Time Mag's Top 10 Games of '03 - Agree or Disagree?

[Jonbo298]

1. Karaoke Revolution (PS2)
2. Soul Calibur II (GC, Xbox, PS2)
3. Republic: The Revolution (PC)
4. Tiger Woods 2004 (GC, Xbox, PS2)
5. Space Colony (PC)
6. Temple of Elemental Evil (PC)
7. Simpsons Hit & Run (GC, Xbox, PS2)
8. MYST: URU (PC)
9. Tron: 2.0 (PC)
10. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GC)

http://general.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/4734/

I will admit Simpsons H&R is the best simpsons game out there, but better then Wind Waker?:wtf:

But eh, this isnt really a gaming mag, they probably got feedback from regular gamers or something. (Too lazy to find out how they came to this conclusion)

[Canyarion]

Pff Soul Calibur on no. 2? :rolleyes: That game was such a disapointment. :mad:
Me and my brother did 2-player once, it was aweful. Stupid button mashing. :Puke:

I see a lot of PC games in there.... :wtf:

[Null]

Pff Soul Calibur on no. 2? :rolleyes: That game was such a disapointment. :mad:
Me and my brother did 2-player once, it was aweful. Stupid button mashing. :Puke:

well, try learning the moves instead of button mashing :p



I see a lot of PC games in there.... :wtf:

as well there should be.

infact they should all be PC cept for a few ocasional good console games. ;)

[Perfect Stu]

lol, what a joke...

[Null]

what? time mag is the top experts in gaming. Didn't you know such? :unsure:

[bobcat]

No Warcraft TFT?

And Simpsons better than Zelda:WW?

Of course, I couldn't agree more.........

:unsure:

[Happydude]

except for Tron 2.0, i've never heard of any of the other PC games...:unsure:

[DarkMaster]

Time knows where it's at. Those rankings are spot on.

[Null]

except for Tron 2.0, i've never heard of any of the other PC games...:unsure: Well im sure ya heard of myst :p


but the others are new and arent all that spectacular. which is why you havnt heard of em.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Well im sure ya heard of myst :p


but the others are new and arent all that spectacular. which is why you havnt heard of em.


I disagree. That list is a joke.

[Null]

I disagree. That list is a joke.


:hmm: disagree with what?

are your saying they ARE spectacular. or that they arent new. or that you HAVE heard of them.???


you a confusing lad, aintcha?

[GameMaster]

I disagree with the list.

[Stonecutter]

1. Karaoke Revolution (PS2)
2. Soul Calibur II (GC, Xbox, PS2)
3. Republic: The Revolution (PC)
4. Tiger Woods 2004 (GC, Xbox, PS2)
5. Space Colony (PC)
6. Temple of Elemental Evil (PC)
7. Simpsons Hit & Run (GC, Xbox, PS2)
8. MYST: URU (PC)
9. Tron: 2.0 (PC)
10. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GC)

http://general.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/4734/

I will admit Simpsons H&R is the best simpsons game out there, but better then Wind Waker?:wtf:

But eh, this isnt really a gaming mag, they probably got feedback from regular gamers or something. (Too lazy to find out how they came to this conclusion)
This is a very, VERY typical list for a non-gaming mag/website/etc.

[Canyarion]

Null, the funny thing with button-mashers is: IT'S NO USE DOING THE COMBOS CAUSE ANY NOOB CAN BEAT YOU WITH MASHING. :)
Against computer, it's pretty good to use combos.... :unsure:

Karaoke Revolution? :wtf: Something like The Matrix Revolutions without voices?

[Null]

Null, the funny thing with button-mashers is: IT'S NO USE DOING THE COMBOS CAUSE ANY NOOB CAN BEAT YOU WITH MASHING. :)
Against computer, it's pretty good to use combos.... :unsure:




only if you suck at it my friend. a strat always > button mashing.

no button masher has EVER beaten me at that game.

[Morpheus1]

only if you suck at it my friend. a strat always > button mashing.

no button masher has EVER beaten me at that game.

What do you mean when you say button masher? I use the term 'button masher' to describe a game, not the person who plays the game. In some games learning combos don't even effect how skilled you are at the game. There is no point in learning a combo when all you have to do is block, duck, and punch to win, or when it is too easy to land a hit in the first place. IMHO, Soul Calibur requires no skill. You could take the average guy who is good at any fighting games and he will naturally be good at SC. Games that require true skill are MK:DA and VF4.

