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Perfect Stu
11-10-2003, 03:39 PM
Most people should be getting their mid-term marks right around now...so I figured maybe some people would like to share/rant about how they're doing, grade-wise.

my marks are 82, 84 and 88...poor attendance and procrastination/lack of effort all around, too :p

GameMaster
11-10-2003, 03:59 PM
My only academic classes this year are Government/Econ and English. My other 4 classes are all electives. I have A's in the electives, C- in Government/Econ and a D+ in English. I don't care, as long as I pass the classes that's all that matters.

Joeiss
11-10-2003, 04:00 PM
80, 80, 74

my 74 is english.. i thought i was gonna get like a 64, but whatever, lol.

Kitana85
11-10-2003, 04:01 PM
Hmmm...defintly not as good as high school... had no midterms this semester... finals are the second week in December, I'm pretty sureI'm losing part of my scholership, but I'm working really hard

GameMaster
11-10-2003, 04:05 PM
Joe and Stu: How come you have 3 scores? And what are they for?

Kitana85
11-10-2003, 04:08 PM
I think its a Canadian thing

TheGame
11-10-2003, 04:09 PM
English (4 units) A
ACDV 50 (3 units) A
ASL 1 (5 units) B
Philosophy (3 units) C (78%)

My GPA is 3.26 (and on the HS scale 3.25)

PureEvil
11-10-2003, 04:35 PM
Joe and Stu: How come you have 3 scores? And what are they for?

They're probably only taking 3 classes.

3 seperate grades = 3 seperate classes.

If they were taking 5 classes, they'd have 5 grades. And so forth...

ZebraRampage
11-10-2003, 04:55 PM
Well I'm in high school, I have block scheduling, so I have 5 classes right now.

Spanish 4 - 95
Chemistry - ..85
Math Analysis(pre calc) - I believe an 88 or an 89
Gym - some A, not sure of the number grade
SAT prep - 95

GameMaster
11-10-2003, 04:55 PM
They're probably only taking 3 classes.

3 seperate grades = 3 seperate classes.

If they were taking 5 classes, they'd have 5 grades. And so forth...

That's unfair :(

For the past three years I've had to take seven classes and this year I'm taking six. And you guys only have to take three! You must be at school for only three hours then. Shucks.

DimHalo
11-10-2003, 05:51 PM
I'm taking five credit hours but only the lower level grades are reported at midterm, i have an idea of my other grades though:
Foundations of Mathematics/Proof Theory - worse than I would like
Intro to Linguistics: 96%
American National Government: 82%
French Literature Topics, Francophone Women Writers: B, don't know percentage
JINS, Music in Religious Thought and Practice: A, don't know percentage

Crono
11-10-2003, 06:05 PM
So far:
Chemistry - 83
Accounting - 84
Computer Science - don't know exact mark, somewhere in the 80s
English - low 70s/high 60s... not sure of the exact mark, but I hate that class.

Next semester I have Biology, Physics, World Religions and Math.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe
11-10-2003, 06:22 PM
That's unfair :(

For the past three years I've had to take seven classes and this year I'm taking six. And you guys only have to take three! You must be at school for only three hours then. Shucks.
wtf? lol, no in grades 9 - 11 in highschool your supposed to have 8 classes, 4 per semester, but in grade 12 u'r only supposed to have 6....and one spare per semester

anyways, i'm getting:

English - 76%
Computers - 98% (java :p)
Function and Relations (Math) - 75% (class average is 51%)
German - 69%

Vampyr
11-10-2003, 06:36 PM
I got my midterms a week or so ago, and for some reason our grade cards dont tell us our exact percentage, just a letter grade.

Health/Pe: A+
English: A
World History: A+
AP Probability and Statistics: A

Joeiss
11-10-2003, 06:39 PM
That's unfair :(

For the past three years I've had to take seven classes and this year I'm taking six. And you guys only have to take three! You must be at school for only three hours then. Shucks.


Stu and I are in grade 12... In grades 9, 10 and 11, I had to take 8 classes per year (4 classes each semester).. But in grade 12, you can only take 6 courses if you want to, and I chose to.

Every other week I am finished school at 1:15... And get home like at 1:30.. yep. It is great.

