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Mushlafa
08-13-2004, 03:19 PM
Who here works out and how often?
Can anybody here bench over 300?
Ya also post any working out questions in this thread... most likely somebody will be able to answer it.

Fox 6
08-13-2004, 03:21 PM
Who here works out and how often?
Can anybody here bench over 300?
Ya also post any working out questions in this thread... most likely somebody will be able to answer it.

The record at my school for the bench press is like 320 lbs.

Joeiss
08-13-2004, 04:16 PM
There is a big thread about working out here allready.. Just run a search for it.

Mushlafa
08-13-2004, 04:17 PM
The record at my school for the bench press is like 320 lbs.

Im gonna have to stay an extra year at school... il be able to do that by the time im done school i think....
Right now my max is like 215

GameMaster
08-13-2004, 04:21 PM
I started doing sit-ups and push-ups at home this summer.

Tell us why you're staying at school an extra year and also tell us your work-out schedule.

GT News
08-13-2004, 04:21 PM
I started doing sit-ups and push-ups at home this summer.

Tell us why you're staying at school an extra year and also tell us your work-out schedule.

Will you finish doing sit-ups and push-ups at home this summer.OK I will tell them when I see 'em.

Mushlafa
08-13-2004, 04:56 PM
I have to stay an extra year at school because im not gonna get all my credits in time. I havent been working out at all this summer btu come september and time for school il start working out again at least 3 times a week. I got 3 ish seperate days for working out....

Back/Biceps ( forearms and traps on this day also )
Chesst/Triceps ( shoulders n other ish on this day also )
Legs ( throw in whatever i dont think i worked out enough during the week here )

I do abs eitiher on 2 of those days or all 3

Typhoid
08-13-2004, 05:19 PM
I dont know how much i can bench, but i can do a bit over 500 on the leg press. I think its like, 550 or something. Im not entirely sure.

But i punch around on my heavybag alot. I just finished doing it right now. I do it for a few hours at a time a day. Its good stamina building, and it works pecs, shoulders and back muscles.

Dyne
08-13-2004, 06:14 PM
I did 550 on the leg press in grade 10. O_o Oh, gym class.

I don't "work out" per se, but I do tons of karate, stretching, running, and what have you. I'm in really good shape though I can still do way better. I'm not building anything at the moment (trying to lose more weight) but I'm toning my arms more with some 30 pound weights.

ZebraRampage
08-13-2004, 06:26 PM
I'll take it that you're talking in kilograms..or whichever one it would be. I can do the leg press at about 110 lbs if I want to do like 10 - 15 reps. I worked out last summer, but I haven't had time this summer. I had a system and I was able to raise the weight every once in a while.

Acebot44
08-13-2004, 06:48 PM
I'm just trying to get in better shape for BBall season. Doing various exercises with 20 and 30lbs dumbells and going to the gym to do some cardio and leg press which I do about 5 sets of 10 at 300lbs. My calves are really strong but if I just add some more strength to my thigh muscles I'll be flyin high again.

When I was training for the marathon about a year or two ago I could do about 350lbs on the leg press, but I never stayed in that shape and I've had shin splints for like 3 weeks :(

Joeiss
08-13-2004, 08:25 PM
Day 1: Chest, Back, Deltoids, Traps
Day 2: Biceps, Triceps, Forearms
Day 3: Quads, Hamstrings and Calves
Day 4: Cardio (usually HIIT) and Abs
Day 5: Rest
Repeat.

Bench means nothing and leg press means nothing. Grow some balls guys, and start squatting. Benching is cool and stuff if your just trying to show off to your boyfriends in the gym, but it seems that guys with big bench press numbers neglect most of the other muscles in their body. If the guys who bench over 300 have good squat and deadlift numbers, then props to them.

Supplements:
Protein
L-Glutamine
Multivitmin
Vitamin C
Dextrose
Maltordextrin
Zinc
Magnesium


Post your supplements, guys.