[bobcat]

Null, the funny thing with button-mashers is: IT'S NO USE DOING THE COMBOS CAUSE ANY NOOB CAN BEAT YOU WITH MASHING. :)
Against computer, it's pretty good to use combos.... :unsure:

Karaoke Revolution? :wtf: Something like The Matrix Revolutions without voices?
I kinda agree. Button mashers can "fluke" a win or so against an expert, but 95% of the time, an expert would surely win.

It's not combos that's important, tactics is the most important thing. But the thing is tactics sometimes don't work against button mashers coz they just do anything and don't hold back.

The game is great if you know how to play it.

[Null]

What do you mean when you say button masher? I use the term 'button masher' to describe a game, not the person who plays the game. In some games learning combos don't even effect how skilled you are at the game. There is no point in learning a combo when all you have to do is block, duck, and punch to win, or when it is too easy to land a hit in the first place. IMHO, Soul Calibur requires no skill. You could take the average guy who is good at any fighting games and he will naturally be good at SC. Games that require true skill are MK:DA and VF4.


ok. MK, is the apidimy of a crappy fighter. VF4 i found decent but not as good as SC in anyway close.

im not tryin to convince you to like it. But take all your button masking techniques up against me and i garentee you i will squash you in that game and you prolly wont even land a hit.

Block? i can break the block, duck? i'll hit you low, jump? i'll hit you high. punch? i'll deflect it.

depending on who you play with yes, the game can be a complete button masher. Take the time to learn the game, and it hops up on a whole nother level.

[bobcat]

IMHO, Soul Calibur requires no skill. You could take the average guy who is good at any fighting games and he will naturally be good at SC. Games that require true skill are MK:DA and VF4.

Trust me it does require skill. Not to the extent of VF4 though.

And the average guy won't naturally be good @ SC. We have had challenges with the original and we all knew how to play except 3 of my mates. We kicked their ass.

[TheGame]

*cough*

Any fighting game is a button masher against weak human opponents... and all fighting games can turn into a true battle of skill when playing against experts. I doubt many people here have the "skill" to beat me at Tekken.. and you can call that game a button masher all ya'llz want to.

My definition of a masher is a game where even the most expert fighters can't use a strategy and rely on "luck of the draw" to win. With that said, MK: DA isn't a button masher, SC isn't either, and VF isn't... but out of this list SC2 does have the easiest learning curve imo.

Oh, and by the way... the list in the topic stinks

[Perfect Stu]

the one fighter I've played that was really harsh on button-mashers is VF4. I found it frustrating at first, but then I learned the move set of one character and I found out just how deep and fabulous the game is.

VF4 = best fighter I've ever played.

Oh, and as for Karaoke Revolution...I can't wait until we hold our next party...we're gonna rent it...drinks, karaoke, girls...PARTAY. Not GOTY material I would think, though :p

[CrOnO_LiNk]

:hmm: disagree with what?

are your saying they ARE spectacular. or that they arent new. or that you HAVE heard of them.???


you a confusing lad, aintcha?

I am a confusing "lad"?

Oh s**t, I accidently quoted you. Usually when I post, I click on a member's reply button. It quotes them, but I erase the quote part and reply, but this time, I forgot. So yeah, I was referring to the list, my bad.

[Canyarion]

You quoted him again... :unsure:

;)
Hm perhaps I should get into SC2 a bit more. But I have too many games to play!! :(
I'm almost through Eternal Darkness, but I KNOW I'll play that again twice. :)
Still got TWW to beat. And F-Zero. And a bit of THPS4. And soon 1080 and MKDD.

[bobcat]

I used to use Kilik (my expert char). Lot of fakes and good range, a bit worrying up close (but he has some quick pokes to make up for that).

Now I am using Maxi and Nightmare. Nightmare is by far my fave char. So good, interesting stances, much much variety.

[TheSlyMoogle]

*cough*

Any fighting game is a button masher against weak human opponents... and all fighting games can turn into a true battle of skill when playing against experts. I doubt many people here have the "skill" to beat me at Tekken.. and you can call that game a button masher all ya'llz want to.

My definition of a masher is a game where even the most expert fighters can't use a strategy and rely on "luck of the draw" to win. With that said, MK: DA isn't a button masher, SC isn't either, and VF isn't... but out of this list SC2 does have the easiest learning curve imo.

Oh, and by the way... the list in the topic stinks

I gurantee I could beat you at Tekken. I've been playing it since Tekken 2. Whoa. I'm all about that game. I would bust you in the head with my Tekken skills.

