PSP and long-term Third Party support IMO will be more than that of the DS

[tarakan69]

1.Nintendo's Handhelds have ALWAYS been dominated by first party software.

Sony's platforms are almost ALWAYS lead by third-party games. GTA, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Kigdom Hearts, and SO MANY OTHERS.

2.Sales for the GBA are huge... but the average GBA owner owns slightly more than 2 games.

3. I got this from an article.
(I'll try to find it later)

More than 50% of the GBA userbase is under 15 years old, and RELY ON OTHER PERSON to buy the handheld for them.

So even if you know 30 year olds that play the GBA... they are in NO WAY REPRESNTATIVE of the majortiy of the GBA userbase.

4. Sony is breaking into a STAGNATE, MONOPLIZED MARKET. This market had NO competion.

The untapped potential that lies in this userbase is greater than the one Sony tapped with the PS1 after the SNES vs Genesis generation. Sony will probably hit a gold mine that Nintendo has never even TOUCHED.

5. Last but not least the demograph of the PSP will most likely not buy a puny 2 games for their handheld. We can expect the number of games that the consumer will to be easily more than 6+ (Noting the average PS2 gamer owns over 12 games). This might yeild more units sold for the third-party developers even with a potentialy smaller userbase.

This is of course MY opinion. Discuss.

[Canyarion]

Ok let's form an defense for Nintendo:
1. Nintendo has a huge userbase with the GameBoy. People (especially young ones and old ones) will stick to what they know.

2. DS is backwards compatible, so you can instantly pick up 1000s of (retro) games AND sell your AGB while keeping the games.

3. DS is released slightly earlier than PSP.

4. DS is more of a 'revolution' than an 'evolution'. PSP has the potential of coming close to that, but DS has it standard (and here I'm mainly talking about the touch screen). Gamers will appreciate that.

5. Japanese instantly fall in love with gadgets.

6. DS has Pokémon. Have you seen the Pikachu demo?? Japanese will go crazy over that! Portable fun, wireless gameplay, innovation.... :love:

[bobcat]

Dunno if it's just me, but honestly I can't imagine playing epic games on a handheld. I just don't have the time to look at a handheld for so long.

But the PSP/DS do still look exciting, I'm just a bit worried about the games to be released on it. If it's games like FFVII, and MGS then I probably won't play them because they take way too long to play.

That's why I love my GBA and Yoshi's Island :D That game is so fun.

[MuGen]

IMO... there shouldn't be anymore of these threads outlining the good and the bad of both handhelds....

too many...

tedious...

annoying...

i'm about to explode.. :(

[DarkMaster]

DS has Pokémon. Have you seen the Pikachu demo?? Japanese will go crazy over that! Portable fun, wireless gameplay, innovation.... :love:
Wait a minute....Pokemon is on handhelds now!?!?

HOLY SWEET

[Jonbo298]

1) The reasons Nintendo's handhelds have dominated by first party software is because 3rd party companies half ass a game to the GBA. Nintendo takes time to make a GBA game.

2) Oh well if they only own 2. As mainstream as gaming has gotten, not everyone needs to blow money on many many games.

3) What is wrong with a majority being a young userbase? Tell me what is wrong with that. I don't see anything wrong with it. Nintendo has stated in the past that getting hold of the young userbase also is a good thing because as they get older, they will buy more games, consoles, etc...Your just one of them blind people that thinks kids dont help the industry. Remember, back in the 80's/90's we were kids playing games. And look where we are now.

And who cares if we know 30 year olds who aren't a majority. They are playing games, they are helping keep the industry alive.

4) Yes, the handheld market is a little one-sided but it has a little competition in Japan the most. There has been attempts in the past but the US market never embraced other handhelds enough. I've already said in the past that the handheld market needs some competition so I'm just stopping here.

5) I'm just leaving that alone.

[Perfect Stu]

I agree with the long-term 3rd party support idea. Sony seems to have very solid relationships with 3rd party developers, and I also think that the PSP will have a higher software attach rate than previous handheld systems.

[BreakABone]

You know I have the opposite logic.

Would someone be more willing to buy Metal Gear Solid for PSP or PS2/PS3?

I mean sure the games look good, they look almost PS2 quality, but em... what makes em different?

Mario/Zelda/Metroid till exist on the GameCube and GBA, but the games look and to some extent play differently on each system, you have a reason to buy them on handhelds.