Perfect Stu
08-13-2004, 09:27 PM
dont take supplements, dont need suplements.

leg press means nothing? lol

720lbs says otherwise. my verticle and acceleration has increased big time over the past year from the leg press.

squats = ultimate power, yes. but to say that the leg press means nothing is stupid. the bench press, you can get away with. it's much less important.

these were my guns a few months ago

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1947

Typhoid
08-13-2004, 10:35 PM
Hey Stu, take another pic where your flexing, because in that pic it just looks like your pushing the fat from behind your arms to the side against your chest to make your arms look bigger.


But thats just me.:p

The Germanator
08-13-2004, 11:26 PM
I work out, but not the type of working out that means lifting heavy things. I used to back in school for football, but meh. I'll usually go to the YMCA and run a few miles on the treadmill, bike a few more, then play some basketball.

Joeiss
08-14-2004, 01:02 AM
Leg Press means nothing when your saying how much you can lift, IMO. I think squats are a much better way to tell of somebody's leg strength.

Ace195
08-14-2004, 03:39 AM
Leg Press means nothing when your saying how much you can lift, IMO. I think squats are a much better way to tell of somebody's leg strength.
Agree leg lifts are at a 75% incline so they don't actually tell you how much you can lift. Squats on the other hand and power presses are something entirely diffrent they tell you if your upper and lower body are in good condition.. Another good thing to check your total body is hangclean and dead lift.


Bench doesn't mean much aside from ooh I loook perdy.. In highschool I was able to lift 225 max . But I could squat 375.. and could power press 270. What I do now isn't about the weight because that doesn't really build muscle nearly as well as reps do. Now (if I work out) I do reps to 100 with 25 pounds. (again if I can get to 100 props to me) In 1 min sets.. I'm not in the best physical condition but I beat alot of guys that are younger than me.. And typhoid before you go dissin on stu post a picture of yourself because I hate a person who can't back up their claims.

GameMaster
08-14-2004, 03:46 AM
I have this friend who's in good shape and he started doing push-ups this summer but his arms aren't getting big. Could this be because of genetics? Will some people's arms remain skinny no matter what? Oh also, my friend has been doing sit-ups and while his stomach is lean and has little fat, it isn't getting ripped, and he can't get a six pack to become apparent. Any advice for him?

Ace195
08-14-2004, 03:52 AM
Have him get on some sort of Mass gaining supplement. And pushups are more for toning than making your arms big if he wants to get big have him hit the gym and hit it hard doing bicep excersizes. Bench is more of a chest and bicep.. (more chest) curls work mainly on bicep and tricep have him try that. and remember mass building without steriods will do wonders for him if he wants to get that strong "big"

Typhoid
08-14-2004, 04:14 AM
And typhoid before you go dissin on stu post a picture of yourself because I hate a person who can't back up their claims.



Calm down buddy. You dont have to minus rep me for joking around, oh wait, you already did. And i never said my arms were huge. All said is what the picture looked like IMO, and i stand by my claim. Im not saying i have huge arms, i was joking around and saying it looked like he pushed his arm fat to the side to make his arms look bigger.

Joeiss
08-14-2004, 11:37 AM
I have this friend who's in good shape and he started doing push-ups this summer but his arms aren't getting big. Could this be because of genetics? Will some people's arms remain skinny no matter what? Oh also, my friend has been doing sit-ups and while his stomach is lean and has little fat, it isn't getting ripped, and he can't get a six pack to become apparent. Any advice for him?

Your buddy doing pushups shouldn't expect his arms to get big. Pushups concentrate on the chest muscle, and give a secondary workout to your triceps. Your freinds is probably trying to flex his biceps, and isn't seeing anything. Try any type of curls, and you'll see your biceps grow. But don't forget about the triceps, because they take up 2/3 of your arms. And pushups are definitely not enough for tricep development. Try dips, skullcrushers, one arm extensions and close grips presses.

Genetics do not come into play when you aren't even working out the biceps. Try different variations of situps to pack on the muscle. And if you want to get big, you gotta eat big. Diet is the key to getting lean and growing muscle.

Have him get on some sort of Mass gaining supplement. And pushups are more for toning than making your arms big if he wants to get big have him hit the gym and hit it hard doing bicep excersizes. Bench is more of a chest and bicep.. (more chest) curls work mainly on bicep and tricep have him try that. and remember mass building without steriods will do wonders for him if he wants to get that strong "big"

Mass gaining supplements aren't the greatest. Try fixing up his diet first. Do you mean bench hits triceps or biceps? Because it definitely does not hit biceps. And curls do not work triceps at all, either.

