Greatest Conqueror Ever [Archive]

Vampyr

11-16-2003, 03:09 PM

Im just wondering who you guys think is the greatest conqueror to ever in the history of the world.

Im going to have to say Genghis Kahn, leader of the Mongols. This guy was just plain ruthless, and conquered virtually all of the known world. (Being Eastern Asia...). I firmly believe that the Mongolian Empire was one of the strongest Empires to ever exist. Im not making a poll, so you guys can pick whoever you want, but here are some suggestions:

Hitler
Napoleon (another one of my favorite)
Atilla the Hun
Hornando de Cortes
Juan Ponce de Leon
Alexander the Great
Hannibal of Carthage
Julius Ceaser
Peter the Great

And the list could go on...

So, who do you people think is the greatest of them all, and please back it up with reasons. :)

PureEvil

11-16-2003, 03:26 PM

I tend to lean toward Hitler in this instance.

The way he took broke little Germany and turned it into a power biding for control of the world was nothing short of absolutely amazing.

That's not to say Hitler was cool or anything -- he was obviously a bad person, but huge level of conquest he pulled off starting from something so worthless was awsome.

In a... Strategically-take-over-the-world kinda way.

I'd also like to shout out to my homies Kahn and Caesar. They did some pretty amazing stuff too. Hitler still takes the cake in my eyes, though.

Conquest rules.

(And even today we still see endless thwarts of conquest, it's just been translated into business. Look at Microsoft, for example.)

One Winged Angel

11-16-2003, 04:17 PM

Hannibal... he was a genius.

Professor S

11-16-2003, 05:15 PM

Hitler doesn't cut it just for the fact that he only held his conquered lands for a very short time and completely mismanaged the domestic part of his empire.

My vote is for Alexander the Great. He conquered so much and incorparated those that he conquered into his culture. Just look at all the cities name Alexandria around the world. No one could conquer him and it took an assassin to kill him to end his empire.

One Winged Angel

11-16-2003, 06:06 PM

Alexander got too greedy when creating his empire. He captured almost all of the known world and still wanted more. crazy if you asked me.

Kitana85

11-16-2003, 06:17 PM

Yes, but crazy is often necessary to be productive...

Napolean actually had less land after power than before... hmmm I still have to think about who I think is the greatest... possibly Alexander the Great... but not sure..

Ginkasa

11-16-2003, 10:03 PM

My vote is for Alexander the Great. He conquered so much and incorparated those that he conquered into his culture. Just look at all the cities name Alexandria around the world. No one could conquer him and it took an assassin to kill him to end his empire.

Alexander was killed by malaria, not an assasin....

Anyway...

I'd have to go with Alexander, as well. Just...because....

*shrugs and walks away*

Professor S

11-16-2003, 10:55 PM

I had thought he was poisoned. I'll have to go check it out. Goota love the internet... :D

EDIT: Checked it out, and yes Alexander was sick, but there are also accounts that he may have been poisoned by his physician or an attendant of his. So I guess we're both right since the only people who really know are dead.

Seth

11-17-2003, 12:50 AM

Julius Caesar. Even though Greece was more intellectual and stuff, Rome was so nuts.

Dyne

11-17-2003, 01:09 AM

Hitler started with good intentions.. but power is never a good thing... I like what came out of Hitler. Like, the Autoban, and Volkswagen. Those helped in the long run.

Ginkasa

11-17-2003, 02:01 AM

Hitler started with good intentions.. but power is never a good thing... I like what came out of Hitler. Like, the Autoban, and Volkswagen. Those helped in the long run.

Which good intentions were those? Wanting to kill any and everyone he didn't happen to like?

I have never heard of any good intentions from Hitler. At least not anything that could be considered good from a sane and humane human being. I'm sure he probably made a few empty promises or something to help bring him into power, but I don't he ever intended to make good on those promises.

*shrugs and walks away*

Vampyr

11-17-2003, 07:00 AM

I have never heard of any good intentions from Hitler.

His good intentions was to get Germany back on her feet. After the Treaty of Versailles was signed, Germany was in a TERRIBLE situation. They had hardly no military, and they were like 60 billion dollars in debt.

He promised to make Germany powerful again. And he did.

Crono

11-17-2003, 03:38 PM

Hitler was also stupid when it came to certain subjects. He rarely listened to his miltary advisors (read: Dunkirk and Stalingrad), which costed him big time as the war went on. Although, he did turn a poor Germany into a powerful war machine, which, like people said, was pretty amazing. I don't know much of the Mongol Empire, all I know is that they conquered Russia and much of Asia.

Two weeks or so ago, I watched a great show about Hannibal on the history channel, and he seemed pretty damn amazing to face up to the Roman Empire like that. He won battles even when the Romans had double the amount of troops.

I don't know who to pick though, there have been so many great conquerors...

Bond

11-17-2003, 05:17 PM

His good intentions was to get Germany back on her feet.
Well, yes, by unjustly using the Jews as a scapegoat.

Professor S

11-17-2003, 06:06 PM

Hitler wanted to get Germany back on its feet, by eliminating what he thought was keeping Germnay down... an entire race of people.

Good intentions? Only in his demented mind.

Perfect Stu

11-17-2003, 06:06 PM

from what I've read, Julius Ceaser was tremendous. If he hadn't been killed, who would've known what he could have done.

