If you could make a difference....

[ProjectMayhem]

If you could make a significant difference in the world, what would it be?

[GameMaster]

Well the cliche one would have to be more peace and caring and less violence and hatred.

But then my own personal one would be to have society live simple and not have a world where all we focus on is progression and making things faster and better. Some of that is cool, but I think sometimes we get too caught up in it, and life just kind of passes by while we're focusing on that. I'm thinking like a Crystal Chronicle type world, it may be a little corny, but I think it'd also just be simple and peaceful.

[Acebot44]

Eh, I really don't know.

Raise the salaries of teachers so that intelligent people would fight for the job just as they do for careers in medicine and law.

What would you do Mayhem??

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

I'd provide people who don't have any chance of bettering their lives, an opportunity to do just that, gain an education, and make a lucrative life.

[Fox 6]

make a time machine, travel back in time and kill Hitler :p

[Typhoid]

I know, like GM said, it's super cliché, but i would make it so war just doesnt exist. Things would be much better without any war at all.

[Crash]

"if I could give the world a Coke"

[Dylflon]

No more war.

[Swan]

But then my own personal one would be to have society live simple and not have a world where all we focus on is progression and making things faster and better. Some of that is cool, but I think sometimes we get too caught up in it, and life just kind of passes by while we're focusing on that. I'm thinking like a Crystal Chronicle type world, it may be a little corny, but I think it'd also just be simple and peaceful.

Amen! That is one of the thing I don't like about our modern world. Even though we depend on it, I still think we could live alot better without it. I frankly can't stand big cities.


make a time machine, travel back in time and kill Hitler :p

Tsk tsk, Fox 6. Didn't you learn anything from Futurama today :p

[Typhoid]

Thinking about it...I would want to have a society that doesnt really count on the all mighty dollar for everything...Kind of like FFX.....i know GM said it...but i agree with this as well.

[Rubber Kitty]

I'd make myself ruler of the world. None of this namby-pamby peace and good will crap :D

EDIT: and then I'd blow up France :D

[Canyarion]

I have family in France! :baby:

I would teach people to respect and love each other.... the answer to all problems?

[Ace195]

Alright angrist who you inlove with because I just noticed your title ? .... And people who are like I would get rid of war meh.. You'd just put millions of people out of work.. And tell me if there are no jobs for the people now where would they come from ? Fox 6 I have to disagree with the going back into time and killing hitler, I mean if you were to go back and then kill him then you would change events of the past and alter the future for possibly a worse off armageddon type situation..... But other than that I would make sure the US and it's allies had the biggest guns. My dad told me this once.. "Peace is secured by overwhemling firepower." Cuz I mean who wants to F.. With the guy with the biggest guns ?

If that doesn't pan out.. I'd say end world hunger because I mean more people die from that then war so........... F that..

[Dark Samurai]

I'd reserve that for when the real time comes, WHEN THE ALIENS COME!!

EDIT: 1100 whoo!

[Jonbo298]

Get rid of Bush

(sry, someone was gonna say it eventually so I decided to :p )

[Crono]

If I could make a difference, I'd get rid of all the **** music like rap and pop which poisons the minds of today's youth.

[Canyarion]

OMG Ace I think you actually believe your won bull****!!
What if all these soldiers go grow vegetables or something? Tsssk.. :rolleyes:
War doesn't produce anything, it just consumes.
Construction <--> Destrucion, get it?

Edit: who pays for you guys? The government. Where do they get their money from? From us civilians.
So WE are paying for you (not that I disagree with that).
So stop griming "oooh without my job I wouldn't have any money!". :...:

PS: No offense, this is just how I think about it. Nothing personal.

[ZebraRampage]

How would we just get rid of war..? It doesn't seem too easy.

[Canyarion]

........
A) that's not the point.
B) I already answered that on the first page. Just make people respect and love eachother.... but I don't think humanity can achieve that, so we'll need 'a' God.... but don't mind me.

[Crono]

World peace is impossible. Humanity will destroy itself before world peace can ever be achieved.

It's true.

