my uncle and his family live in Pitsburgh, and I've gone to one game... The last gameat Three River Stadium! I love the city of Pitsburgh, and I love the Steelers.

[Classic Rocker]

The Jets hammered Miami. A nice 41-14 victory. I am so glad the Patriots lost, since this ties them with the Jets for first.

[ZebraRampage]

I really feared that the Steelers would be dominating like this. There's a very slim chance at a comeback for the Eagles, but it's games like these and the past few that make me lose confidence in them. It doesn't look the Eagles can ever make it easy for themselves, but I'll stick by them. Afterall they will only be 7-1, and the loss will be against an AFC team.

I'd also like to congratulate the Steelers on there terrific performance in this game so far.

[Jason1]

After this game it would be hard to argue that Pittsburgh is the best team in the NFL...

[ZebraRampage]

After this game it would be hard to argue that Pittsburgh is the best team in the NFL...

You're saying it would be hard to argue that they're the best team in the NFL? Or did you mean wouldn't?

[Joeiss]

Wouldn't I think he is trying to say.. haha.

[Jason1]

You're saying it would be hard to argue that they're the best team in the NFL? Or did you mean wouldn't?


Um...I mean like if I said "Pittsburgh is the best team in the NFL"

It would be hard for someone to argue that fact with me...because im right.

Thats what I mean.

[ZebraRampage]

Um...I mean like if I said "Pittsburgh is the best team in the NFL"

It would be hard for someone to argue that fact with me...because im right.

Thats what I mean.

Ah, okay, well I'd have to agree with you.

[Professor S]

Pittsburg gets their ass handed to them next game. Remember I said this.

[Perfect Stu]

Peyton Manning is owning the entire NFL right now.

Oh, and Edgerrin James would have broken the single game rushing record if they didnt sit him the entire 4th quarter for some extra rest for the Turkey Day game on Thursday...

[Bond]

I'm going to the monday night game tomorrow. Favre's 200th start, should be awesome.

[The Germanator]

Eagles go to 10-1 with an easy win over the Giants and clinch the NFC East. First team to clinch by the 11th game since 1997. Next to clinch: Bye and Home-field advantage.

[Perfect Stu]

you're lucky...the NFC is a cream-puff conference ;)




oh, and the wink doesnt mean I was joking...it just means I wasnt hostile ;)




the second wink meant nothing





;)?


and Bond...cute signature. but I hope you're joking...for your sake

[Bond]

and Bond...cute signature. but I hope you're joking...for your sake
I never joke when it comes to Favre and the Packers.

[Perfect Stu]

dont make me break off the statistics

hey, I'll give you this much: Brett Favre > Daunte Culpepper

[Blackmane]

Brett Farve > Entire 49er team

And thats the truth.

[Stonecutter]

Stu, Bond.

Both of you guys need to slow your proverbial rolls.

1) Bond: If you'd really take Favre over Manning over the course of a season, you're nuts.

2) Stu: If you'd really take Manning over Favre for one game, you're nuts.

3) If Marino were in the league now, playing behind that Colts Offensive line, with those Colts receivers, with edge, with these patty-cake pass interference/illegal contact rules, with that colts D putting him back out on the field the first 8 games of the season, he'd throw 70 TDs too. Manning's season has been amazing, and he'll probably win me my Fantasy league. He'll rewrite the record books, but unless Manning gets to 65-70 TDs and 5000 (which he just might) it's not a better year than Marino's.

(I'll give manning 3 more TDs and an extra 250 yards because he sat out the 4th vs Detroit and my pitiful Bears)

I can't wait until December 19th. Colts Vs Ravens on Sunday Night Football, and then Janauary 2nd Colts @ Broncos. If manning can beat Baltimore, and then go TO denver, where it's going to be about 60 below zero and snowy on Jan 2nd, the Colts will win it all this year. If not, it might be another depressing January for you Stu.

[Bond]

All I know is I'm going to see the greatest QB currently in the NFL tonight make his 200th straight start. Marino and Montana are better overall than Favre though, I'll give you that.

[Perfect Stu]

Aint Manning's fault he's tearing it up with his supporting cast. You really cant do any better than what Manning is doing right now...he's making the absolute BEST of a great situation. The Colts O-Line doesnt have a single career pro bowl appearance, and sported 3 rookies (highest drafted was 5th round) against the Lions, and he didnt miss a beat. When the O-Line rotates and the QB isnt affected, logic says the QB's doing something right.