The Germanator
11-10-2003, 06:47 PM
I have no grades, suckers! For the first time in 15 years I'm not in any sort of school...Come to think of it, even I was in college I wouldn't be getting grades, we just get evaluations at Bennington, so no more grades ever I suppose.

GameMaster
11-10-2003, 07:02 PM
Stu and I are in grade 12... In grades 9, 10 and 11, I had to take 8 classes per year (4 classes each semester).. But in grade 12, you can only take 6 courses if you want to, and I chose to.

Every other week I am finished school at 1:15... And get home like at 1:30.. yep. It is great.

That's different. I'm in grade 12 also but we take as many as 7 classes (max) or as little as 5 classes (min). And we take all the classes all year. We don't take a certain number of them one semester and then do a new batch the second semester. But in grades 9, 10, and 11 we take seven classes.

I'm only doing 6 this year. I get out of school at 2:10! It feels like elementary school again! Yippee skippy! :)

Perfect Stu
11-10-2003, 07:03 PM
3 grades for 3 courses. One of my buddies (he's a year older) is only taking 2 courses, the school is letting him because he has enough credits to Graduate, he just wants to boost his marks in a couple courses.

How long are each of your courses? Mine are 80 minutes...

And I don't even know if I'm gonna graduate this year...I probably won't. But in either case, I still can be eligible to go to University, diploma or not. It's a loophole that works like this:

-18+ years of age (which I will be before next school year)
-Scholarship
-Good enough grades in basic subjects like English and Math (I always get 80-90 in English, and 90+ in Math)

So yeah...that's why I'm taking 3 courses. 4 is a full schedule in Ontario.

GameMaster
11-10-2003, 07:04 PM
80 minute classes! :eek:

I couldn't sit in a class for that long, lol.

Our classes are only 50 minutes and that's bad enough.

Perfect Stu
11-10-2003, 07:06 PM
80 minute classes! :eek:

I couldn't sit in a class for that long, lol.

Our classes are only 50 minutes and that's bad enough.

That explains the difference in schedule...and you're probably going to have to sit through classes longer than 80 minutes if you're going to University...yep

Jason1
11-10-2003, 07:51 PM
hmmm...okay

Anatomly and Physiology= B+
Spanish II=B-
English 3=B
Drafting/CAD mechanical=A
U.S. History=B
Algebra II=A

Overall GPA of 12. :guitar:

Vampyr
11-10-2003, 07:57 PM
Overall GPA of 12.

How is that possible?

The highest you can have is a 4.0, unless your taking AP (Advanced Placement) classes, in which each grade is worth one more point than a normal grade of that letter.

For example, my GPA is 4.25, because Im taking an AP class, and I have an A in it, but how do you have a 12?????

PureEvil
11-10-2003, 07:59 PM
How is that possible?

The highest you can have is a 4.0, unless your taking AP (Advanced Placement) classes, in which each grade is worth one more point than a normal grade of that letter.

For example, my GPA is 4.25, because Im taking an AP class, and I have an A in it, but how do you have a 12?????

GPA scales are different everywhere.

At the college I'm going to right now, the GPA scale is out of 4.0. Last year it was out of 9.0. Other places will be different, it just depends on the school.

Vampyr
11-10-2003, 08:04 PM
GPA scales are different everywhere.

At the college I'm going to right now, the GPA scale is out of 4.0. Last year it was out of 9.0. Other places will be different, it just depends on the school.

Hm. Intersting. I learned something new today. =-D

One Winged Angel
11-10-2003, 08:04 PM
World History - 73 (D+)
Algebra 2 - 82 (B)
English - 80 (B)
Biology - 80 (B)
Health - 93 (A)

I'm rather disappointed with my grades right. My GPA is only a 3.27 :(. But... I just stopped caring.

Bond
11-10-2003, 08:05 PM
hmmm...okay

Anatomly and Physiology= B+
Spanish II=B-
English 3=B
Drafting/CAD mechanical=A
U.S. History=B
Algebra II=A

Overall GPA of 12. :guitar:
My school was forced to go to a 12 points grading system because the competition for valid victorian was so tight. This is how it works out:

12 = A+
11 = A
10 = A-
9 = B+
8 = B
7 = B-
etc.

It's harder than a 4.0 GPA scale... the ranges are something like:

A+ = 100-98
A = 97-95
A- = 94-93
B+ = 92-91

It also sucks because Honors classes are graded the same way as normal classes are...