[Rubber Kitty]

Not if the robots kill us all first! :distress:

:D

[The Germanator]

If I could make a difference, I'd get rid of all the **** music like rap and pop which poisons the minds of today's youth.

What about good hip-hop and pop? That should not be ridden of.

[ProjectMayhem]

OMG Ace I think you actually believe your won bull****!!
What if all these soldiers go grow vegetables or something? Tsssk.. :rolleyes:
War doesn't produce anything, it just consumes.
Construction <--> Destrucion, get it?

Edit: who pays for you guys? The government. Where do they get their money from? From us civilians.
So WE are paying for you (not that I disagree with that).
So stop griming "oooh without my job I wouldn't have any money!". :...:

PS: No offense, this is just how I think about it. Nothing personal.
Thats not true, War does create huge economical increases, makings jobs from soldiors, to bomb makers, to janitors working in bomb factories. War also forces technology to jump in huge leaps and bounds, sometimes for the better, for example, the V2 rocket, invented by the Germans during WWII, is the base theory for all space fairing vessels used today.

As for Ace's question regarding what I would do, I'd see to it that 1% of the world population doesn't own 90% of its economy.

[Bond]

Uh oh, here we go again...

[Canyarion]

Never mind. :rolleyes: make food, not bombs

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Hey Canyarion, your avatars kinda like you're old Angrist one... its got the taht same creepy twitchy thing going on

[Crono]

What about good hip-hop and pop? That should not be ridden of.

Now is there really such thing as GOOD pop/hip-hop music?

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Outkast
Linkin Park
Swollen Member
Black Eyed Peas

[Crono]

I don't consider Linkin Park "pop", as for the other two, I've never listened to them.

Even so a few bands does not justify the existence of such a crappy genre.

[Rubber Kitty]

Now is there really such thing as GOOD pop/hip-hop music?

Duuude, have you not heard of the 80's?? Pop was in its hayday back then and totally kicked the crap outta anything today. 80's hip-hop kicked ass too but you can still find great new stuff around like Prefuse 73, Cex, 2nd Gen, and Dev79.

It's all about perspective :cool:

[Dyne]

Duuude, have you not heard of the 80's?? Pop was in its hayday back then and totally kicked the crap outta anything today. 80's hip-hop kicked ass too but you can still find great new stuff around like Prefuse 73, Cex, 2nd Gen, and Dev79.

It's all about perspective :cool:

Yeah. The 80's had Michael Jackson.. he alone has great pop music.

[Crono]

Duuude, have you not heard of the 80's?? Pop was in its hayday back then and totally kicked the crap outta anything today. 80's hip-hop kicked ass too but you can still find great new stuff around like Prefuse 73, Cex, 2nd Gen, and Dev79.

It's all about perspective :cool:

Most modern pop/hip-hop lacks substance though. Same with rap. Especially rap.

I've never listened to 80's pop.

[Rubber Kitty]

Most modern pop/hip-hop lacks substance though. Same with rap. Especially rap.

I've never listened to 80's pop.

Of course, if you base your opinion on the crap that the music industry shovels out today. Most of what we have now are just sad attemtps to duplicate what we had in the 80's/very early 90's. Linkin' Park? Pffft, how 'bout Pop Will Eat Itself! The 80's were about fun, now we're loaded down with over-dramatic-angsty-teen vagina "rock".

There's a LOT of great stuff out there, you just gotta look for it :cool:

[Typhoid]

This has gotten a little off topic now....Just a smidgen.


the fact is, for what you guys are talking about cant really be argued, music is subjective. Its like arguing the creaminess of peanut butter.

And i remember rreading someone said " You cant get rid of war"

True, part of that reason is because of religion.

Like in the Middle east, they believe that the western civilizations are evil, and if they try to rid the world of it, they will go to heaven.

So i say, one way to make there no more war, would either be one unified religion, because im pretty sure there are hundreds and hundreds of religions. One Unified religion would get the sand out of everyones vaginas.

But the fact isnt trying to get rid of war, its trying to etablish world peace. But it wont ever happen because of religion. IMO anyways.

