I saw the matrix-spoilers

[Crash]

this is basically going to be a thread for those who have already seen the movie and don't wanna see any spoilers. because this will be loaded with them.
scroll down if you just wanna see my end feeling after seeing it.































I am totally pissed off that it didn't answer any of my questions. DONT SCROLL IF YOU WANT PLOT DETAILS!! THERE ARE SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


























now i know why the wachowski brothers are never seen anywhere. they know that after people see this latest movie, that they'd be immediately assassinated. there was no plot (just a war with machines, and that is it) and there are no questions answered. they end up right back in the place they were in the first movie. or, why didn't neo just go through the other door in revolutions. it would have ended the same way. trinity dies anyways, why the hell? the only reason the one was there was to end the war... MY @$$, he just post poned it, the machines still rule earth. what a crock! and how does neo still have powers if the "real world" is not the matrix. i'm sticking with my original theory because i believe it.

personally i think more matrix movies without keanu reaves and mrs moss are going to suck a fat one. i am totally confused as to why this movie was even made? they would be in the same spot if neo had just chosen the other door, cept now there are a few more zionites, whom are all going to die anyways, because they are trapped in a busted up hole with no ships to fly out! and how did neo destroy smith? why couldn't he do the same thing in the first matrix, why did smith come back, and why wont he come back again? is smith really the oracles son? all this movie did was make me ask more questions! NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Null]

just as i predicted long long ago.


And as i had stated many times, the Matrix shoulda been left as 'the one'

The whole reason for the 2nd and 3rd wasnt to tell a story, wasnt to complete a vision that they had of the matrix. wasnt to answer questions. --- It was for money, plain and simple. ppl who loved the first got suckered into seeing the 2nd and 3rd.

[Jason1]

I actually never really liked any of them...Havent seen the third one...and wont until it comes out on video, and even then I might not...

[TheGame]

WTF???

Crash, Null... I strongly disagree.

I liked the first movie, but I LOVE the story for Reloaded and Revolutions (and to an extent, ETM and the Animatrix). Reloaded and Revolutions make me enjoy watching the first movie more than I orgiginally did. The first movie is the only movie in the series that lacks a point, and it left a thousand more questions than even Reloaded.

Null, how can you say that these movies weren't made to complete the vision of the Matrix? The first matrix story was incomplete, period.

Also, Crash, how would you have written the script? Your questions are more about "how" instead of "why". What did you want, another 10 minute scene with the Archetect explaining all of your little questions?

By Neo going through the other door in the matrix things would have been much different. I can't even believe that you made that comment. It would have been a real interesting ending to show exactly how human life was on Earth even though what happens next is obvious :rolleyes:

Last time I checked there are 100,000 friendly machine ships in Zion with them, that's the way out. As for Smith coming back, DUH. If you would have watched reloaded, you would have had the answer LONG ago. When Programs face deletion they can chose to return to the source and die, or they can chose exile. The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, that's why he called her "Mom"

Any other questions, shoot.

In my opinion Revolutions was a good movie, and if you want to count reloaded and revolutions as one movie (which they pretty much are), I say it's the best sequal to a movie that I have ever seen.

[Null]

WTF???

Crash, Null... I strongly disagree.

I liked the first movie, but I LOVE the story for Reloaded and Revolutions (and to an extent, ETM and the Animatrix). Reloaded and Revolutions make me enjoy watching the first movie more than I orgiginally did. The first movie is the only movie in the series that lacks a point, and it left a thousand more questions than even Reloaded.

Null, how can you say that these movies weren't made to complete the vision of the Matrix? The first matrix story was incomplete, period.

Also, Crash, how would you have written the script? Your questions are more about "how" instead of "why". What did you want, another 10 minute scene with the Archetect explaining all of your little questions?

By Neo going through the other door in the matrix things would have been much different. I can't even believe that you made that comment. It would have been a real interesting ending to show exactly how human life was on Earth even though what happens next is obvious :rolleyes:

Last time I checked there are 100,000 friendly machine ships in Zion with them, that's the way out. As for Smith coming back, DUH. If you would have watched reloaded, you would have had the answer LONG ago. When Programs face deletion they can chose to return to the source and die, or they can chose exile. The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, that's why he called her "Mom"

Any other questions, shoot.

In my opinion Revolutions was a good movie, and if you want to count reloaded and revolutions as one movie (which they pretty much are), I say it's the best sequal to a movie that I have ever seen.

said it before i saw actually. only from what i heard.... just got back from seeing it a bit ago. but my comments arent too far off.

as far as the 3rd completeing something. It completes the 2nd. i give it that. and its not that bad of doing it. But as far as the matrix story, it ends nothing. it solves nothing. They are, 'almost' in essence back where they started. its almost as if he did go thro the door and zion will have to be rebuilt, only now with the same people.

the 2nd and 3rd dont have the 'feel' the matrix had in the first. which is understandable, because they built neo up to be so unstoppable in the first. they had to find crazy ways to make him get challenged.