And yes, steroids do not have to be taken. The only time I support it is when a person has reached their genetic limit while being natural, and nobody knows their true limits.

Perfect Stu
08-14-2004, 12:55 PM
dont have a digital camera, Typh. If you think that's fat you see on my arms, then I dont know what to say other than you're wrong.

Typhoid
08-14-2004, 02:03 PM
dont have a digital camera, Typh. If you think that's fat you see on my arms, then I dont know what to say other than you're wrong.


My god. I was joking. i could honestly care less if someone i talk to over an internet game forum has big arms, small arms, muscly arms, or fat arms. Who really cares?This is the most pointless argument i have ever seen, and for one, i am done with it.

Perfect Stu
08-14-2004, 02:26 PM
hey man it's cool...but you did start it

Joeiss
08-14-2004, 02:35 PM
While reading this.. I didn't view it as an arguement at all. Cheer up, people!

Ace195
08-14-2004, 05:51 PM
Agree I said and I quote

And typhoid before you go dissin on stu post a picture of yourself because I hate a person who can't back up their claims.

I was sayin don't hate. And joeiss I agree diet would improve his mass gain but not nearly as much as a supplement would. :)

Mushlafa
08-14-2004, 07:04 PM
actually i think if he all of a sudden started to eat the way your sappose to eat when your trying to pack on the muscle than it would be more helpful than just a mass gaining supplement alone... of coarse if you comebine them both it just gets better.

and ACE benching hits the Chest triceps and interior delts ( shoulders ) and i think biceps are just used as a stabalizer or summin... whenever im done a hardcore chest day my biceps feel tight afterwards.

GameMaster if your friend wants a 6 pack hes gotta work at it forever and tell him to try throwing in other cardio excersizes to trim some of the fat that may be overlieing the 6 pack underneath.

And stu doesnt look like a guy id mess with. Il be honest and say that i havent but nearely as much work into my legs as my upperbody but its because ive got a bad back so im a little bit scared to do a lot of the excersizes and my pretty bad case of flat feet gives me some pretty bad balance when i bend down its harder for me to stay on my feet.

Joeiss
08-14-2004, 08:29 PM
I was sayin don't hate. And joeiss I agree diet would improve his mass gain but not nearly as much as a supplement would. :)

You are definitely mistaken. Food is a much better source for protein than whey is. Post work out, whey is the better choice, but for every other meal, steak, chicken, tuna, etc are much better choices.

There are many people who do not take supplements who are JACKED.

Dyne
08-14-2004, 08:32 PM
I do not take supplements. I don't take any vitamins. If you eat right, you're good to go. Of course, genes really help.

The only problem I have with weightlifting is working on my definition. I guess it's a long term thing, but it's the only problem I have. I'm working on it like crazy. I don't care if I have large muscles (I'm stocky naturally) but I would kill for some definition.

Joeiss
08-15-2004, 02:39 AM
Definition is from body fat percentage.

Get it low to see them definition.

Ace195
08-15-2004, 03:13 AM
Joeiss you go ahead and eat right and all that.. Thats cool.. In your year that it takes you to build mass I could take my supplement and build double that :).. But personal choice is just that. :) ..... I agree definition is by bodyfat but becareful not to go to low.... It's dangerous you need that fat to protect your internal organs. :)

Joeiss
08-15-2004, 11:52 AM
Did you not see the list of supplements I take? I believe in supplements very much. I agree that it helps pack on extra muscle poundage. But, you don't have to take them. I'll post some pics of guys who are all natural.

Mushlafa
08-19-2004, 12:41 AM
Ace im not sure what supplement your talkinga bout but just regular whey protein wont help nearly as much as you think... if your going for mass gaining you have to eat a **** load of protein and having that protein shake helps just that much more... its like drinking a chicken breast worth of protein.

Ya... uhm... getting as much protein as you can on workout days is probably the most crucial part to working out. You can train day after day, year after year but if you dont get any protein you will not be able to lift anymore than you could when you started.

