Boycott Disney

[Jonbo298]

Film giant Disney is facing a massive boycott from liberals - following its refusal to distribute Michael Moore's controversial documentary, Fahrenheit 9/11.

Furious film-goers are threatening to avoid buying anything from the Disney stable - including books, toys and movies - in protest to their decision to ban subsidiary Miramax from releasing the Palme D'Or-winning film.

Fahrenheit 9/11 looks at the relationship between President George W. Bush's clan and the Bin Laden family and criticizes Bush's foreign policy and his war in Iraq.

A petition, which can be found at Democrats.com, reads, "You are censoring one of the most important filmmakers in America.

"This is unacceptable in a democracy. As consumers, we are not powerless. We will protest with our wallets - by boycotting Disney products until you agree to distribute Fahrenheit 9/11."

But Disney spokeswoman Zenia Mucha retorts to The Scoop, "It's a free country. We have a right to decline distribution. They have a right to do whatever they think is in their interest."

According to insiders, Disney opted not to distribute the film for fear of losing tax breaks afforded to their Florida theme parks by the state's governor, Jeb Bush, brother to the President.

http://www.wbex.com/script/headline_newsmanager.php?id=297161&pagecontent=entertainment&feed_id=44

Link BELOW to sign petition to get Disney to get their heads out of their ass and allow distribution of Fahrenheit 9/11
http://democrats.com/elandslide/petition.cfm?campaign=disney&refer=comedy

I'll be following along and boycotting disney prodcuts, etc...until Fahrenheit 9/11 is released because I really want to see the movie since it took home first place at the Cannes Film Festival

[The Germanator]

I'd like to see the movie, but getting first place at the Cannes, a French film festival, means nothing. Of course the French will love an anti-Bush movie, that much is obvious. It's very silly for the movie to be blocked by Disney, but there is no doubt in my mind that it will be distributed eventually.

It will be another interesting Michael Moore film which I will enjoy for its ideas, but I've also heard so much about Moore lying lately that I'm starting to get tired of him. He seems to be pushing his liberal propaganda so much, it's just annoying. Still, I'd rather hear liberal propaganda than conservative propaganda.

[Jonbo298]

The Cannes isnt just some small film festival. And it wasnt just all french people who voted, Quentin Tarantino was a voter and I dont think he's french.

[The Germanator]

I know that the Cannes isn't just some small film festival. I didn't mean to refer to the voting procedure because I know that more than just French judges vote, my mistake. Though, I've heard in other reports that the film received a 20 minute standing ovation from the crowd (who probably was mostly French). I'd find it difficult to not select the film that gets that kind of ovation... I'm not debating whether it's good or not either, because I'm sure it is in the way that Moore's films have always been interesting.

[Professor S]

The thing you have to remember about Moore is that he never outright LIES, but rather creatively edits his work and presents it in such a way that it is very misleading and borderline slander. His lawyers are very good at what they do.

His hipocracy (sp?) is also quite evident in his daily life, as he presents himself as the blue collar guy from Michigan, while living in the upper west side of Manhattan in an apartment he owns worth over $1 million.

The worst part about all of his misleading information and creative editing is that it actually takes credence away from his work. In Bowling for Columbine he could have made a very damning film about America's facination with firearms, and especially handguns, WITHOUT DOCTORING THE FILM. There are plenty of real issues and facts that can make the point that handguns increase the murder rate of any city or state or what have you.

Instead he chose to stage scenes, edit Charlton Heston's speeches together to get his desired effect, and also outright lie, or I should say strong insinuate a lie, about the missile factory in Columbine. The truth is just not damning anough for Michael Moore and the more the serves his agenda instead of the actual TRUTH the more it hurts his credibility in the eyes of those who don't think exactly the way that he does. So in essence, all Michael Moore acheives is a form of intellectual masturbation.

If you want to learn more about Michael Moore, visit this site, but be careful. While it does make MANY excellent points in debunking Moore's work, it can also degrade into right wing moralistic nonsense at time, so take the opinionated portions with a grain of salt.

http://bowlingfortruth.com

[Dylflon]

His hipocracy (sp?) is also quite evident in his daily life, as he presents himself as the blue collar guy from Michigan, while living in the upper west side of Manhattan in an apartment he owns worth over $1 million.

So he's not allowed to relate with blue collar people because he's rich?