2 and 3, expacially 2, feel more like thier own movies, then a continuation of the story. i think 3 helped, and i right now believe i liked 3 better then 2. But neither come close to the feel of the first.

Me personally i woulda liked to see them truly end it. and maybe of added a couple more twists. (i knew it wasnt going to be a matrix in a matrix because that theory became so overly used and obvious)

All in all it just feels like we went on one big loop and are back where we started. i KNEW they would leave it open tho, because about a year after the first, i read that they were given the go for a total of 6 matrix movies. That doesnt mean they have to make them all, more that they just wanted to end it in a way that they could continue if they wanted.

[Happydude]

there is still the fact of HOW it ended...too openly if you ask me, cause the oracle said that the world is going to stay like that "for now"...would've been much better if they had shown the planet like '1 Year Later' when you can acually see the sky and you see Robots and Humans working together, and then they show Morpheus and the Crew standing over the graves of Trinity and Neo beside each other...that wouldv'e been a better ending....yup...other then that, it was a good movie...

[Rndm_Perfection]

All in all it just feels like we went on one big loop and are back where we started. i KNEW they would leave it open tho, because about a year after the first, i read that they were given the go for a total of 6 matrix movies. That doesnt mean they have to make them all, more that they just wanted to end it in a way that they could continue if they wanted.

Well, the way they ended the film, it's still very possible that the "real world" is a part of an elaborate control of the Matrix. If it's not a part of the Matrix, then what is Neo? What explains his powers in the real world, and what would explain the train between the real world. Weren't the programs sending their daughter to the Matrix? ... Wouldn't that mean they were "living" outside the Matrix at one point?

Crash's original plans aren't entirely blown, as there's potential for another sequal that has room to expand on the Architect and Oracle's amazing form of control, the prophecy and dual-matrix.

[Crash]

Well, the way they ended the film, it's still very possible that the "real world" is a part of an elaborate control of the Matrix. If it's not a part of the Matrix, then what is Neo? What explains his powers in the real world, and what would explain the train between the real world. Weren't the programs sending their daughter to the Matrix? ... Wouldn't that mean they were "living" outside the Matrix at one point?

Crash's original plans aren't entirely blown, as there's potential for another sequal that has room to expand on the Architect and Oracle's amazing form of control, the prophecy and dual-matrix.


yep exactly, and i didn't hate the movie, i hate that my questions weren't answered. i loved the movie, and will see it 2-3 more times this november/december. just know that they aren't doing another movie makes me crazy!!!!!! the only reason they kept the matrix alive is so they could keep making more money off it by releasing info bit by bit and milking every dime outta it in the form of books, movies, short flicks and video games... they basically are forcing me to begin playing matrix online when it comes out.... curse them, that is what i hate. (love hate relationship)



lets take a look at themes in the movies... running through all three movies are choice, but mostly in the first one, the second movie is about purpose, and the third movie is about ________? also i did the fact that i dont understand the name of the movie until i watch the movie, who said this, revolutions not as in a revolt (like revolutionary war) but in revolving cycle...

[Blackmane]

I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end.

Also, I know that they had to close it someway, but I think we all wanted another twist that would close it in a radical, complete sort of way instead of "Oh, it starts again."

However, this time Zion is not warring with the machines, so a lot is different. It means that the Zionites don't have to be running from Agents or trying to free minds and stuff.

Also, at the end battle, do all the Smiths everywhere mean that Smith had consumed everyone and every program in the Matrix?

[ominub]

I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end.

Also, I know that they had to close it someway, but I think we all wanted another twist that would close it in a radical, complete sort of way instead of "Oh, it starts again."

However, this time Zion is not warring with the machines, so a lot is different. It means that the Zionites don't have to be running from Agents or trying to free minds and stuff.

Also, at the end battle, do all the Smiths everywhere mean that Smith had consumed everyone and every program in the Matrix?
yes smith took over everything thats why the machines went along with neo's deal

[Professor S]

I hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hatd=ed hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Yes, the incredible special effects and the battle at the docks was great, but other than that it was total garbage, and I mean TOTAL garbage.

How even the Wachowski brothers could watch this movie and feel it was worth putting in theaters blows my mind. It is self-important melodrama in its most ugly form. And the worst part is you get the idea that the brothers actually think that they are making an important film with some sort of meaning while you watch this crap. You want examples? See below:





***SPOILER***



1) Trinity Dies - Her death scene is so drawn out and tedious that someone screamed "JUST DIE ALREADY!" in the movie theater and whole theater CLAPPED when she finally died. I mean, we knew nothing about her character, so why should we care?