[BigJustinW]

lol, I've been playing sense Tekken 2 too... now, if you are talking about playing at the arcade you may beat the hell outta me, but I was born and raised on the PS controler with that game....

Who is your favorite fighter? I'm good with Eddie (even though I hate fighting against him). Paul, Jin (both new and old style) and I have masterd Hehachi... you could only imagine how glad I was that he was on SC2 :)

[bobcat]

lol, I've been playing sense Tekken 2 too... now, if you are talking about playing at the arcade you may beat the hell outta me, but I was born and raised on the PS controler with that game....

Who is your favorite fighter? I'm good with Eddie (even though I hate fighting against him). Paul, Jin (both new and old style) and I have masterd Hehachi... you could only imagine how glad I was that he was on SC2 :)

Pfft I've been playing since the original Tekken. Used to use Law. Now I don't play so much so u "may" kick my ass, depending on how good u guys r.

U play T4?

Btw I started playing fighting games before Street Fighter 1 (on C64). Games like International Karate + and Yiar Ye Kung Fu (loved that game).

[Ace195]

Do you all remember the game pro thing.. well I finally got mine.. I can't remember now weither it's a month or what ? who knows :(

[GameMaster]

I think Smash Bros. is a good example of a "skill only" game. You can't button mash your way through that. If you do, you'll receive a harsh whooping.

[BigJustinW]

Pfft I've been playing since the original Tekken. Used to use Law. Now I don't play so much so u "may" kick my ass, depending on how good u guys r.

U play T4?

Btw I started playing fighting games before Street Fighter 1 (on C64). Games like International Karate + and Yiar Ye Kung Fu (loved that game).

I played Tekken 1 too, just not enough to be here bragging about it... I also noticed that my Tekken skills were irrelevent come Tekken 3, whole new pace.

but anyways... like I said, it all depends on who you play. Any fighter can be a button masher vs other weak fighters. I hope Tekken 5 is online so I can prove myself ;)

[bobcat]

I played Tekken 1 too, just not enough to be here bragging about it... I also noticed that my Tekken skills were irrelevent come Tekken 3, whole new pace.

but anyways... like I said, it all depends on who you play. Any fighter can be a button masher vs other weak fighters. I hope Tekken 5 is online so I can prove myself ;)

Point is button masher vs expert = expert win

[fingersman]

I think Smash Bros. is a good example of a "skill only" game. You can't button mash your way through that. If you do, you'll receive a harsh whooping.

Your joking right? SMB was/is a button masher if i ever saw one.

Neways about the list I disagree (duh) and as for SC2 being a button masher I disagree as well, although I do admit VF4 having a deeper fighting system. Today one of my friends was button mashing and me and my other friend totally destroyed him.
I think the air juggles are nice and take a certain level of skill to accomplish, I think Namco did a good job on the sequel.

[GameKinG]

You can button mash SSB, but if thats your tactic in fighting me, there is no way you will win.

[GameMaster]

You can button mash SSB, but if thats your tactic in fighting me, there is no way you will win.

Ditto.

SSB is the least likely button masher of them all. If you sit there and keep hitting A or B, everyone else will just move their character back and watch you make a fool out of yourself.

Whereas with Soul Calibur 2, I can close my eyes and violently molest the controller and end up winning a match.

[PureEvil]

...I can close my eyes and violently molest the controller and end up winning a match.

LOL. You need counselling or something...

[bobcat]

Ditto.

SSB is the least likely button masher of them all. If you sit there and keep hitting A or B, everyone else will just move their character back and watch you make a fool out of yourself.

Whereas with Soul Calibur 2, I can close my eyes and violently molest the controller and end up winning a match.

Hmm well I agree SSB has skill to it for a simplistic fighting game, and there is many tactics there, but I don't think many of you have seen a proper SC2 challenge (for those who claim it's a button masher).

Watch 2 experts play and u will c. Also watch the experts kick the button mashers ass

[GameMaster]

Hmm well I agree SSB has skill to it for a simplistic fighting game, and there is many tactics there, but I don't think many of you have seen a proper SC2 challenge (for those who claim it's a button masher).

Watch 2 experts play and u will c. Also watch the experts kick the button mashers ass

I agree with you bobcat, I don't think SC2 is soley a button masher game I'm just saying that using a button mashing method in SC2 works. Not against people who know how to play the game but you can defeat some of the AI using button mashing. But if you put a button masher against someone who knows how to play the game, the expert will win, no doubt. But in SSB, button mashing won't do anything, unless you're pitted against a level 2 or 1 computer.