That's not fair at all.

Can't he be a blue collar kind of guy (like he used to be) even if he has money?

[Typhoid]

How is what he says almost untruths? Have you seen Bowling for Coumbine? Im pretty sure he doesnt twist his words. Since you apparently wont respond to me :p i feel slightly safe in saying that possibly you just cant handle the fact that people have things against the US...every US opposing view that is posted you almost respond to all of thm sayin they are un-truths and wrong.

Yet Micheal Moore, an American, finds follies with his own country, and you cant stand it.

And i dont think Cannes was filled with mostly French audience members, im pretty sure its a big-gala worldwide event...or at least European..

[Jonbo298]

I dont look at Moore as a person who twists lies. He's one of the few people who actually speaks his mind and doesnt give a damn about what people say about him. Thats why I like him. Dont hide behind the cloud called the government.

[Typhoid]

I dont look at Moore as a person who twists lies. He's one of the few people who actually speaks his mind and doesnt give a damn about what people say about him. Thats why I like him. Dont hide behind the cloud called the government.



+rep, exactly why i like him....he's one of the few people who say what they are actually thinking, yet not care whta others think

[Professor S]

Um, did anyone actually check out the website I posted and read about the many mistruths in Moore's work? I would advise doing so before blindly supporting whatever he does. Just click around the site and then tell me what you think.

And Dyflon, I think its Ok to relate to blue collar workers, but he presents himself AS ONE when he is anything but.

EDIT: Here are a couple more sites that debunk Moore's work

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233

The latter is from the Wall Street Journal, in case you were wondering about credibility

[Professor S]

In fact I like the Wall Street Journal article So much, I'm going to quote the whole thing:

Unmoored From Reality
An ideological con artist is the favorite for an Oscar.

Friday, March 21, 2003 12:01 a.m.

With Hollywood in a fever pitch against the war in Iraq, Michael Moore is likely to win the Oscar for Best Documentary at Sunday's Academy Awards. "Bowling for Columbine," Mr. Moore's work of anti-American propaganda, has grossed over $15 million, an amazing sum for a film billed as a documentary. But the film, a merry dissection of America's "culture of fear" and love of guns, is filled with so many inaccuracies and distortions that it ought to be classed as a work of fiction.
Mr. Moore is naturally a big hit among the French. The jury at the Cannes Film Festival created a special, one-time only award to honor his film and then gave it a 13-minute standing ovation. "Not since Gore Vidal and Norman Mailer have we seen such a successful export of anti-Americanism," observes Andrew Sullivan in London's Sunday Times.

Mr. Moore plays into all of the worst stereotypes and distortions about America. "Bowling for Columbine" attempts to explain interventions by the U.S. military as rooted in an inherently violent domestic culture. "I agree with the National Rifle Association when they say, 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people,' " he told NBC's "Today" show. "Except I would alter that to say, 'Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people.' We're the only country that does this, and we do it on an personal level in our neighborhoods and within our families and our schools, and we do it on a global level. The American attitude is that we believe we have a right to just go in and bomb another country. This is where Bush is going right now, right?"
To make this strained connection, Mr. Moore tries to make us believe that the two mentally disturbed high school students who massacred their fellow students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., grew up in a community that has a sinister connection to the military-industrial complex. A Lockheed Martin factory in Littleton manufactures "weapons of mass destruction," Mr. Moore claims. The factory actually makes rockets that carry TV satellites into space. And the very title of Mr. Moore's film is based on a deception. It refers to the bowling class that the Columbine killers supposedly took the morning they committed their murders. The only problem is that they actually cut the class.

Forbes reports that an early scene in "Bowling" in which Mr. Moore tries to demonstrate how easy it is to obtain guns in America was staged. He goes to a small bank in Traverse City, Mich., that offers various inducements to open an account and claims "I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, I walked out with my new Weatherby," a rifle.

But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore's film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks."

Mr. Moore makes the preposterous claim that a Michigan program by which welfare recipients were required to work was responsible for an incident in which a six-year-old Flint boy shot a girl to death at school. Mr. Moore doesn't mention that the boy's mother had sent him to live in a crack house where her brother and a friend kept both drugs and guns--a frequently lethal combination.