2) Neo is blinded and scarred, Trinity asks if he is ok, and he says YES... He was just BLINDED and MAULED, but he's just peachy I guess, and then he cracks a joke about Trinity having to drive. This drew some groans from the audience as well.

3) Keanu Reeves - His performance reminded me of an oak tree in the back yard. This man is completely incapable of showing any kind of emotion and yet he is a huge star in Hollywood. Amazing.

4) Nonsense masking as meaning - The Wachowski brothers have become so full of their own s**t that they think that all the tired, overblown crap that they have the Architect and The Oracle spew is actually some of of cryptic geniuos. Its not. Its babbling to make it sound that way. Also, the Oracles whole "when you know it you'll know it" lines got old during the first movie.


***END SPOILER***


This is one of the worst movies I've seen in a very long time. Please do not encourage Hollywood to spend their money on this absolute crap and DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE.

[Rndm_Perfection]

After thinking about it more, I've drawn a new conclusion about the series...




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It is near perfection.

It started as a traditional sci-fi series, introducing new ideas, new effects, and an excellent cast of characters. As it progressed, the end became foggy, and many questions arose. However, in the end, a certain purpose to the series is reveiled, eliminating questions. I think one reason why so many people hate the final film, is because it proved that they didn't know jack **** as to what was going to happen... that is, they didn't foresee it, it's out of expectation compared to their conclusions drawn from the original "feel" of the movie.

The movie is religion. That is, every part of the film has a purpose, it is based on some form of religion. Neo being most likely Jesus, the messiah.

Err, I gotta jet, school... talk more about this later O_o.

[mickydaniels]

The movie is religion. That is, every part of the film has a purpose, it is based on some form of religion. Neo being most likely Jesus, the messiah.

Err, I gotta jet, school... talk more about this later O_o.

After the first movie, I was almost thinking the same thing, along with that same old crap about computers controlling us.
I haven't seen any sequels because I thought the first was so crappy, but you may have a point with Neo being the Messiah.
Neo gets betrayed by one of his guys, like a Judas Iscariot, he's supposed to be a savior, in the first movie he has to be 'reborn' (baptism or being born again), Zion is such an important city. Plus I hear there's the Mark III No. 11 written on their ship. It says, "Whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and said, 'You are the son of God!'"

I could probably say more if I saw the latter films...
I hear there's also some Buddhist stuff, but I dunno..................

[Professor S]

The Wachowski brothers were never subtle about using Neo as a Chirst figure. That was obvious from the first movie. Just because they beat you over the head with metaphor does not make this a good movie series.

Also saying that people did not like it simply because they didn't know what was going to happen is silly. A good movie SHOULDN'T let you know what was going to happen. I didn't like the movie because after the second installment I no longer CARED what was going to happen, for the following reason:

1) Poor character development. We're told that Neo and Trinity love one another, yet there was about as much heat between them as there is in the center of a snowball. Also, what do we even know about Trinity?

2) Poor acting. Keanu Reeves is completely incapable of showing any kind of emotion. Thank God for Hugo Weaving's wonderfully over the top Agent Smith. He carries Keanu to s few tolerable scenes.

3) Horrendous Dialogue. Too many examples to show here. A main reason for the poor character devlopment. It was all plot with no story, and there is a difference.

4) Redundancy - They LOVE columns in rooms, and love blowing them up even more. It got old in the first one.

and the biigest flaw...

5) Pseudo Intellectualism. I found the exposition to be more tedious than enlightening. This was an excercise the Wachowski brother's intellectual ego's, and not actually intellectual.

The plot was good, but the execution of that plot was beyond bad.

[Null]

the movie and the series for that matter is FAR FAR FAR from perfection.

[Morpheus1]

lets take a look at themes in the movies... running through all three movies are choice, but mostly in the first one, the second movie is about purpose, and the third movie is about ________? also i did the fact that i dont understand the name of the movie until i watch the movie, who said this, revolutions not as in a revolt (like revolutionary war) but in revolving cycle...

Matrix= Cause and effect
Matrix Reloaded= Conflict of cause and effect vs choice
Matrix Revolutions= Choice

The first movie could have been interpreted as choice before we saw the second two movies, but Reloaded reveals that they never had a choice and they were just following the Machine's and Program's orders.

[Crash]

what was obvious to me was that neo didn't love trinity nearly as much as trinity loved neo... whats up with that? killing trinity was the stupidest this that could have happened in the movie. well not as stupid as killing neo with no explanation. but how clear is it that he actually dies? not real clear.

[Morpheus1]

what was obvious to me was that neo didn't love trinity nearly as much as trinity loved neo... whats up with that? killing trinity was the stupidest this that could have happened in the movie. well not as stupid as killing neo with no explanation. but how clear is it that he actually dies? not real clear.