EDIT: on my scale Jason wouldn't have a 12, I suppose on his he does though.

Vampyr
11-10-2003, 08:12 PM
My school was forced to go to a 12 points grading system because the competition for valid victorian was so tight

Heh, dude, its one word: valedictorian. heh.

And anyway, when the race is really close like that at our school, they just let them tie and we have more than one valedictorian.

PureEvil
11-10-2003, 08:15 PM
Yes, Vampyr is correct about the name.

Having more than one is kind of weird though.


valedictorian (n)
:the student usually having the highest rank in a graduating class who delivers the valedictory address at the commencement exercises

(From Merriam-Webster OnLine (http://www.m-w.com) dictionary)

I believe it's always been just one student anywhere I've gone. Meh.

Vampyr
11-10-2003, 08:18 PM
valedictorian (n)
:the student usually having the highest rank in a graduating class who delivers the valedictory address at the commencement exercises

Yes. And you have no idea what its like to set through SEVEN of those speeches. :distress:

The Germanator
11-10-2003, 08:40 PM
Seven of them?! That is ridiculous.

Joeiss
11-10-2003, 08:43 PM
:lol: valid victorian :lol:

Vampyr
11-10-2003, 08:46 PM
Seven of them?! That is ridiculous.

I know. I think there are 6 this year, and I believe there were 8 or 9 last year.

GameMaster
11-10-2003, 08:47 PM
I think normal kids should give the graduation speeches because they better represent their class wheras the strange 4.0+ kids who "compete" for the role are outcasts ostracized by the fellow peers for being so obsessed with school.

Bond
11-10-2003, 08:48 PM
I was actually going to do something with this post...

but nevermind.

Hero2
11-10-2003, 08:58 PM
I think normal kids should give the graduation speeches because they better represent their class wheras the strange 4.0+ kids who "compete" for the role are outcasts ostracized by the fellow peers for being so obsessed with school.
YES BURN THE SMART KIDS....i mean :sneaky: nevermind anyway my grades are what they alwase are in the c range and all home work turned in at or passed the due date...im such a slacker when it comes to school

GameMaster
11-10-2003, 09:01 PM
No, they're not smart, just obedient. Think of them as well trained animals.

Smart kids pursue their own interests

CrOnO_LiNk
11-10-2003, 09:09 PM
Gov't- C
Foods- A
Math- B
TA- A
English- B

I am getting a C for Gov't because it's 1st period and our teacher resembles a tall American version of a young skinny Hitler....

Perfect Stu
11-10-2003, 09:16 PM
No, they're not smart, just obedient. Think of them as well trained animals.

Smart kids pursue their own interests

I agree...

I mean, the smartest people I've ever met didn't get the BEST grades in school...the people most dedicated and focused on SCHOOLWORK are the ones who got the highest grades.

If I worked my ass off on schoolwork, I'd probably raise my average 5-7%. But I'd have a LOT less free time, I'd probably be miserable, would have to cut down on my hobbies like gaming/sporting/socializing/TV/movies. Not even CLOSE to being worth it.

85% average (when I know I can raise it a bit) is more than fine with me when I'm having fun.

BlueFire
11-10-2003, 09:24 PM
Contemporary History- A+
English II - A+
Spanish II- A
Chemistry - A-
Geometry - B
Art 2d- A
Jewish History- A+

Rndm_Perfection
11-10-2003, 09:26 PM
Jewish History- A+


...


tee hee

Stonecutter
11-10-2003, 10:27 PM
My school was forced to go to a 12 points grading system because the competition for valid victorian was so tight. This is how it works out:

12 = A+
11 = A
10 = A-
9 = B+
8 = B
7 = B-
etc.

It's harder than a 4.0 GPA scale... the ranges are something like:

A+ = 100-98
A = 97-95
A- = 94-93
B+ = 92-91

It also sucks because Honors classes are graded the same way as normal classes are...

EDIT: on my scale Jason wouldn't have a 12, I suppose on his he does though.
Yeah, my scale is the same way, only we don't have minus grades A+ is a 97-100 A is a 93-96, B+ 89-92, etc. Anything below a 70 is failing but the GPA weight is messy too. If you get an A in a College Prep class, it's worth 4. An A an Honors class is worth 4.5 and in an AP class it's worth 5 (In a PX/GS class it's worth 3.5)

But anyhoo.

