Russian Kids in Big Trouble

[Crash]

hundred of kids taken hostage at a school


http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0002%2F20040901%2F0703345181.htm&sc=roitz&photoid=20040901MOS06&floc=NW_1-T

[mickydaniels]

Yeah, I saw that this morning at around 6 before I left for school. Knowing the history of Putin's plans hostage rescues, a lot of people are going to die.

[Crono]

Yeah, I saw that this morning at around 6 before I left for school. Knowing the history of Putin's plans hostage rescues, a lot of people are going to die.

Russia doesn't negotiate with terrorists, at least not Chechen terrorist scum. It may not be the best solution, but it is the Russian way.

[Crash]

what kinda fuct up group takes kids hostage?

[Crono]

what kinda fuct up group takes kids hostage?

Desperate terrorists like those. The Chechens have already beheaded hundreds of young Russian soldiers (most who were conscripted at the age of 18) for not converting to their religion (...Islam).

And all this happens because the Russian government refuses to recognize Chechnya as an independent state (and really, it's so frickin small you probably couldn't even point out it on the damned globe, so who the hell cares).

It's sick. The Caucus (part of the world that exists between Russia and Turkey) is one of the most dangerous parts of the world. There's at least 2 wars going on, and 1 ceasefire (I think).

[Typhoid]

I heard about this, this morning, and i was amazed how they could hold elementary students hostage..Its sickening.

[Crash]

well the article says secondary school, which is high school *shrugs*

[mickydaniels]

well the article says secondary school, which is high school *shrugs*

I thought that was understood by all, already.

Grades 1-8, primary school since they used to be in the same school until the mid 1900's
and

grades 9-12, secondary school.

They use the same distinctions here, too.

[Canyarion]

:( That's just sick......
I really don't understand why Russia doesn't let them have their country! :mad:

[Crono]

:( That's just sick......
I really don't understand why Russia doesn't let them have their country! :mad:

Well, Chechnya also invaded a neighbouring Russian republic called Dagestan. If the Chechens attacked another Russian republic, why should they be deserving of their own land?

And would you want a country to be controlled by Islamic terrorists? More of the reason to keep it in the federation.

[mickydaniels]

:( That's just sick......
I really don't understand why Russia doesn't let them have their country! :mad:


Do we really need another Eastern European nation?
Perhaps what you should ask is why can't they just live together?

[Fox 6]

I'm not defending the terrorists or anything but russia went into Chechnya in 1994 to make them part of russia.

[Typhoid]

I thought that was understood by all, already.

Grades 1-8, primary school since they used to be in the same school until the mid 1900's
and

grades 9-12, secondary school.

They use the same distinctions here, too.


I didnt read the article, i heard it on the radio, i guess the guy messed up. My mistake.

[GameMaster]

It's a great strategy, cold and heartless, but powerful nonetheless. With all those children it's going to be hard for Russia not to negotiate. They have a lot on the line if they decide to be tough and just ignore the requests.

[Professor S]

It doesn't matter. You DO NOT negotiate. Not one concession. Not one word. The only way to convince terrorists that these tactics will not work is by not allowing them to work. If you give them ANYTHING, it will only encourage more terrorist acts such as this.

Is that a harsh stance? Yes, and a difficult one too, but its the only way to handle the situation without creating even more problems.

Look at Spain. One train bombing and their whole society caved in to the pressure and what was a close race became a blow out. Do you think that didn't encourage the terrorists to try even more attacks like that one? They affected the ELECTION PROCESS of another nation, so they most likely will try and do it again.

[Yugi Starwind]

that's just sad and sick. my dad's going to russia in a few days..i hpe he's okay whilst there..and i think he's going to moscow, too!

[Happydude]

stupid people...can't they all just get along, the terrorists don't understand that whoever was captured and is now in jail got there because of what they, and exactly what these guys are doing now, how stupid do you have to be to not realize what you are doing....they want to be their own counrty...WHY?! i don't see a point, it would be much easier and much less of a hastle if they stayed with the federation.

[Crono]

I'm not defending the terrorists or anything but russia went into Chechnya in 1994 to make them part of russia.

Chechnya has been part of Russia for nearly a century. The Chechens wanted freedom from the USSR, but when it collapsed in 1991 the Russians made it part of their federation, and not one of the newly formed states.

They proclaimed freedom but Russia ignored them.

It was the Chechens who started this by invading a neighbouring Russian territory called Dagestan.


Do we really need another Eastern European nation?

I don't want to be a smart ass, but.. Chechnya is not in Eastern Europe. It is in the Caucus, which is directly north of Turkey and Iran. Other countries located in the area is Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. If I'm not mistaken it is considered Asia Minor, or Southwest Asia.

Aside from that, a number of the former communist countries in Eastern Europe are slowly recovering (Poland, Czech Republic have already improved a lot since 1991). So even if it was in East Europe, what are you implying?

[Canyarion]

that's just sad and sick. my dad's going to russia in a few days..i hpe he's okay whilst there..and i think he's going to moscow, too!
This drama is not in Moscow.....

And Happydude, I think the Chechens are being discriminated by the Russians, I'm not sure about that.

I don't want to judge on the situation because I don't totally understand it....

[Canyarion]

Blech. They invaded. People died. It's not over yet. :mad:

[Professor S]

When are terrorists going to understand that you don't **** with Mother Russia? Has the government ever done ANYTHING remotely like a concession, or do they attack and kill people?

Hey terrorists... GET A CLUE.

[Crono]

Blech. They invaded. People died. It's not over yet. :mad:

I already said why the Russians invaded Chechnya. It's because Chechen forces invaded Dagestan, a neighbouring Russian republic in the federation.

[Canyarion]

.......... they invaded the BUILDING ok?

[Fox 6]

Yes lots of people died, and not just Terrorists. :(

[Crono]

.......... they invaded the BUILDING ok?

I'm not talking about what happened the other day. What I said has nothing to do with it.

I'm talking about why there is conflict between Russia and Chechnya. There is your reason. If you ever payed attention to what goes on there, you'd know.

[DeathsHand]

I'm not talking about what happened the other day. What I said has nothing to do with it.

I'm talking about why there is conflict between Russia and Chechnya. There is your reason. If you ever payed attention to what goes on there, you'd know.

He meant police (or whatever Russian forces) conducted a raid on the building, lasted a number of hours, people died, and apparently there's still gunfire last I heard? Apparently some of the terrorists escaped? But so did a bunch of the hostages...

Unless I'm just confused as well?

Here's da news (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/03/russia.school/index.html)

[Crono]

He meant police (or whatever Russian forces) conducted a raid on the building, lasted a number of hours, people died, and apparently there's still gunfire last I heard? Apparently some of the terrorists escaped? But so did a bunch of the hostages...

Unless I'm just confused as well?

Here's da news (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/03/russia.school/index.html)

Bah.

He said earlier that he didn't know why Russian invaded Chechnya in the first place.

That was my answer.

[Dylflon]

It's sad how many kids have been killed. Very sad indeed.