Also, I;m just curious as to how you find that the average PSP gamer will be a large amount of games?

I mean there are somethings, I can understand from press packets and info and stuff like that, but that just seems to be your own belief, not backed up by anything solid. I mean not even a nugget you stretched.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

i think the DS and PSP will make a steady competition toward one another. Each have huge fanbases, i personally prefer the PSP, but the dual screen idea is enticing.

[Canyarion]

That's a very interesting thought BaB has there! All games start looking like eachother. We've all played polished versions of MGS. Do we need a portable version of it?
The DS on the other hand will continue to bring innovative, new games.

All in all, I think Nintendo will do just fine. :)

[Perfect Stu]

of course the PSP will have no original content...simply ports from existing consoles

[Jonbo298]

of course the PSP will have no original content...simply ports from existing consoles

:rofl:

















*realizes that smiley didn't accomplish much and leaves*

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

:rofl:
ya that pretty much explains my feelings toward taht coment

[Canyarion]

My point is that the PSP doesn't offer much extra over the PS2, besides being portable.
Nintendo has made a whole new machine.

I'm not saying the MGS game is a port. I'm not saying PSP will only get ports (I know it won't). I'm just saying that so far, I've only seen portable sequels to / versions of PS2 games (it could just be me...).
Nintendo has shown a lot of totally new content for the DS. ...

[DeathsHand]

My point is that the PSP doesn't offer much extra over the PS2, besides being portable.
Nintendo has made a whole new machine.

Well past gameboy's didn't offer anything over the current consoles of the time, besides being portable (and outdated)...

And I think PSP offers some stuff... like ummm......... errr.... well........ I'll get back to you on that one...

[tarakan69]

Well PSP will have the possibility to handle games like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Kingdom Hearts...

The DS won't... It has nothing but a changed control scheme.

We are still getting the same Mario 64, Mario Kart, and Metroid Prime.

People call the DS innovative... but I haven't seen anything innovative... Gameplay remains the same.

Metal Gear Ac!d a game that actually tries to do something different gets bashed... yet Mario64x4 doesn't...

I believe a superiour media storage is much more important than a touchscreen.

Music and song with words VS Midi synthisizer...

Even a game like Final Fantasy 7 wouldn't be able to fit on the DS...

Even though the DS does offer new features, it also limits developers in many more ways.

[MuGen]

even tho I'm tired of these threads, I have to make my opinion coherent.

Opinion Starts now:
There should be no talk about Nintendo delivering innovation first of all.... Their only innovation was the NES system, because it was the first. After that they kept on doing the same thing over and over again, and I guess the Nintendo fanboys bought into the market. Let's look at the trend:

NES: Mario, Zelda, Metroid
SNES: Mario, Zelda, Killer Instinct (One innovation), Metroid
N64: Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers, Mario Kart, Metroid
GC: Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers Melee, Mario Kart, Metroid
DS: Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers (possibly), Mario Kart again, Metroid.

We're seeing same old games, newer version, spruced up gfx. That's the case for many consoles out there.....however.... PSP bridges that gap when they decided to offer movies, mp3's.

So ... every console out there has there "HOT SHOT GAMES" and will stick with them, with newer versions, and spiced up gfx.... the only thing that makes the PSP stand out is it's versatility."
End Opinion

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

which games are going to be more expensive?

[BreakABone]

even tho I'm tired of these threads, I have to make my opinion coherent.

Opinion Starts now:
There should be no talk about Nintendo delivering innovation first of all.... Their only innovation was the NES system, because it was the first. After that they kept on doing the same thing over and over again, and I guess the Nintendo fanboys bought into the market. Let's look at the trend:

NES: Mario, Zelda, Metroid
SNES: Mario, Zelda, Killer Instinct (One innovation), Metroid
N64: Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers, Mario Kart, Metroid
GC: Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers Melee, Mario Kart, Metroid
DS: Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers (possibly), Mario Kart again, Metroid.

We're seeing same old games, newer version, spruced up gfx. That's the case for many consoles out there.....however.... PSP bridges that gap when they decided to offer movies, mp3's.

So ... every console out there has there "HOT SHOT GAMES" and will stick with them, with newer versions, and spiced up gfx.... the only thing that makes the PSP stand out is it's versatility."
End Opinion

I think you are getting innovative confused, though I admit they aren't as creative as everyone says. It refers more to their hardware and gameplay advances.

