ANOTHER Mario pic (and you thought they couldn't get worse!)

[Angrist]

http://media.cloudchaser.com/nintendo/gamecube/software/mario_sunshine/images/04.jpg
See his left leg??? I think he had the same legs on the N64... :rolleyes:

What's going on here? :hmm:

[azazela31]

Well Eternal Darkness, Mario Sunshine, Animal Leader were all originally developed for the N64.

If you read the Animal Leader review it says that all the models are squary and bulky like a N64 game.

This game is looking sad... it looks worse than Sonic Adventure 1 on Dreamcast!! And that's a first gen DC game.

[BigJustinW]

I didn't know that... hmm...

[Revival]

Originally posted by azazela31
Well Eternal Darkness, Mario Sunshine, Animal Leader were all originally developed for the N64.
I never knew this either.. hmmm.. interesting.

[azazela31]

Originally posted by Shooter

I never knew this either.. hmmm.. interesting.

I didn't know that... hmm...


Well if you check IGN's review of Eternall Darkness, Mario Sunshine you'll read that these games were orginally planned for the N64.

Mario Sunshine had been under devlopment on the N64 for 16 months or something and then they scrapped it and made it a GCN game.

Same with Eternall Darkness, it was in developmnet stage for N64 for around 7 months and again god scrapped and was made a a GCN.

This why I'm not looking forward to Nintendo's first party.


http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2849973,00.html

"Animal Leader started its life as a Nintendo 64 game, and its visuals are a testament to this fact. Everything is built out of cubes, and the level of detail falls well short of that found in other GameCube games."

Also if I was an insider (since IGN's review/previews are locked) I would show you that the other first party games were in development for the N64. So I expect them to look like an ass.

That's actually why I'm starting to choose a X-Box over the GCN, but my I'm still not decided. But the way it's going the GCN is not worth the $$$.

[Xantar]

Ok, so on the basis of some information off IGN and a bunch of screenshots of undetermined age that don't tell you much about what the game looks like in motion or even what the final game will look like, you're starting to make decisions on where to spend a few hundred dollars?

Where's that Nintendose article...

[gekko]

Obviously ED was a N64 game. So was StarFox Adventures. We saw screens of them back in the day.

Doshin was a 64DD game. Animal Forest actually came out on N64 in Japan. Wave Race was a N64 game.

But it doesn't say that in Mario Sunshine's preview, BTW.

[gekko]

Here's a good look at the graphical improvements. It shows you a good comparison of Animal Leader, and how N64-like it really is.

You don't seem to realize that games take time to develop. If a game like say... Mario was in development for 16 months for N64, all it means was they had planned to put it on N64. There's a lot to game development, character design, deciding on the story, level design. Even though games were originally planned to come out on N64 does not mean they look horrible. If it was that way, it wouldn't take this long for ED to be released. But instead, they have the framework down (level layouts, character designs, story), and they have to redo all the textures and graphics.

Halo was originally being developed for Mac, on those old 32MB video cards. No one seems to be bitching now.

[Old Skool]

just seen some more Mario screens at Computer and video games.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_86/vortal_pic_43052.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_86/vortal_pic_43051.jpg

[Angrist]

:eek: They can't be serious about those ones!!!!! :eek:

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by gekko
Halo was originally being developed for Mac, on those old 32MB video cards. No one seems to be bitching now.

When it was changed to Xbox you were bitching :D

[Shadow_Link]

Ok, my take on these supposedly 'new' released screens is that these ar infact the screens from the N64 version, and nothing else changed... And that the game was evolved into the version we saw at spaceworld 2002

[Joeiss]

I don't know about you guys, but I said it before and I'll say it again, I think that these shots look pretty good. I mean, they are not the prettiest out there, but they are still pretty sweet.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by Shadow_Link
Ok, my take on these supposedly 'new' released screens is that these ar infact the screens from the N64 version, and nothing else changed... And that the game was evolved into the version we saw at spaceworld 2002

But they look too good to be N64, IMO... :unsure:

I dunno... I guess it's been awhile since I played an N64 game... but some things in these shots just seem a bit too roundish and such to be N64 screens... especially from an unfinished N64 game...

My take on these supposidly "new" released screens is that these are screenshots from an early NGC game that doesn't have all the polishing and detail that the finished version will have ;)

[Yoda9864]

Originally posted by DeathsHand


But they look too good to be N64, IMO... :unsure:

True, but we are talking about a, what, 4th generation N64 game. I mean, Conker looked pretty good.

[Drunk Hobbit]

Conker looks better than this.

[Shadow_Link]

Originally posted by DeathsHand


But they look too good to be N64, IMO... :unsure:

I dunno... I guess it's been awhile since I played an N64 game... but some things in these shots just seem a bit too roundish and such to be N64 screens... especially from an unfinished N64 game...

CBFD looked better than this, had better textures, and had AA, which rounded it!

I don't know, we just have to wait and see what the story is...

[Perfect Stu]

Yeah, I bet those are screens from the unfinished N64 game...

they CAN'T be the Gamecube screens...they're too...CRAPPY

[BreakABone]

Well when push comes to shove...

*Looks at Paper Mario screenshots*

*Looks at Mario SunShine pics*

Welcome back Mario!