Some of the fact-bending and omissions of "Bowling for Columbine" could charitably be chalked up to really sloppy research. (I called the chief archivist for Mr. Moore's film, Carl Deal, yesterday, but he hasn't called back.) Others show a willful aversion to the truth. Mr. Moore repeats the canard that the United States gave the Taliban $245 million in aid in 2000 and 2001, somehow implying we were in cahoots with them. But that money actually went to U.N.-affiliated humanitarian organizations that were completely independent of the Taliban.

David Hardy, a former Interior Department lawyer who delights in debunking government officials and pompous celebrities, has uncovered even more evidence of Mr. Moore's distortions. The film depicts NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness. Another speech is described as being given immediately after the Flint shooting . In reality, it was made almost a year later. All of these and more inaccuracies can be found at Mr. Hardy's comprehensive Web site.

Ben Fritz ofSpinsanity.org also notes that Mr. Moore has "apparently altered footage of an ad run by the Bush/Quayle campaign in 1988" to buttress his claim that racial symbolism is frequently misused in American politics. His leading example is the case of Willie Horton, a murderer who became a major issue in the 1988 presidential campaign. Mr. Moore shows the Bush ad that generically attacked a prison furlough program in Michael Dukakis's Massachusetts . Superimposed over the footage of prisoners entering and exiting a prison are the words "Willie Horton released. Then kills again." While the caption appears to be part of the original ad, Mr. Moore actually inserted it; the ad made no mention of Horton. (Another ad, sponsored by the National Security Political Action Committee, a conservative group independent of the Bush campaign, did mention Horton; it aired only briefly in a few cable markets.) The phony Moore caption also is inaccurate; Horton brutalized a Maryland couple and raped the wife, but didn't kill anybody while on furlough.

In print, too, Mr. Moore plays fast and loose with the facts. In his "Stupid White Men," his best-selling book, he blithely states that five-sixths of the U.S. defense budget in 2001 went toward the construction of a single type of plane and that two-thirds of the $190 million that President Bush raised in his 2000 campaign came from just over 700 individuals, a preposterous assertion given that the limit for individual contributions at the time was $1,000.
When CNN's Lou Dobbs asked Mr. Moore about his inaccuracies, he shrugged off the quesiton. "You know, look, this is a book of political humor. So, I mean, I don't respond to that sort of stuff, you know," he said.

"Glaring inaccuracies?" Mr. Dobbs said.

"No, I don't. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?"

Mr. Moore would deserve an Academy Award if there were an Oscar for Best Cinematic Con Job. If "Bowling for Columbine" is a comedy, most of its fans don't know it. They actually believe they're watching something that is in rough accord with reality.

[Jonbo298]

Michael Moore is not Anti-American. Just because he disproves the government does not make him Anti-American. If he said he hated the entire US and whatnot then he would be anti-american. All he's doing is showing his distaste for our government.

And yes, I checked out that site. Its just one of the sites that likes to disprove every thing. Well, I dont care. There are probably tons of sites like those that hate Michael Moore because they are too afraid to go public and speak their mind afraid the government will hunt them down.

Keep up your 3 or more paragraph responses Strangler as I'll just skim them over

[Professor S]

*sigh*

[The Germanator]

*sigh*

I'm with you on this one...

*sigh*

[Crash]

heh, i'm going to disney world this sunday. you guys can't stop me..... and michael moore is a pain in the ass.

[Dylflon]

Don't americans have the right to protest against their government?

This is a right that seems to have been forgotten lately as many people in the public eye have gotten in trouble for speaking out against Bush.

Back when Clinton was president you'd get a pat on the back for making fun of him.

Why is it that people who speak out against the government now are met with ridicule and called anti-american?

It's only fair to say what's wrong with society and government in hopes that it may get better.

[manasecret]

I'm with you on this one...

*sigh*

I don't even care about this debate, but, Jesus, me three..

*sigh*

[Hero2]

you boycott too much >.>.when was the last time you got anything from disney jon. :p

[Typhoid]

I must say that i think the term "Anti-American" is thrown out like beads on Mardi Gras. The term is used to loosly, i for one, like Micheal Moore, because he isnt afraid to say what he thinks is the truth, and he goes into it as to why. And i agree that he would be anti-american if he said "Kill the president" "Blow up America" "Praise 9/11" or just ran around the street screaming shooting bulletrs into the sky. No Micheal Moore isnt anti-american, hes just a very opinionated person. As is Howard Stern, is he anti-american?