Sociology - 96
H German - 99 (actually, I think it's like 103, but the printout only goes to 99, I don't know why they don't just put 03)
H Government 87
AP English 92

Dyne
11-11-2003, 01:35 AM
<-------------Nerd alert!

99.5%-- Stage Band 12 (Jazz Band 12)
98%-- Concert Band 12
96%-- English 12
93%-- French 12
88%-- Principles of Math 12

Next semester, I'm taking...
Stage Band 12
Concert Band 12
Geography 12
Computer Science 12
Information Technology 12
Geology 12

That adds up to.. 9 courses.

My friend in French 12 is getting 100.3% in the course. :P Ah, bonus marks.. the sweetest thing..

Mushlafa
11-11-2003, 01:33 PM
uhm... my marks go something like this

accounting - 25%
English- 34%
Math - 1%
and chemistry - 31%

which adds up to a whopping 22.8% average....

Jason1
11-11-2003, 02:26 PM
Okay here's how my gade scale works to the best of my knowledge...

I think the highest possible GPA you could get is like 17 or 18. Thats if you have 7 courses, all honors classes, getting perfect 100's in all of them. My GPA of 12 is good, definatley in the upper half of my class, but since im in no honors classes, its really not as good as it might sound...or something...

Perfect Stu
11-11-2003, 02:35 PM
Wow, you guys have some teachers that actually allow students to get 95+?

My English teacher has stated that he thinks 90 is DAMN NEAR perfection and the highest grade he's ever given out on a final report card is 86. On the mid-term class list, one girl has 86...one has 84...I have 82, and the next highest I think is 76.

When my dad was in school...the highest average from his high school graduating class was like 89%.

Blackmane
11-11-2003, 02:39 PM
Physics: 91
Calculus/Diff. Eqs.: 89
Jazz Ensemble: A I think

I'm a band nerd.

Dylflon
11-11-2003, 02:42 PM
Spanish 11 - 85%
English Honors 11 - 80%
Film Making 11 - 87%
Biology 11 - 72%

I could be doing better. I should do my homework. But I have a big Spanish project to hand in, a speech in english, i just handed in an extra credit project in Film and I have a huge test in Bio so my marks are probably going up this week.

BlueFire
11-11-2003, 03:10 PM
...


tee hee
It's part of bible studies, so this is basically "old testament". Next semester is "new testament"

PureEvil
11-11-2003, 03:13 PM
My English teacher has stated that he thinks 90 is DAMN NEAR perfection and the highest grade he's ever given out on a final report card is 86.

Wow... Your English teacher sucks.

That's kind of ridiculous for a teacher to just decide to cap the marks of his students at 90. If the students can get 95 or whatever, they should be rewarded with those marks.

Rndm_Perfection
11-11-2003, 03:21 PM
(H) Physics:: A
Marketing 3: A
(H) Trig/Pre-Calc: A
English 11: B+
Intro to Auto Technology: D+
Writing for Publication: A


Despite how long the Intro to Auto teacher has been teaching... he doesn't know what he's doing (or at least I assume that's so, because the students don't know what they're doing).

Jason1
11-11-2003, 03:32 PM
Wow, you guys have some teachers that actually allow students to get 95+?

My English teacher has stated that he thinks 90 is DAMN NEAR perfection and the highest grade he's ever given out on a final report card is 86. On the mid-term class list, one girl has 86...one has 84...I have 82, and the next highest I think is 76.

When my dad was in school...the highest average from his high school graduating class was like 89%.

Private School?

Rndm_Perfection
11-11-2003, 03:41 PM
90%+ in America isn't as difficult as in Canada, apparently. To compensate for this, the teachers have raised the requirements for grade letters.

87-89% = B+
90-93% = A-
94-100% = A

Lots of places are getting rid of "A+", supposedly.

And since GPA is based on letter grades and not percentages, we don't get any benefit from the "easy 95%".

ZebraRampage
11-11-2003, 04:22 PM
My school was forced to go to a 12 points grading system because the competition for valid victorian was so tight. This is how it works out:

12 = A+
11 = A
10 = A-
9 = B+
8 = B
7 = B-
etc.

It's harder than a 4.0 GPA scale... the ranges are something like:

A+ = 100-98
A = 97-95
A- = 94-93
B+ = 92-91

It also sucks because Honors classes are graded the same way as normal classes are...