Vampyr

11-17-2003, 08:08 PM

Hmmm. There are some great conquerors out there you guys arent mentioning.

Cant believe no has said Napoleon. That guy was the second anti-christ, and he was brilliant. We could very well be speaking French right now if his ego hadnt gotten so large and he tried to take Russia.

And the Spaniards arent getting any credit. They were extremely large at one point. They owned all of central america, mexico, and a lot of South America. Very impressive in my opinion. And Hornando de Cortest (Spanish) canquered some of the greatest Indian Empires of all time.

Atilla the Hun was cool too...until he drown on his own blood...from a nose bleed.

Professor S

11-17-2003, 08:20 PM

The Spaniards did have a large empire, but they also picked their fights very carefully. Its very easy to conquer the Americas when you have guns and your enemies basically have sticks.

Lets not forget about America either. The entire country is an Empire that seceded and ther pushed all the way to the Pacific ocean.

Vampyr

11-17-2003, 08:23 PM

The entire country is an Empire that seceded and ther pushed all the way to the Pacific ocean.

Yes sir! Manifest Destiny.

But we are smart enough not to get too greedy and try to take over the world. Over expanding is the downfall of every great nation. They get so large, then collapse back in on themself.

Bond

11-17-2003, 08:30 PM

Yes... soon we will democratize the entire world. After all, we are the first world power that has not horded its resources. (semi debatable)

Rndm_Perfection

11-19-2003, 08:34 PM

Cant believe no has said Napoleon. That guy was the second anti-christ, and he was brilliant.

Second? Who would he be after? If you're going by the Bible Code, he was first and "Hister" was second. Could've just been a typo on your part, I don't know what you meant.

But yes, Napolean was a pretty bright man. A bit peculiar that he pawned off Lousiana to a newbie country like the States though.

Kitana85

11-19-2003, 08:43 PM

Cant believe no has said Napoleon. That guy was the second anti-christ, and he was brilliant. We could very well be speaking French right now if his ego hadnt gotten so large and he tried to take Russia.

If you had read the first page, maybe you wouldn't be making this comment.

Vampyr

11-19-2003, 09:19 PM

Second?

Isn't Ceaser considered the first Anti-Christ? Maybe Im mistaken, but thats what Ive heard before. This is what my World History teacher tells us...but he's been known to make things up on the spot.

If you had read the first page, maybe you wouldn't be making this comment.

I read what you said. But during power he was glorious. After power, he got pushed around by all the other nations who were afraid of him managing to come back. And they all divided up the large nation of France among them.

Bond

11-19-2003, 09:22 PM

Isn't Ceaser considered the first Anti-Christ? Maybe Im mistaken, but thats what Ive heard before. This is what my World History teacher tells us...but he's been known to make things up on the spot.
Anyone (or thing) can be considered to be the Anti-Christ. Some people think rock is the Anti-Christ.

There is no "real" Anti-Christ though...

One Winged Angel

11-19-2003, 09:38 PM

Many consider the internet the-anti christ for this generation.... lol

Vampyr

11-19-2003, 09:42 PM

Like I said, I blame it all on my History teacher. :)

You know who the real anti-christ is? One Winged Angel's avatar. :p

PureEvil

11-19-2003, 09:56 PM

Dyne

11-20-2003, 01:28 AM

From what I heard, the first Antichrist was Napolean, the second was Hitler, and the third and fourth, or the "twins," are Bush and Saddam. Then they had this crazy theory about Saddam, but he's kind of.. dead now. Or something.

It's all bull**** anyways.

PureEvil

11-20-2003, 01:34 AM

It's all bull**** anyways.

I agree. What's up with mixing religion and politics? Bah. Religion sucks.

Vampyr

11-20-2003, 08:34 AM

I agree. What's up with mixing religion and politics? Bah. Religion sucks.

Yes, I am sick of talking about religions. I got more than enough of that on the Religion forum. Sorry I even mentioned the anti-christ thing. I was just wanting to make about point about Napoleon.

So...back to great Conquerors.

Anyone here remember that Egyptian Pharoe that united Northern and Southern Egypt? I think his name was Ramses, but I dont know which number. :distress:
Anyway. He was pretty cool.

Also, can anyone think of some more ancient conquerors, like from Ancient Greece?

Ironfoot

11-30-2003, 04:35 PM

Franklin Delano Roosevelt

He turned the nation from being economically depressed into a powerhouse. He formed the Manhatten Project to develop the Atomic Bomb, proposed by Einstein to FDR. By his death, American troops were already marching toward Berlin and Japan was being ruthlessly bombed and was almost nothing but a heap of rubble (save Hiroshima and Nagasaki). He's not the Greatest conquerer that ever lived, but he is definitely one of the greatest.

Rndm_Perfection

11-30-2003, 04:47 PM

Vampyr

11-30-2003, 04:50 PM

Well, considering he never claimed foreign land under the control of his nation, I'd say that FDR was not a conquerer.

Thats what I was thinking...

Ironfoot

11-30-2003, 09:27 PM

Well, considering he never claimed foreign land under the control of his nation, I'd say that FDR was not a conquerer. Intelligent man though.

I know, I know. He's just a guy I admire. He could've conquered as easily if he really wanted to though.