Dyne
08-19-2004, 01:43 AM
Noo.. no no no. Protein should only take up 25% of your diet, actually. Carbs should take at least 50%. I've read that and heard that almost everywhere I go.

The only thing you need to take "plenty" of is water.

bobcat
08-19-2004, 08:46 AM
i work out.

20 minute run 3 x per week.

Bicep/Tricep/Chest/Shoulder work out 3x per week

Boxing one time per week. Which is a boxing class that really works out everything. Boxing, running, situps, pushups, focus pads, boxing baga etc.

Canyarion
08-19-2004, 11:17 AM
I work out on a freelance base. :cool:

Whenever I feel like it (a few times a week) I do some push- and sit-ups. :)

GameMaster
08-19-2004, 01:39 PM
What are the specific benefits of drinking lots of water? Like what does it do for you?

Typhoid
08-19-2004, 02:36 PM
Drinking water makes you hydrated and not lazy. usually daytime lazyness is from lack of water. But who the hell drinks 8 glasses a day?


But lately I've been punching my heavybag for a couple hours every day, its a good workout. And i think i already mentioned it though.

Bond
08-19-2004, 02:40 PM
I drink about 67 ounces of water a day. :)

The Germanator
08-19-2004, 03:09 PM
The whole "drink 8 glasses of water a day" thing is a complete myth. There's nothing proven that determines that is some magical healthy amount of intake. What do most doctors prescribe? Drink when you are thirsty...pretty simple.

Canyarion
08-19-2004, 05:55 PM
..... I feel good when I drink quite some water.

The problem is that many people don't know when they're thirsty. It's often mistaken for hunger... :unsure:

Joeiss
08-19-2004, 07:43 PM
The Germanator: If you drink only when you become thirsty, your body is allready dehydrated.

Typhoid: Yeah I know. Who drinks 8 glasses a day? I drink at least 15.

Dyne:
Noo.. no no no. Protein should only take up 25% of your diet, actually. Carbs should take at least 50%. I've read that and heard that almost everywhere I go.

The only thing you need to take "plenty" of is water.

What kind of ****ty-assed websites do you go to? If we are talking about bodybuilding a working out, you need your protein levels much higher than 25%. I great split is 40/40/20 (P,C,F). If you are trying to gain muscle mass, you should be getting in 1-1.5g of your bodyweight in protein. And the only thing I need to take it plenty of water? What would this do? You will die without food, man. ;)

Mushlafa
08-19-2004, 07:55 PM
Ya joeiss you beat me to it.... 1- 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight... for carbs its like 2-3 grams per pound of body weight ( cant remember exact numbers ) but carbs are much easier to get than protein.

Ace195
08-19-2004, 08:17 PM
Lol... My key on drinking water is urine color. I mean you want to have constatly clear urine and you want to have to go often but not too often.. It's a double edged sword ...

http://www.thelssa.com/lssa/media/display/urineChart.jpg

Dyne
08-19-2004, 08:38 PM
What kind of ****ty-assed websites do you go to? If we are talking about bodybuilding a working out, you need your protein levels much higher than 25%. I great split is 40/40/20 (P,C,F). If you are trying to gain muscle mass, you should be getting in 1-1.5g of your bodyweight in protein. And the only thing I need to take it plenty of water? What would this do? You will die without food, man. ;)

No websites at all, actually.

The Germanator
08-19-2004, 10:00 PM
The Germanator: If you drink only when you become thirsty, your body is allready dehydrated.

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Other claims discredited by scientific evidence that Valtin discusses include:

* Thirst Is Too Late. It is often stated that by the time people are thirsty, they are already dehydrated. On the contrary, thirst begins when the concentration of blood (an accurate indicator of our state of hydration) has risen by less than two percent, whereas most experts would define dehydration as beginning when that concentration has risen by at least five percent.

* Dark Urine Means Dehydration. At normal urinary volume and color, the concentration of the blood is within the normal range and nowhere near the values that are seen in meaningful dehydration. Therefore, the warning that dark urine reflects dehydration is alarmist and false in most instances.