EDIT: on my scale Jason wouldn't have a 12, I suppose on his he does though.


Our grading system is like that.

A+ = 99-100
A = 94-98
A- = 92=93
B+ = 90-91
B = 85-89
B- = 83-84

and so on..

Perfect Stu
11-11-2003, 06:08 PM
Wow... Your English teacher sucks.

That's kind of ridiculous for a teacher to just decide to cap the marks of his students at 90. If the students can get 95 or whatever, they should be rewarded with those marks.

I agree...but our school is one of the best in Canada in a couple areas, so I can't argue with the system.

They look at it this way:

Provincial Standards (Ontario has high standards compared to the rest of Canada, Britian and the United States in general I think) are 70-79. So that's a "good mark". Anything higher is exceeding the provincial standards...so I guess 90+ is pretty damn good. Either way...it tells me that 82 is a damn good mark, especially for his class. I bet the class average is right around 70.

Perfect Stu
11-11-2003, 06:11 PM
Private School?

nope. very good school, though...(academically...the sports suck)

Dark Samurai
11-11-2003, 07:11 PM
Our grading system is like that.

A+ = 99-100
A = 94-98
A- = 92=93
B+ = 90-91
B = 85-89
B- = 83-83

and so on..


83-83 is a B?

thats cool

ZebraRampage
11-11-2003, 08:08 PM
83-83 is a B?

thats cool

oops I mean 83-84 = B-

The Germanator
11-11-2003, 09:15 PM
My school was very hard in some ways, but maybe sort of easy grading wise in terms of the point scale...Basically you could get a 50 on a mid-term and not have to retake it, you would still techincally pass as long as your average was 50 or above.

50-59 F
60-62 D-
63-67 D
68-69 D+
70-72 C-
73-77 C
78-79 C+
80-82 B-
83-87 B
88-89 B+
90-92 A-
93-96 A
98-100 A+

That's how they did it in high school, it made enough sense to me, though they never really gave us letter grades on our report cards so they may have not even taken that into account. I got like 3.85 GPA last year, and myabe a cumulative of 3.5 over my 4 years of high school.

Dyne
11-12-2003, 01:34 AM
I'm a band nerd.

w00t. Bandies unite. :)

Mushlafa
11-12-2003, 04:29 PM
I dunno about you stu but in my school its not that hard to get good grades...
I know kids with averages in the 95+ range. I dont see why not either... if you can get perfect on every math test and quiz and are a good student in class and go to every class i dont see why not give the 100 ...

ZebraRampage
11-12-2003, 05:50 PM
w00t. Bandies unite. :)

I'm a Bando as well. Baritone and Alto sax. I won't be taking band class till next semester though.

GameMaster
11-12-2003, 06:30 PM
Contra-Alto Clarinet! w00t!

Perfect Stu
11-12-2003, 06:41 PM
I dunno about you stu but in my school its not that hard to get good grades...
I know kids with averages in the 95+ range. I dont see why not either... if you can get perfect on every math test and quiz and are a good student in class and go to every class i dont see why not give the 100 ...

math is different...much less subjective. I got a 94 in math last year...it's the other subjects where the teacher has to grade the student...

Joeiss
11-13-2003, 01:53 PM
I loved how in the past couple of years, technically a high school student in Ontario could not fail. THis was because level 1 waws 50-59%.... There was not a Level for failing, lol. They changed that now, though.

Crono
11-13-2003, 06:20 PM
I loved how in the past couple of years, technically a high school student in Ontario could not fail. THis was because level 1 waws 50-59%.... There was not a Level for failing, lol. They changed that now, though.

Well, zero's and failed tests could still make you fail. It's just when you hand in assignments that you couldnt get below 50.

Dyne
11-13-2003, 07:30 PM
I'm a Bando as well. Baritone and Alto sax. I won't be taking band class till next semester though.

Dang, that sucks. It would be hard to come back up to speed if you didn't practice, huh?

As for me, I play Alto and Bari sax as well, Tenor sax, tried a Soprano sax a couple times, Flute, Clarinets, Tuba, Trombone, Bass Trombone, and percussion. I've done them all in the band for years, but I major in Alto Sax. I also have been playing Tuba for a while in Band, and before, I played a lot of Trombone, and Bass Trombone. I don't play much Flute, Clarinet, or Percussion, because there's a surplus of them (why I switched down to Tuba) but I am able to play all major scales, arpeggios, and sightreading pieces on all.