But if not the religion thing, just make everyone like, or at least tolerate other nations, that way there wouldnt be threast like there are now, no need for weapons and bombs, anything like that. All the countries that pour money into military, and development of larger, stronger weapons, could go into improving society.

Like funding for schools, healthcare, things like that. Build homes for people who need it. Send more money to Ethiopia, actually build working infrastructure in Ethiopia ( and countries in the same predicament as Ethiopia.).

[Rubber Kitty]

This has gotten a little off topic now....Just a smidgen.

Yeah sorry, I'm woefully skilled at derailing threads :lol:

As for the war thing, getting rid of religion would change very little. Everything'll just switch over to possessiveness, especially if natural resources start getting low at any point. You don't need to use God as a reason to clobber someone and steal their land :D

[Crono]

You're right Tyhpoid, Religion is often the cause of war. Right now Islamic fundamentalists are causing the wars. And Jews too, in the Palestine/Israel bull****.

Also it does come down to race and ethnic backgrounds as well. And even political beliefs. These are other reasons for war, and as long as they exist there will be wars. Which is why I say it's good to have people clearly seperated from each other. When you mix people the outcome is never good.

[The Germanator]

Now is there really such thing as GOOD pop/hip-hop music?

I could name a bunch that are good.

Good recent hip-hop artisits: Aesop Rock, Blackilicious, MF Doom, Kool Keith, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Mr. Lif, Cannibal Ox, Madlib, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Sage Francis, etc.

Good recent pop artists: Of Montreal, The Olivia Tremor Control, The High Llamas, Neutral Milk Hotel, Rilo Kiley, Beulah, Koufax, Quasi, The Busy Signals, Mirah, The Shins, etc.

I agree that a lot of the more mainstream pop isn't great, but better stuff exists.

[Acebot44]

Just a last bit of Off-Topic-ness.

Now is there really such thing as GOOD pop/hip-hop music?

If you really want to explore the rap genre, then listen to an album by ALL of these artists. If you've heard all of them then you can see that my style is....well I don't have a style cus I listen to everything. THese are just the peeps that come to mind.:

Top 10

Aesop Rock (Not my style, but some people like him)
Atmosphere
Andre Nickatina
Big Pun
Binary Star
Blackalicious
Brother Ali
Bubba Sparxxx(He's got real skills and great writing. Underrated cus he's white and country)
Cage
Canibus
Cannibal Ox
Cee-lo
Common
Company Flow
Cunninlynguists
Del
Dead Prez
Digable Planets
Gift Of Gab
Hieroglyphics
Illogic
Immortal Technique
Jedi Mind Tricks
Jeru The Damaja
Joe Budden
Jurassic 5
Last Emperor
Louis Logic
Masta Ace
Mos Def
Mr. Lif
Murs
Notorious B.I.G
Outkast
Pigeon John
Rakim
Rehab
Sage Francis
Talib Kweli
Tech N9ne
The Roots
Tonedeff
Twista
Vakil
Vast Aire
Will Smith/Fresh Prince
Wu-Tang Clan
Wyclef Jean
Xzibit

Oh, and if you don't like any of these artist, then that doesnt mean they're not good, just that you're not a hip-hop head. Nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with insulting a genre which others like just because you don't.



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What do you guy's think the world would be like without religion?

Without any consequence for doing wrong (hell and such) wouldn't the world just go crazy? I dunno, I've never been very religious, but I've always seen religion as more of a guideline to my morals. If there was no consequence (or atleast the belief that there is), why wouldnt I kill, steal, and rape?

[Crono]

There's nothing wrong with insulting another genre of music. Ever since Eminem I have hated rap. And all those boy and girl bands gave the pop/hip-hop thing a bad reputation, because I despise them too.

[Hero2]

I'd make myself ruler of the world. None of this namby-pamby peace and good will crap :D

EDIT: and then I'd blow up France :D
Id have to aggre with rubberkitty on this.

although I would make some type of robot or living image of myself so I can rule from the grave.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

When all of you said what you'd do did you think of the consequences?