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by Shadow_Link


CBFD looked better than this, had better textures, and had AA, which rounded it!

I don't know, we just have to wait and see what the story is...

Oh well I never played conker... so yeah maybe these are from the unfinished N64 game :D

If not... like I said before... y'know it's still an unfinished game...

[Angrist]

When's E3 anyway????

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Angrist
When's E3 anyway????

I believe it is the May 17, 18, 19 weekend.

[Old Skool]

Originally posted by Joeiss


I believe it is the May 17, 18, 19 weekend.


Nope E3 this year is;
Exposition: May 22-24, 2002
Conferences: May 21-23, 2002

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by oOPuPPeTOo



Nope E3 this year is;
Exposition: May 22-24, 2002
Conferences: May 21-23, 2002


Really? Allrighty then, my mistake. The conferences are always the most exciting... So I cannot wait to get the information from those!!!

[Old Skool]

Originally posted by Joeiss



Really? Allrighty then, my mistake. The conferences are always the most exciting... So I cannot wait to get the information from those!!!

LoL yea heres a link to the E3 home page. HERE (http://www.e3expo.com/show_highlights/show_highlights.shtml)

[Revival]

Cool, the last day of conferences is on my brother's birthday.

I can't wait until E3.. but I don't think it's going to bring as much of a commotion as it did last year.

[Joeiss]

As for Matio Sunshine... does anybody know if it is the game that was supposed to be on the 64DD? Because I think that I read somewhere that Shiggy said that Luigi would be in it... So do you guys think that Luigi will be in this game??

[Revival]

I don't want another crappy game with Luigi in it -- he always runs stuff :p

[Drunk Hobbit]

Originally posted by BreakABone
Well when push comes to shove...

*Looks at Paper Mario screenshots*

*Looks at Mario SunShine pics*

Welcome back Mario!

I think the new Zelda can be better compared to Paper Mario; freshingly new artistic views of an old series. Mario Sunshine is just crappy 3D.

[Bizzyman]

Originally posted by Shooter

I never knew this either.. hmmm.. interesting.

i did.


why are u ppl complaining about this crap. wow so theres 10 million polygons and not 13. uh ohh this game sucks. nintendo isnt prioritizing(sp) graphics. if u didnt know. and u should know cuz they said it about 500 times... some ppl.:rolleyes:

if u want good graphics, go get xbox.

[Drunk Hobbit]

[quote]If u want good graphics, go get xbox.[/quote

And if you want good games, go get a PS2...

...but if you want "innovative" games...

[Angrist]

Okay, graphics aren't the most important thing... but giving a Cube game N64/Dreamcast graphics?? :hmm:

[BreakABone]

Originally posted by Angrist
Okay, graphics aren't the most important thing... but giving a Cube game N64/Dreamcast graphics?? :hmm:

The whole graphics thing turns over for me with comments like this:

The clip of Mario Sunshine showed everyone's favorite plumber going through a variety of environments, including some of those seen in the clip of the game shown at Space World. We were able to get a better look at Mario's water cannon as he wielded it to clear dark ooze out of his way, though the dark matter was out of place in the brightly colored world, which bore a close resemblance to certain areas in Mario 64. We caught glimpses of gameplay that mixed old and new elements together: Mario climbed on a fence and reached a square that flipped the side he was climbing on, he walked on a tightrope, and he clung to a tightrope and sprayed water from his cannon as he spun on it. We also saw Mario blast a foe with water, which didn't appear to have any effect. We saw a few battles with larger enemies that looked like exaggerated sea life--a shellfish-like creature and an octopus. Overall, the game looked very clean, following the art and style of Super Mario 64 while increasing the detail on the characters.
The first is taken from GameSpot's impressions of the video shown.


GS: What are your goals with Mario Sunshine? How do you go about developing a game to follow in the footsteps of Mario 64, given that game's profound impact on 3D gaming?

SM: Actually, at this time, we're on this media tour showing the game to people, but we're not really talking in too much detail about the contents of the game. [laughs] It's true that Mario 64 really was a very, very innovative game when it came to the execution of action in a 3D world. So really what we see Mario Sunshine as being is kind of a continuation and expansion of Mario 64. So while we're working with this idea of maintaining the same system and style of gameplay as Mario 64, the director is really trying to add new elements. I mean, you see in the video that Mario is now carrying a water cannon, and that's going to play a role in the game. But he has so many ideas and so many things that he wants to implement into the game that it would take a very, very long time to get them all in there, so we're at a point where I've kind of stopped him and said, "You know it's OK if the game is more like Mario 64." But I think you are going to see that there are a lot of other things that have kind of been piled in there to help round out the game, and it's going to be something for everyone to look forward to.

GS: Can you tell me anything else about Mario Sunshine?
SM: I think, for the most part, I've said all the things I can say about it. [laughs]

The second an interview with Shiggy.

Sounds like the game will not be as one dimensional as Luigi

[Drunk Hobbit]

"You know it's OK if the game is more like Mario 64."

Just slightly update Mario 64 graphics...eh.

[DarrenMcLeod]

...I don't care about the gfx too much. Mario 64 doesn't look that great anymore, but it's still the most playable game on N64. GFX don't count for everything...

We'll see how the game ends up. That's all that matters.