Also, question for Bond and Stoney:

How many games have you watched Manning play this year?

*edit*

and I suppose Favre's supporting cast is THAT MUCH worse?

*best O-Line in football*
*ahman green, who most would argue is better than edge (not me, I think Edge is a top 3 back)*
*walker/driver, who are only a couple steps behind harrison/wayne*
*the best array of backs in the NFL (green, davenport, henderson, fisher, luchey)

I would agree that Manning's IS better, but Favre isnt doing half as good as Peyton this year.

[Blackmane]

Remember, Favre is old and on the way out. You really can't blaim him for not performing up to his old standard.

[Perfect Stu]

Remember, Favre is old and on the way out. You really can't blaim him for not performing up to his old standard.

That's fine. Favre is a very good QB TODAY...he WAS the best, along with Elway, back in the 95-98 yers.

Favre circa 1997 > Peyton Manning? I would agree, until Manning wins a Superbowl.

But Favre circa 2004 > Peyton Manning? definately not

[Stonecutter]

Also, question for Bond and Stoney:

How many games have you watched Manning play this year?



Vs NE
Vs GB
Vs Oak
Vs KC
Vs Min
Vs Chi
Vs Det

I watched at least half of all of those games except the KC game where I only got to see the last 5 minutes during some CBS Extended coverage.

Damn, Indy has been on a lot this year.

[Perfect Stu]

with the exception of NE, you saw him against cream puff defenses. Although shredding those apart, he was also amazing against teams like Jacksonville (twice) and Tennessee (when their defense was....alive?) who are potent defenses.

what makes you think Favre's the better QB?

[Stonecutter]

But Favre circa 2004 > Peyton Manning? definately not

Still though, one game, you've got to take #4.

[Perfect Stu]

Still though, one game, you've got to take #4.

after watching him throw away (Eagles...Playoffs...January 2004) a good amount of games over the past 2-3 years, absolutely not. he can still light it up...but he's far too unpredictable/inconsistent.

Manning has thrown at least 2 TDs in every game this season, and never as many INTs as TDs. That is the kind of play to set your watch to.

[Stonecutter]

BTW.

I Love watching Najeh Davenport run. It should not be physically possible for a man that large to move like that but he does.

[Perfect Stu]

^^^ me too. I really think Davenport should be a top runningback somewhere

give him 325 carries in a season and I say he goes 1500+ yards and 10+ TDs

[Stonecutter]

Green Bay has the WORST pass D in the NFL.

McNabb has a 151.1 QB Rating right now.

TD To westbrook, it just went up.

Edit: Actually, it went down because his YPA just went down.

[Professor S]

Bond, I'm not even going to rub it in. You guys will bounce back next week.

[The Germanator]

Best first half ever. At least it's only 35-3 now, eh? Fantastic.

[KillerGremlin]

The packers have a bad habit of coming back, so don't get your hopes up yet - althoug they are out by 5 touchdowns.

If anyone can rally a 32 point come-back, it's favre.

[Bond]

****.

[Perfect Stu]

not helping your 'Favre>Manning' arguement...

Peyton might break the record next week, but most likely two weeks from now

Best offense of all time...

[Stonecutter]

not helping your 'Favre>Manning' arguement...

Peyton might break the record next week, but most likely two weeks from now

Best offense of all time...
The only thing that will keep Manning from breaking the Record next week is if he only plays 3 quarters. That Houston D is a sieve.

And hey, Chad ****ing Hutchinson. I literally cannot remember the last time a Bears QB threw 3 TD passes.

You're welcome, bond.

[KillerGremlin]

Mmmmmmm..........The Bears. I was so happy to see hutchinson throw some touchdowns, especially during his first game with the team. I give a lot of credit to lovie, because the Bears have been in shambles ALL season long. I'm surpised they've put together 5 wins......especially against a couple decent teams. The Bears won't go to the playoffs this year, but I think they'll win 2 or 3 more games.

We need to kick Detroit's ass. I don't know what happened earlier this season.

Overall, I think Favre is a better QB then manning.....but manning is having a hell of a year. Too bad his teams defense sucks horribly, otherwise I'd list them as a suberbowl contender.

[Stonecutter]

Mmmmmmm..........The Bears. I was so happy to see hutchinson throw some touchdowns, especially during his first game with the team. I give a lot of credit to lovie, because the Bears have been in shambles ALL season long. I'm surpised they've put together 5 wins......especially against a couple decent teams. The Bears won't go to the playoffs this year, but I think they'll win 2 or 3 more games.