(I dont want to start a big argument or cafuffle over this)

[Stonecutter]

The only thing you have to realize about Bowling and Moore's other two films is this.


Conservatives/Republicans are made out to look really, really bad in his films.

Do you think Conservatives/Republicans enjoy being portrayed in such a manner?

Of course they don't.

Do you think that Conservatives/Republicans would do whatever they could to stop these films from being shown?

Of course they would (did.)

These films (Bowling/Roger and Me) never would have made the theater if anyone could provide evidence that Moore were lying.

The guy is completely clean, or these films never get shown.

[mickydaniels]

The only thing you have to realize about Bowling and Moore's other two films is this.


Conservatives/Republicans are made out to look really, really bad in his films.

Do you think Conservatives/Republicans enjoy being portrayed in such a manner?

Of course they don't.

Do you think that Conservatives/Republicans would do whatever they could to stop these films from being shown?

Of course they would (did.)

These films (Bowling/Roger and Me) never would have made the theater if anyone could provide evidence that Moore were lying.

The guy is completely clean, or these films never get shown.

You don't need to outright lie, just stretch the truth. It's what whole businesses are based on (i.e. the entire justice system).

[Professor S]

The only thing you have to realize about Bowling and Moore's other two films is this.


Conservatives/Republicans are made out to look really, really bad in his films.

Do you think Conservatives/Republicans enjoy being portrayed in such a manner?

Of course they don't.

Do you think that Conservatives/Republicans would do whatever they could to stop these films from being shown?

Of course they would (did.)

These films (Bowling/Roger and Me) never would have made the theater if anyone could provide evidence that Moore were lying.

The guy is completely clean, or these films never get shown.

You know, I can only post the information and links that point out that he does basically lie and at best severely twists the truth to meet his own political agenda. I can't make you read it or care.

Step outside of your political views for one second and realize that Michael Moore isn't helping your cause. When he shapes liberal opinions through lies and deceit he makes those very opinions invalid. Just think about this:

"If Michael Moore's work has changed the way that you view America and the government, and his work is essentially staged and carefully edited propoganda that constantly twists reality to meet a political agenda that has little to do with representing the truth, how valid could these views be?"

Michael Moore lies, I posted proof from 3 different sites (two of which are HIGHLY reputable and the first is suspect, I'll admit, but still makes interesting points), and the vocal leftists don't care and stand steadfast in their support of Moore.

This blows my mind. Information is posted about Halliburton that sheds light on possible theivery by their organization, and seeing this I do some research which supports it and join in because while I may be conservative, I can also think logically and make my own choices outside of political affiliation. And yet I'M the one that gets accused of blindly supporting Republicans and closing my mind, while you can't step outside your party affiliation for a moment to acknowledge cited facts I have put right in front of you.

And people get angry when I start throwing out terms like "intellectual dullards"... I should have just listened to Bond and stopped posting on political topics all together, because if this doesn't prove that many liberals on this board just don't care about the truth when it comes to politics, nothing will.

The Strangler has left the building.

[Dylflon]

You're no better than any of us!

You claim your views to be true. That doesn't make them true. We claim our views to be true and that doesn't mean our views are always true either.

You're acting the same way as everyone else except you're whining about everyone else having different opinions.

You're being a dumbass.





















...and pompous.

[Jonbo298]

Michael Moore is not liberal. If you've watched some of his movies (especially Bowling for Columbine), when Moore was a Speaker at a college, he didnt tell people to join the Democratic party, I believe (and this is just what I remember because its been over a year since I've seen the movie) said to join the Independent Party because the current government parties suck at what they are doing and need reform.

[Typhoid]

Yeah, strangler how are your opinions different from ours? We are all claiming the other side is wrong...so what makes either of us right? Nothing. The only way to get proof is to ask Micheal Moore.

And as we all know Websites tell nothing but the truth, like that one that said Andy Kauffman was still alive, or the one about the moon landing being fake, or the one about how the earth will end in the year 2000, or 'proof' that the dinosaurs never existed. I mean, these are all probably very reputable opinions, but only in these peoples eyes. It still doesnt make it right.

And Strangler no hard feelings, because i slightly like the fact that you act this way, because i like competition, but you are kind of being an arrogant pompous ass. Yes so are some of us, but you as well.