[Jonbo298]

I'd much rather get rid of Rap past 1995 or so. It's gotten ****ing awful and utterly sad. I see friggin 12 year olds (even younger) walking around, talking like they are black people or think they are a rapper who must go call women bitches and shoot guns or whatever. Rap is not music, its something that has ruined a generation of kids/teenagesrs.

[GameMaster]

When all of you said what you'd do did you think of the consequences?

Yeah, my idea had no faults.


Rap is not music, its something that has ruined a generation of kids/teenagesrs.


Quite the contrary.

It is this generation of teenagers/young adults that have ruined rap. Not the other way around. Because they are supporting today's 'rap artists' who have exploited it. I'm not saying all of today's rap artists are, just many or some.

This is just my opinion though and I respect everyone else's opinions.

[dropCGCF]

Quite the contrary.

It is this generation of teenagers/young adults that have ruined rap. Not the other way around. Because they are supporting today's 'rap artists' who have exploited it. I'm not saying all of today's rap artists are, just many or some.


I dare anyone to listen to any of Twista's early stuff and tell me that rap has ruined popular culture.

If I could make a difference, I would stop stupid people from existing.

[Swan]

You can insult different genres of music. That doesn't mean that genre of music is bad though. If there playing it on the radio then someone must listen to it and like it. You can't dislike someone because of there taste in music. I had a friend like that. He was an ass.

And yes the world would be alot better without stupid people.

[Jonbo298]

I personally don't mind the other genre's. Country, rock, pop (if its not demeaning and distasteful), oldies, etc..I'm perfectly fine with but the second you turn on Rap music (of current times), it just sickens me. And I know there are people who listen to Rap, etc..and they are the people I dislike. Thats my opinion

[Swan]

Yeah, I dislike rap music, and most of the people I dislike, like rap music. I don't dislike them because of the music, it's how they act. As someone earlier said(sorry can't remeber who) all these 12 year olds talking like there black and about how cool they are because they have a hat that has red, blue, and white on it and they wear it sideways.

[Bond]

Rap is not music.

mu·sic

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

Rap is noise.

noise

A disturbance, especially a random and persistent disturbance, that obscures or reduces the clarity of a signal.

[Vampyr]

I could name a bunch that are good.

Good recent hip-hop artisits: Aesop Rock, Blackilicious, MF Doom, Kool Keith, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Mr. Lif, Cannibal Ox, Madlib, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Sage Francis, etc.

Good recent pop artists: Of Montreal, The Olivia Tremor Control, The High Llamas, Neutral Milk Hotel, Rilo Kiley, Beulah, Koufax, Quasi, The Busy Signals, Mirah, The Shins, etc.

I agree that a lot of the more mainstream pop isn't great, but better stuff exists.


pop
adj.

1. Of or for the general public; popular or popularized: pop culture; pop psychology.
2. Of, relating to, or specializing in popular music: a pop singer.
3. Of or suggestive of pop art: a pop style.


n.

1. Popular music.
2. Pop art.


Pop is any kind of music that is popular. I've never heard of most of the bands you listed, how can they be "pop"? Or do you just have the definition confused? I thought "pop" music was constantly changing depending on who and what was popular. I love Neutral Milk Hotel...but I didnt think they were very "pop"ie at all.

And I strongely dislike the Hip Hop culture, and I strongely dislike the music that has spawned from it, and I strongely dislike rap. And I have to agree with the definition that Bond posted.

Most hip hop artists and rap artists dont even make their own music. True to the glory days of the turn tables, they steal sounds from other bands, put it in their music, then lay their lyrics over top of it. Can you be considered a musician if you do that? I happen to think not.

And I love Linkin Park too...but I would consider them "pop" because they are popular. You cant say you hate all "pop" music, because that is a very very broad over generalization. But what I think Crono meant by "pop" were things like boy bands and all those "pop princess's", which, I must say, they all suck.

I dont like Hip hop. I dont like rap. Does that make it a bad style of "music"? No.

I disrespect most hip hop and rap. Does that make it a bad style of "music"? Yes. There are very few hip hop and rap artists that I have respect for. Those are the ones rapping about something intelligent instead of gang bangs and killing people, being a thug, etc.