We need to kick Detroit's ass. I don't know what happened earlier this season.

Overall, I think Favre is a better QB then manning.....but manning is having a hell of a year. Too bad his teams defense sucks horribly, otherwise I'd list them as a suberbowl contender.


The Bears have one of the better defenses in the NFL. They have one hole, SLB. They give up a ton of yards, but not a lot of points, and they get tons of sacks and turnovers. If Grossman doesn't get hurt or they start Hutch in week 4, they'd probably be 8-4 or 7-5.

[KillerGremlin]

It'll be interesting to see what happens next year. This year was supposed to be the big year for the Bears, but that never went as planned. I'm just happy that the Bears beat the Vikings and the Packers. Now all they have to do is beat the Lions and they own their division.

I really don't know who I want to win more. I think I hate the Vikings and Packers equally, so I don't know who I want to see go to the playoffs more.

[Stonecutter]

It'll be interesting to see what happens next year. This year was supposed to be the big year for the Bears, but that never went as planned.


Um.

According to whom?

Find me some publication that predicted more than 7 wins from the Bears pre season.

[Typhoid]

You know what words havent been spoken in a while?

Seattle baby!!

[The Germanator]

You know what words havent been spoken in a while?

Seattle baby!!

Ya know why? The team is 6-6 and blew a 10 point lead within the last 2 minutes to the hapless 5-7 Cowboys...That's why nobody wants to talk about Seattle...

[Typhoid]

Ya know why? The team is 6-6 and blew a 10 point lead within the last 2 minutes to the hapless 5-7 Cowboys...That's why nobody wants to talk about Seattle...


Phf.

Says you.

Though 6-6, they are tied for 1st in the NFC West my friend.

*Looks at the other teams in the NFC West in Detail*

*Re-thinks stance*

[Stonecutter]

Here's a good ?

What's worse.

NFC

or

NBA's Eastern Confrence

I say the NBA's East. Nobody there that's as good as the Iggles.

[Perfect Stu]

Marvin Harrison signs 7 year extension worth $67 mill...Colts GM Bill Polian made a nice move by arranging a roster bonus which will only have Marvin count $3.2 mill against the cap next year, making room for the signing of Edgerrin James, among other players.

Which makes it official: Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison will go down as the best QB>WR combo ever.

http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/feature/2004_manning_9.jpg

[Stonecutter]

Marvin Harrison signs 7 year extension worth $67 mill...Colts GM Bill Polian made a nice move by arranging a roster bonus which will only have Marvin count $3.2 mill against the cap next year, making room for the signing of Edgerrin James, among other players.

Which makes it official: Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison will go down as the best QB>WR combo ever.

http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/feature/2004_manning_9.jpg
Uhh, they're about 4 Superbowls behind Montana/Rice.

Slow your roll man, slow you're roll, they're not that good yet.

[Perfect Stu]

Uhh, they're about 4 Superbowls behind Montana/Rice.

Slow your roll man, slow you're roll, they're not that good yet.

Montana and Rice were on a better team...

As far as QB>WR hookups are concerned, Manning and Harrison own the completion record (imagine what it'll be like in 5 years), and are closing in on the yardage and TD records (which will be forgotten in 5 years).

They'll win a Superbowl or 2...the late 80's 49ers > present day Colts...but Manning > Harrison will go down as the most prolific hookup in history.

[Professor S]

Stu, its all about the bowls. You can say that Rice and Montana were on a better team all you like, but to that all you have to say is...

4 Superbowl Rings.

Until Harrison and Manning get at LEAST 2, I wouldn't even start debating this.

[Perfect Stu]

so Dilfer>Stokley will be looked back on as a better tandem than Manning>Harrison?

[Professor S]

Stu, we're not talking about one Superbowl powered by a killer defense... we're talking about a dynasty that won superbowls, broke records, etc.

Manning/Harrison can be as good as there is, but they'll never be looked at the same way as Rice/Montana until they get a little ice on their fingers. You know this.

[KillerGremlin]

And with the Colt's lackluster defense, it'll be at least another season before we see them in the Superbowl.

[Perfect Stu]

you can say that about 29 teams. which 2 teams WILL be in the Superbowl? The Colts have a shot, they're on fire

oh, and their defense isnt as bad as everyone thinks. Number one in the league in takeaways, best turnover differential in the NFL, most forced fumbles and fumble recoveries. they give up a lot of yards, but that's because teams have to air the ball out from the 2nd quarter on

[Stonecutter]

Bill Simmons always makes good points.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041210

Colts (-10) over TEXANS

All right ...