Just read this...It's a very informative article. http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20020711213420data_trunc_sys.shtml

Ace195
08-19-2004, 10:40 PM
One doctor vs. the many hrm.. interesting.. show me more...

Joeiss
08-19-2004, 10:48 PM
Good site. What I said is just used to keep people drinking water. When somebody is bodybuilding, they must feed their muscles water to help grow.

For help on what do drink in your PWO Shake, click this link: http://abcbodybuilding.com/magazine/windowofopportunity.htm

Great information on nutrient density: http://abcbodybuilding.com/magazine03/nutrientdensity/nutrientdensity.htm

And dyne, please give me some quotes or something about your thoughts on only 25% of your diet coming from proteins. Thanks.

Dyne
08-20-2004, 01:34 AM
After a quick google search:

What builds muscle?

Protein builds muscle. Without an adequate supply of protein, your body will not support any kind of muscle growth. If you supply your body with the optimum amount of protein, you ensure optimal growth, it's as simple as that.

After all, you want to build muscle and to do that, you need a steady supply of high quality protein. You must include an optimal amount of protein in your weight lifting diet in order to build and sustain muscle growth.

So how much protein should you include in your weight lifting diet for maximum performance and muscle gain? Each of us have very different body types and the amount of protein will differ from individual to individual.

Protein intake will also depend on the amount of activity involved and how frequently you do it.

Your weight lifting diet should be comprised of 20% to 30% protein. That roughly translates to .8 to 1.3 grams of protein per pound of body weight. If you weight 145 pounds, your daily protein intake should be anywhere from 102 grams to 189 grams of protein per day.

You will have to do a bit of experimenting at the beginning to find out your optimal protein intake.

http://www.building-muscle101.com/weight-lifting-diet.html

Of course, that's a rough estimate. But the two trainer's I've been under have given me this guidline to not gorge on just protein. And it's ok to disagree. :)

Mushlafa
08-20-2004, 03:26 PM
To get as much protein as the above article sais 1.3 grams per pound of body weight you pretty much do have to gorge on protein. Its not easy to get that much.

Joeiss
08-20-2004, 04:54 PM
I rarely go over 1g to each pound per day. It's hard, plus I have hereditary kidney problems, so I do not want to kick start that at a young age.

Well, that is a decent site...But where are the footnotes to scientific journals or research papers? And looks at this post workout shake:

Power Drink II
1 ½ cup strawberries
1 cup low fat strawberry yogurt
1 scoop(2oz) vanilla protein powder- 22 grams protein
1 tbsp honey
1 ½ cup low fat or 1% milk
1 cup orange juice
5 grams creatine monohydrate

Why would you put milk in it? It just slows down the absorption. And instead of the fruits, get some dextrose and maltodextrin in there.

Acebot44
08-25-2004, 03:31 AM
Alright guy's, my left arm is slightly smaller than my right (I shot one handed and basicallly do EVERYTHING with my right) so if I wanted to even out the size, would I have to use heavier dumbells on the left or keep the weight even?

Typhoid
08-25-2004, 03:57 AM
Alright guy's, my left arm is slightly smaller than my right (I shot one handed and basicallly do EVERYTHING with my right) so if I wanted to even out the size, would I have to use heavier dumbells on the left or keep the weight even?




I would say maybe keep the weight the same, considering its weaker, but increase the number of reps you do with the weaker arm. Always do more with the weaker arm IMO, until you feel they are close to the same, then even it out.

TheGame
08-25-2004, 05:23 PM
Erm... I work out!

But anyway. What I have learned is you should never do more with one arm than another. Just work them the same amount... if one arm is weaker it is just working harder to do the same job as your strong arm, and will eventually even out.

If it is so much weaker that you can't do the same with both arms (which obviously isn't the case given your solution) you slow down and work on smaller weights with both arms and work your way up to what your strong arm can do.

Joeiss
08-25-2004, 05:49 PM
Are you talking about your biceps or triceps?

Anyways, stop using barbells if you are using them. Stick to dumbbells. Try some 1-armed preacher curls, those are always tough. Try some shocking techniques to blast both arms, everntually your left will catch up.