[edit] And if I could make a difference...I think I would make myself immortal...then I would have all the time in the world to make as many differences as I wanted.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

wouldn't it get boring living forever? I just wish prejudices were eliminated completely.

[dropCGCF]

Rap is not music.

mu·sic

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

Rap is noise.

noise

A disturbance, especially a random and persistent disturbance, that obscures or reduces the clarity of a signal.

I used to hate rap too. But sometimes you just have to bob your head to a good beat. I'm a bassist, so naturally I'm drawn into good rythym. Rap has that. It's not random. It's machine-gun precise and can hit you in your chest if it's done right.

[Classic Rocker]

Some changes I would make.

Expose crooked politics
Create a truthful non-biased media
Exile the corrput corporations
Rid social classes
Create an atmosphere around the earth to absorb nuclear energy
Exile fundementalist.

Rap is art too. It was the art of people living in the ghetto's who had an unfair life, or maybe were just venting. Sometimes they rap about the good times and parties they have had. The same with rock, the media has violated the genre. They've seen which formula's work among the sheep that we call the youth. It is there fault that rap has turned into noise pollution along with rock these days. I'm not saying all mainstream stuff is bad, but as you see in these days..the majority is.

[Crono]

lol +rep for Bond.

[Vampyr]

wouldn't it get boring living forever?

No.

[Typhoid]

I think living forever would be awesome.

People say " what about all the deaths" and stuff.

Well, we see alot of deaths now, as it is. You move on from some, and some you dont.



And about the rap thing, all it is is glorified poetry spoken by black people wearing clothes 4 sizes too big while they stomp around like dinosaurs.

[Acebot44]

Oh, I can do this too :D

rap music

n : genre of African-American music of the 1980s and 1990s in which rhyming lyrics are chanted to a musical accompaniment; several forms of rap have emerged [syn: rap, hip-hop]

Rap

A form of popular music developed especially in African-American urban communities and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.

Rhythm And Poetry.

Rhythm

The pattern or flow of sound created by the arrangement of stressed and unstressed syllables in accentual verse or of long and short syllables in quantitative verse.

Flow

To exhibit a smooth or graceful continuity

Verse

The art or work of a poet

Song

A lyric poem or ballad.


Oh and this one is for some of you that have a never changing opinion



ignorance

n : the lack of knowledge or education

The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.


Seriously, you guy's are killing your whole arguement here by saying rap aint music. It is. Period.

You admit that you don't know anything about rap when you say the majority of is Gang ****. Mainstream in every genre doesnt represent the real music being created on the underground, at all. It's the same arguement over and over and is the equivilant of me saying that Avril represents the true punk rock genre. You people talking about rap, is like a 13 year old who saw the video for Black Hole Sun talking about Classic Rock. You just don't know what you're talking about.

and like Gamemaster said, it's the kids and adults' fault that some people act like that. I don't know if the people in Iowa and Canada are real thugs that are direspectful to the Hip-Hop Culture, but here in LA it's not like that. If you're fake, you get hassled for it and it's quite obvious. Oh, and if someone does where the Fubu baggy pants, the retro Bullets jersey with a matching Hat and the SPrewell shoes, fell free to knock him out if he's being an ass, but not just because of what he wears and listens too. The Hip-Hop culture has changed, but it's not bad. It's just being abused. I hope that Outkast use their next album to bring it back now that they have lots of the Pop fans on their johns.

Listen to "I Used To Love H.E.R." by common. The Girl is a representation of Hip-Hop and if you want a harder more explicit version of this song listen to "Ballad Of Worms" by Cage.

[Rubber Kitty]

Prefuse 73 - Plastic (feat. Diverse) (www.rubberkitty.com/Prefuse 73 - 03 - Plastic (feat. Diverse).mp3)

I suggest everyone have a good listen and play attention to the lyrics :cool:

[GT News]

Prefuse 73 - Plastic (feat. Diverse) (www.rubberkitty.com/Prefuse 73 - 03 - Plastic (feat. Diverse).mp3)

I suggest everyone have a good listen and play attention to the lyrics :cool:

Who are you talking about?
Can you please rephrase that with fewer ideas, or different thoughts?