People keep asking me why I have a grudge against Peyton Manning. Not true. I just feel like we make a mistake -- not just the media, but fans, too -- of placing too much emphasis on statistics and not enough emphasis on actual success. Certain superstars have a knack for coming through when it doesn't matter: guys like Karl Malone, A-Rod, Bonds, C-Webb, Manning, even Donovan McNabb. I would rather see us celebrating the players and teams that come through when it matters.

To me, the best example of this argument was always "Emmitt vs. Barry." Whenever people argued that Barry Sanders was better than Emmitt Smith, my head would practically explode. So you'd rather have the guy who gets tackled behind the line of scrimmage eight out of 10 times, then breaks off a 40-yard run, over the guy who rushes for five yards a pop, keeps moving those chains and gets stronger as the game goes along? You really think the Cowboys were winning those Super Bowls because of Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin? Emmitt was the heart and soul of those teams. I loved watching Barry Sanders, and he's in the Pantheon for "Guys You Should Never Bet Against," but for one game with my life on the line ... sorry, I'm taking Emmitt. No contest.

Anyway, here's the bottom line: Manning and the Colts had a chance to beat the Patriots three times over the past 13 months ... and they couldn't do it. After Week 8, they were 4-3 and everyone was saying "same old Colts." They barely held off the Moss-less Vikings at home on a Monday night, then exploded for 182 points against Houston, Chicago, Detroit and Tennessee (four subpar teams by all accounts). Now we're supposed to think they can beat Pittsburgh and New England in January -- on the road, in back-to-back games -- just because they've been rolling up the score against crummy teams? Please.

Is Manning having a remarkable statistical season, even when you throw in the relaxed pass defense rules that have bumped up everyone's stats? No question about it. I'm just more impressed with stats like "Ben Roethlisberger is 10-0 as an NFL starter" and "Tom Brady is 51-13 as a starter and 7-0 in overtime games" than "Manning has thrown 62 TDs in a single season." Let's see him play like this when it truly matters. That's all I'm saying.

[Perfect Stu]

um...nobody is expecting the Colts to beat the Pats and Steelers on the road back-to-back. he created his own angle to make himself look like a genius...

Colts would be underdogs in both cases...

oh, and he does have a grudge against Manning.

"ive had it with this guy. making his O-Lineman sit in their 3 point stance for 40 seconds every play. I bet they all wanna throw their hairdryers into his cold tub after each game. him breaking marino's record would be just as bad as Bonds with his 8 and a half inch head breaking Aaron's record"

all while Peyton feels uncomfortable talking about individual statistics after each game

no grudge there :rolleyes:

[Jason1]

Honestly, if your not picking a Pittsburgh-Philly Super Bowl at this point, your out of your mind.

[Perfect Stu]

Honestly, if your not picking a Pittsburgh-Philly Super Bowl at this point, your out of your mind.

I guaruntee it will not be Pitt/Philly

bookmark this thread

[The Germanator]

I bet it will be...New England/Philly or Pittsburgh/Philly or San Diego/Philly or Indianpolis/Philly or NY Jets/Philly or Denver/Philly or Baltimore/Philly.

See what part stays the same? :D

[Perfect Stu]

I bet it will be...New England/Philly or Pittsburgh/Philly or San Diego/Philly or Indianpolis/Philly or NY Jets/Philly or Denver/Philly or Baltimore/Philly.

See what part stays the same? :D

you're a wise man. the NFC is stinking up the NFL, with Philly being the exception

I'm cheering for the Eagles to make the Bowl...I mean they have to, right? McNabb and co. need to get it done this year, and I'm pretty sure they will. I still think the AFC wins the big game, though.

*edit*

I thought I'd throw something else in here. Vote for All Pros, everyone.

QB - Manning, McNabb, Brees
RB - James, Barber, Martin
WR - Owens, Walker, Harrison, C.Johnson
TE - Gates, Gonzalez
DL - Freeney, Berry, Stroud, S.Rogers
LB - Farrior, Lewis, Bulluck, Witherspoon
CB - Winfield, Trufant, D.Robinson, McGee (kick returner, too)
S - Reed, Polamalu, R.Harrison

Best Offense - Colts
Best Defense - Steelers
Most Balanced - Patriots, Eagles
MVP - P.Manning
Offensive Player of the Year - A.Gates
Defensive Player of the Year - E.Reed

[ZebraRampage]

It's so sad that there are six teams with a record of 5-7 in the NFC that still have a chance at the playoffs. There are only six teams with a percentage of .500 or higher in the NFC...when in the AFC there are 11 teams with .500 and better. I know it's obvious that for quite some time the AFC has been a much better conference...but the NFC keeps getting worse. I hope there isn't going to be a team with a .500 or less percentage that makes the playoffs.