Super Nintendo was the first console (to my knowledge atleast) which features Shoulder buttons, which are now staples of any major console.

Nintendo 64 introduced the rumble Pak, Sony improved it with the Dual Shock, again rumble is almost in very major controller or an accessory for it (only one I can think of is the WaveBird, but it would drain batteries).

Mario 64 well not the first real 3D game, was the first one done right, and with tons of recognition. After that, it became also mandotary to do 3d.

Zelda 64 featured Z-Lock which really helped with combat in 3D games.


Well PSP will have the possibility to handle games like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Kingdom Hearts...
GameBoy....
GameBoy has several versions of Final Fantasy
GameBoy has Metal Gear Sold
GameBoy is getting a Kingdom Heart.

You may mean it could handle it more faithfully then GBA in the sense it would be similar to it's console counterpart. But then it falls into the category of why bother?

The DS won't... It has nothing but a changed control scheme.
And controls can't make all the difference? 2 buttons could make a world of difference....


We are still getting the same Mario 64, Mario Kart, and Metroid Prime.
No one is denying that Nintendo is throwing everything new out there.

People call the DS innovative... but I haven't seen anything innovative... Gameplay remains the same.
Of course you would know this since you played it. I haven't played it either, but the dual screen does make for some differences. I think the more popular example is the submarine demo in which one screen showed the image and the other was the dial which was touch screen.

Also the Pac-Atack demo.

Metal Gear Ac!d a game that actually tries to do something different gets bashed... yet Mario64x4 doesn't...
I'm trying to see how a card game is doing something different.
It may be different for the franchise, but different doesn't always equate wise.
As for Mario 64X4, while it's true I don't see it being bashed, I also don't see it being praised so it's not really doing much.

I believe a superiour media storage is much more important than a touchscreen.
It is and it isn't.
First off define "superior" for a handheld, I personally believe a cart is more durable, and thus far superior in portability.
If you mean space wise, it would help for longer games, and other stuff. But that's not the point of handhelds. You want a pick up and play game. The type of game that keeps you enterained for 10 minutes on the buse to school or 3 hours on the car ride when you visit your Aunt Ester.

Music and song with words VS Midi synthisizer...
Well this is all personal taste, but eh.
Honestly, I won't be blasting any handhelds while I'm using it. Most people I know don't either. They either have the sound extremely low or wearing headphones. The effort may be lost for the most part.

Even a game like Final Fantasy 7 wouldn't be able to fit on the DS...
Now, I don't know if you mean it won't be able to fit because you can't it wouldn't fit on a cart or becuase of the music and movies.
And it comes to my biggest concern, I don't want friggin cutscenes in my games on handhelds. I get fed up as it is with long text dialogue. The point of a handheld is to waste time, not for it to waste your time. I don't wanna sit there for 5 minutes watching some movie trying to explain some plot point that probably won't pay off anyhow. That and from what I've heard, it drains battery faster.

Even though the DS does offer new features, it also limits developers in many more ways.
I don't see how it limits developers other than cosmetically.

I mean sure it doesn't have analog support, but they've made due for the last 15 years or so, and I don't see them complainin now do I?

[Jonbo298]

PSP's control scheme is nothing new either. Just removed 2 shoulder buttons and a joystick ;);)

For everything else. I don't feel like taking time to reply...I think BaB did it for me:p

[Canyarion]

They could still add an analog control thingy.... I saw movies of M64x4 but they guy thta played it, couldn't even jump on a goomba... perhaps because of the digital controlls?

http://www.cube-europe.com/movies/wariowareDS_.wmv
That's something I mean. Something we've never played. Not just a combination of game elements...

[Dark Samurai]

Didn't they show pictures of PSP having the Analog Stick? and the shoulders buttons arte present, I've seen them on a pic somwhere

[Jonbo298]

Just to clarify. I never said they removed all 4 shoulder buttons. Only said they removed 2 and also, I said there is an analog stick. I said only 1 because reg. PS(2) controls have 2 sticks.

And also, the DS shown isn't a final look. After Nintendo saw the PSP, they are probably redoing the shell of the DS to be more sleek then the blah grey we saw. And also, there is room to add an analog stick in so I'm hoping they do.