[Crono]

Meh.

Rap sucks.

Yeah, I said it.

Sorry it is just in me to hate rap. Hate hate hate hate. HATE.

I dont care if there's underground "good stuff", mainstream rap is bull****.

WORD BLING BLING YO.

[Typhoid]

But rap is mostly "gang sh*t" Its all about being hardcore, and stuff like that.

It seems to me, that as soon as a rap song has something important to say, its called "hip-hop".

But i do like some "rap" Like Kanye West, Outkast, and i like anything from the late 80's and early 90's, back when the majority of rap was about political issues, not killing people and stealin cars and stuff.

[Acebot44]

Hip-Hop is not music man. It's a culture. There will always be good and bad music in each genre, but sadly, the bad is always focused on in Rap. Booty sells. Bass Sells. Chorus' Sells. The Gangsta Image Sells. Generally. That's why the indepenedent labels are better IMO. At least half of the people on the list I put up denied contracts with Major Labels like Interscope,(The Evil) Sony, Def Jam, Aftermath, Shady Records, Deathrow, and Murda Inc. because they wanted them to change their style. Hell, Last Emperor got dropped from Dre's label because he didnt go with teh Aftermath image! Oh, and I think the underground is doing very well now, it's just that the surface music isn't very subsistent. And Typh, there are plenty of Political Rappers out now and you seem open minded enough so check out the people on my list. You'll be a better person for it ;)

Oh and Crono, you'll get nowhere if you're like that. Put your hands over your ears and go Lalalalalala.

[Typhoid]

hip-hop ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hphp) or hip hop
n.

1. A popular urban youth culture, closely associated with rap music and with the style and fashions of African-American inner-city residents.
2. Rap music.



It seems we are both correct. This was from "dictionary.com"

[Crono]

Oh and Crono, you'll get nowhere if you're like that. Put your hands over your ears and go Lalalalalala.

I'll get nowhere in life because I hate rap? That's news to me.

[Acebot44]

Never said life. I meant in conversations and/or debates. I don't care if you hate rap, I just want you to at least know what you are hating. You can dislike it as much as you want but at least be mature enough to realize that just because you don't like it, doesnt mean that it sucks. True it's your opinion, but it is nowhere near fact. I think this has gone on for far too long though. I'm done discussing music with most of ya'll because you can't seem to be as open minded as me (except for Germ, GM, Drop, Kitty, etc.)

[Bond]

This has to be one of the funniest debates in GameTavern history. Maybe we should start keeping track of them... or not.

[Crono]

Never said life. I meant in conversations and/or debates. I don't care if you hate rap, I just want you to at least know what you are hating. You can dislike it as much as you want but at least be mature enough to realize that just because you don't like it, doesnt mean that it sucks. True it's your opinion, but it is nowhere near fact. I think this has gone on for far too long though. I'm done discussing music with most of ya'll because you can't seem to be as open minded as me (except for Germ, GM, Drop, Kitty, etc.)

Fine. You win.

:(

[ProjectMayhem]

Culture is of huge importance to society's problems. And I agree with Bond, interesting debate.


anyone think that anarchy is the answer?

[The Germanator]

Hip Hop is prosecution evidence
The out of court settlement
Ad space for liquor
Sick without benefits (hungh!)
Luxury tenements choking the skyline
It's low life getting tree-top high
Here there's a back water remedy
Bitter intent to memory
A class E felony
Facing the death penalty (hungh!)
Stimulant and sedative, original repetitive
Violently competitive, a school unaccredited
The break beats you get broken with
on time and inappropriate
Hip Hop went from selling crack to smoking it
Medicine for loneliness
Remind me of Thelonius and Dizzy
Propers to B-Boys getting busy
The war-time snap shot
The working man's jack-pot
A two dollar snack box
Sold beneath the crack spot
Olympic sponsor of the black glock
Gold medallist in the back shot
From the sovereign state of the have-nots
Where farmers have trouble with cash crops (woooo)
It's all city like phase two
Hip Hop will simply amaze you
Craze you, pay you
Do whatever you say do
But black, it can't save you

-Mighty Mos