[Stonecutter]

I bet it will be...New England/Philly or Pittsburgh/Philly or San Diego/Philly or Indianpolis/Philly or NY Jets/Philly or Denver/Philly or Baltimore/Philly.

See what part stays the same? :D
Still got to win the NFC Championship game, which has been a bit of a problem.

[ZebraRampage]

Still got to win the NFC Championship game, which has been a bit of a problem.

They may or may not do it this year. I don't see how they can screw up this year though..the NFC isn't that great, but the Eagles always make me nervous..no matter who they're playing.

[Stonecutter]

Best part of this season.

Minnesota.
Total.
Collapse.

Again.

Dumbest team in the NFL.

[Typhoid]

Best part of this season.

Minnesota.
Total.
Collapse.

Again.

Dumbest team in the NFL.


I just think its part of their master plan. Like...maybe....in the last game of the season...they'll use an Amnesia potion so everyone will forget about how bad they did.

[Perfect Stu]

Tice needs to get the axe. The Vikings are a joke.

Edgerrin James now leads the NFL in rushing AND yards from scrimmage. He should flip off everyone that said he would never return to form after his knee ripped in half in 2001...but he wouldnt because he's a classy guy. If the Colts make a Superbowl appearance, it will be more of a result from his play than Peyton Manning's, in my opinion.

GO EDGE!

GO COLTS!

[ZebraRampage]

*sigh* Owens is out for 7 weeks. He has a high ankle sprain, and a fracture below his knee..though I don't really know the details. I hope the Eagles do better next week, they were just off yesterday. The defense was fine, but the offense can do much better, and we all know that because of what they've done this season. I know that most of you are going to say that Owens is the main reason for that, but remember against the Packers, it was Westbrook who made all the big plays, and he scored 3 TDs. They have Westbrook and McNabb still, and they're more important that Owens I think.

[KillerGremlin]

Wow, I'm speechless, but happy nonetheless. The Patriots just got outplayed by the Dolphins, in a 29 to 28 upset. All I can say is, the Dolphins deserved that one. They made the big plays when it counted, and they where able to move the ball down the field and convert on several third downs. Very nice.

[mickydaniels]

*sigh* Owens is out for 7 weeks. He has a high ankle sprain, and a fracture below his knee..though I don't really know the details. I hope the Eagles do better next week, they were just off yesterday. The defense was fine, but the offense can do much better, and we all know that because of what they've done this season. I know that most of you are going to say that Owens is the main reason for that, but remember against the Packers, it was Westbrook who made all the big plays, and he scored 3 TDs. They have Westbrook and McNabb still, and they're more important that Owens I think.


I am pretty sure that he'll be back in the NFC title game no matter what, since they always get that far.

[Perfect Stu]

I am pretty sure that he'll be back in the NFC title game no matter what, since they always get that far.

I am pretty sure you can chalk Owens up as "out for the season" I've torn ligaments in my ankles...combined with a bone fracture, I dont see how he could possibly be back.

And the Dolphins win over the Pats was simply awesome.

[dropCGCF]

And the Dolphins win over the Pats was simply awesome.


Let's not forget about our other AFC Easters. The Bills still have a shot for a wildcard spot.

[Perfect Stu]

Let's not forget about our other AFC Easters. The Bills still have a shot for a wildcard spot.

I'm really hoping the Bills grab that last playoff spot. Drew Bledsoe is showing new life...and that defense is incredible.

We helped them out by beating the Ravens :)

[Bond]

Oh! The Vikings just collapsed (again). Everyone say bye-bye to Mike Tice.

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/news/dec03/miket1228.jpg

[Joeiss]

Tice is one of my favourite all time coaches. Why? Cuz he is sooo HUUUGE.

[Stonecutter]

Chargers will beat the Colts.

You heard it here first.

[Stonecutter]

Oh! The Vikings just collapsed (again). Everyone say bye-bye to Mike Tice.