I don't do high brass. =S I've formed an embouchure that can do low brass and reeds, but high brass.. ow.. I can't even do two octaves on a trumpet. I will one day, though.. my Private teacher plays them all, and professionally.

DimHalo
11-13-2003, 08:55 PM
Well, as for the band conversation... I don't know any instruments but sang and directed in chorus in high school. I have sort begun to teach myself how to play piano and dulcimer, but i am not very good and haven't practiced in over a year. I'm taking a jazz dance class next semester.

ZebraRampage
11-13-2003, 09:14 PM
Dang, that sucks. It would be hard to come back up to speed if you didn't practice, huh?

As for me, I play Alto and Bari sax as well, Tenor sax, tried a Soprano sax a couple times, Flute, Clarinets, Tuba, Trombone, Bass Trombone, and percussion. I've done them all in the band for years, but I major in Alto Sax. I also have been playing Tuba for a while in Band, and before, I played a lot of Trombone, and Bass Trombone. I don't play much Flute, Clarinet, or Percussion, because there's a surplus of them (why I switched down to Tuba) but I am able to play all major scales, arpeggios, and sightreading pieces on all.

I don't do high brass. =S I've formed an embouchure that can do low brass and reeds, but high brass.. ow.. I can't even do two octaves on a trumpet. I will one day, though.. my Private teacher plays them all, and professionally.

We have a thing called Enhancement (ENH), which is a 50 minute study hall thing, and it's based on a 6 day rotation where you sign up to go to a certain class room, and some days you go to clubs that you're in. And I have band on 2 of those days, so I get some practice. Right now I'm in Marching Band, Concert Band, Symphonic Band, Jazz Band, and Sax Ensemble. The only one I think I will need to practice for is Jazz since I haven't had much experience with jazz.

One Winged Angel
11-13-2003, 10:50 PM
I play the Alto Saxophone. It's alright, but I'm not a major freak over it.

I'm like the only person on the planet who can't read Jazz =S

Canyarion
11-14-2003, 07:18 AM
4.4 and 6.?
Out of 10. :unsure:

Yoda9864
11-14-2003, 11:24 AM
So yeah, first year of college for me is no different than High school.

Honors Myth and Legend - 95%
Honors Worldviews in Philosophy - 100%
Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry - 103%
Fundementals of Computer Science - 97%

I feel a little dissappointed with my Myth and Legend class. It's just hard because there are only 4 assignments the whole semester. We did two so far. And you can't redo them at all, so there is little chance to change your grade in the class.

Rndm_Perfection
11-14-2003, 03:03 PM
Honors Myth and Legend? Why do I think that class sounds wonderful (in "theory")? Maybe I'm just a Norse junkie.

Yugi Starwind
11-17-2003, 04:23 PM
Lemme see. it's the beginning of the 2nd marking period, and I haven't gotten my report card yet. Shoulda had it by now....

but here are my grades:

BIO: B
INTRO SPANISH 2: A
DRIVER's ED: either A or B(pretty sure it's A, just can't remember)
HISTORY: B
ART: C (the teacher grades very hard. I had her last year...)
ENGLISH: A
MATH:B

Alex
11-30-2003, 12:20 PM
World Issues (U): 68
Canadian Law (U): 78
Travel/Tourism (C): 84
English (U): 92

My attendance has been good, but as you can see, procrastination and bad effort levels leave me with 'less then stellar' marks. I'll probably work on bringing up my World Issues mark so I can finish the year with an 80% average.

Ontario's school system is truly a joke.

Bube
11-30-2003, 03:31 PM
Our exams still haven't started. First one is English, which is easy.

Then we have Organic Chemistry (cycloalcanes and stuff). I just hope I can get the 50 I need. Damn, I hate chemistry. I've always sucked at it. The teacher just can't teach. I found myself sleeping a few days ago...

And after chemistry, I've got Biology/Genetics. That's not too hard.

Ironfoot
11-30-2003, 04:12 PM
uh, from the top of my head

68 for english
76 for meterology
97 for band
88 for gym
87 in buisness math
83 in U.S. since 1945

yeah