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/news/dec03/miket1228.jpg
Somebody make my day and Photoshop a USDA logo on his forehead.

[Stonecutter]

Reggie White died. Didn't see that coming.

Man I can't wait to see those autopsy results.

And lest anyone forget what a huge ****ing bigot this guy was.


CBS SportsLine wire reports
March 25, 1998

MADISON, Wis. -- Most people invited to speak to the Wisconsin Legislature give five minutes of pleasantries, get a few moments of applause and go home.

Lawmakers weren't expecting the earful Reggie White had in store for them Wednesday.

They thought the Green Bay Packers star and ordained minister came to talk about his community work and a recent trip to Israel.

White did, but his nearly hour-long speech also included remarks on homosexuality, race and slavery that turned the Assembly's applause to stunned silence.

White said the United States has gotten away from God, in part by allowing homosexuality to "run rampant."

HOMOSEXUALITY IS a sin, and the plight of gays and lesbians should not be compared to that of blacks, White told lawmakers.

"Homosexuality is a decision, it's not a race," White said. "People from all different ethnic backgrounds live in this lifestyle. But people from all different ethnic backgrounds also are liars and cheaters and malicious and back-stabbing."

White said he has thought about why God created different races. Each race has certain gifts, he said.

Blacks are gifted at worship and celebration, White said.

"If you go to a black church, you see people jumping up and down because they really get into it," he said.

Whites are good at organization, White said.

"You guys do a good job of building businesses and things of that nature, and you know how to tap into money," he said.

"Hispanics were gifted in family structure, and you can see a Hispanic person, and they can put 20, 30 people in one home."

THE JAPANESE AND other Asians are inventive, and "can turn a television into a watch," White said. Indians are gifted in spirituality, he said.

"When you put all of that together, guess what it makes: It forms a complete image of God," White said.

White said later that his comments were about coming together as a society and were not meant to stereotype the races.

"This is the first time I've been at a loss for words," Assembly Minority Leader Walter Kunicki, D-Milwaukee, said after White's speech. "You can still tell from the tension in the room that much of this was offensive."

[Bond]

Can't you just let the man rest in peace?

[Typhoid]

Reggie White died. Didn't see that coming.

Man I can't wait to see those autopsy results.

And lest anyone forget what a huge ****ing bigot this guy was.


http://img3.img.nexopia.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Perfect Stu]

Chargers will beat the Colts.

You heard it here first.

http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/feature/2004_manning_18.jpg

0 for 1, Stoney ;)

3 WR with 1000+ yards and 10+ TDs? Unbelievable...

[Stonecutter]

http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/feature/2004_manning_18.jpg

0 for 1, Stoney ;)

3 WR with 1000+ yards and 10+ TDs? Unbelievable...
Hey.

Looked real good for about 58 minutes.

[Perfect Stu]

Hey.

Looked real good for about 58 minutes.

and that's exactly why I love the Colts :D ;)

[Joeiss]

I just got a Steelers hat today. :) I feel like I am sort of jumping on the bandwagon.. .But I did have a Steelers hat back in grade 3...

[Bond]

Bandwagon fans make me sick... and I can't believe the Vikings picked up the option on Tice. What gives?

[Joeiss]

Tice is amazing. One of the coolest coaches ever!

[Perfect Stu]

Tice is a moron, I love the fact that the Vikings picked up his contract...the NFC will remain a trash hole.

[ZebraRampage]

The playoffs are set.

AFC:

New England Patriots
Pittsburgh
Indianapolis
San Diego
New York Jets
Denver

NFC:

Philadelphia
Atlanta
Green Bay
Seattle
St. Louis
Minnesota

[KillerGremlin]

The playoffs are set.

AFC:

New England Patriots
Pittsburgh
Indianapolis
San Diego
New York Jets
Denver

NFC:

Philadelphia
Atlanta
Green Bay
Seattle
St. Louis
Minnesota

Denver plays Indianapolis next week - which will truly be a fun game to watch. We shall see how the Colt's defense holds up. I don't expect much out of Minnesota, so I'm not even going to worry about them. And if the Rams pull another field-goal shoot out like they did with the Panthers.......well, that'll be yummy to watch.

Pittsburgh is 15 and 1. I don't want to be the pessimist, but they have had several close games this year. We shall see how they fare against the rest of the teams. I still think Pittsburgh will choke.

Go Eagles!

[Stonecutter]

This has been unstuck, so I'm giving it one last bump-a-rooo to keep it on the board for now.