The Oracle says that they may see Neo again, one day. The Year is around 2699 in the movie (if the cycle of Zion lasted 100 years each). The technology could be there. They should not revive him because he doesn't have much to live for any more. Trinity and Neo's love is completly even. Remember the decision he made at the end of Reloaded? He picked saving Trinity over saving the human race. In other words, he picked to kill everybody inside and outside of the matrix just to save his girl who is going to die either way within the next 24 hours. You talk about being blinded by love, sheesh.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

i can honestly say i am a real fan of this series, or rather i was, until i saw this movie.... i disagree with the people who say that the second is the worst, i think that this one surpasses it's flaws by far. NOT ONLY did it leave a million questions unanswered, but it also poses new ones, and just about kills any possible REAL imaginative story line. After all this surreal bulls**t, where he wakes up and its not real, where he doesn't know whats going on, where nothing happens as he expects(the architect), after all that, they let the FINALE go as unimaginative as possible. i mean honestly, who here who saw it can say that they weren't waiting, or even HOPING for an end that makes you go "HOLY S**T!!!!". i know i was...and then it ends with everyone being happy and a temporary peace, and i did go "HOLY S**T", but for the completely wrong reason!!!! Not only that but for example why was light coming out of neo's eyes and mouth in the real world when he killed smith??? they built me up SO much in the second with the introduction of the exile programs and different sides of characters, and then they smash you right down when all they do in the third is give you exactly what your expecting on a silver platter. people DON'T WANT THAT!!! people want a movie that will make them go WOW when they leave the theatre, something that they can talk about on the way home in the car. All this movie did was keep you complaining on the ways it didn't make sense. Like i said, i WAS a fan of the matrix series, but i have seriously reconsidered it now that i've seen the crap they've made it into.

[Morpheus1]

I wish that both movies were released as one 5hr Movie. They had given us too much time to hype up and build up what the second half of the movie was going to be. Maybe there could have been an intermission after reloaded, or they could have released both movies at the same time and let people decide when they want to see the second half in their own time. Either way, they had given us enough time, and a revealing enough trailer to spoil Revolutions.

We have to look at it for what it is, simply a good movie. If you would have seen it all from beginning to end without enough time to predict what was going to happen next, Revolutions would be the best part of the movie. Predictable or not, it had me on the edge of my seat more than Reloaded and the first Matrix combined. Revolutions is the king of unforgettable parts too. Can't get mad at the movie for not being what you wanted it to be, in the end it is just a good movie.

[Gamer]

Can someone explain to me why the hell all the smiths exploded? other than that i though the movie was good, except for it started a bit slow.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

when he took over neo's body, which was connected to the machines, the machines rewrote/deleted his program, and all the humans were unplugged, but the machines survived (a.k.a. the oracle, seraph, and the girl)

[The Duggler]

:D

You people just don't get it. (except The Game and Random)

I loved it. I loved reloaded. And I loved The Matrix

The whole is perfect like random said. I couldn't give a **** what you people think.

Go watch Charlie's Angels or something.

[Null]

:D

You people just don't get it. (except The Game and Random)

I loved it. I loved reloaded. And I loved The Matrix

The whole is perfect like random said. I couldn't give a **** what you people think.

Go watch Charlie's Angels or something.



yet oddly the ppl who like it are the ones that liked movies like charlies angles and underworld and **** like that. Matrix 3 has been getting some of the worst reviews across the board out of the entire year. the ppl who liked it are the ones siting how great the action is and blah blah. from a technical stand point. i havnt seen dialogue this bad since Star wars Ep 2.

The one person here who i can honestly say knows what he is talking about is Strangler. i dont know about the other movies he likes, but from hearing him talk about this one my 'first impression' is that he has a great taste in movies.

[Rndm_Perfection]

yet oddly the ppl who like it are the ones that liked movies like charlies angles and underworld and **** like that.

What the hell are you talking about?

I respect The Matrix, as it's religious embodiment was overshadowed by the intillectual conflicts that so many fanboys had troubled with. In the end, it was a very complex manipulation of religious tales.

Neo died for a reason, Crash. If Neo is comparable to "The One" of Christian belief, then he died rightly so.

The Matrix was a beautiful (err, well.. not at parts, heh) collaberation of science and religion. Yes, Science Fiction meets Religious (Fiction?). It was already known in the first two films how much the series had to do with religious tales. The whole cast of characters had names of religious importance... and Zion, of course, as well. When the series started, however, everyone was too interested in the new ideas; everyone was interested in the mind-numbing idea of having our minds in the captivity of an illusionary world. The Alice in Wonderland allusions made viewers feel like the real world was some magical, foreign land... and that is all.

What if, perhaps, it was not the Matrix and the real world being compared by the Alice and Wonderland allusions, but rather Science and Religion, or even our universe and the afterlife? It's possible.


Keanu Reeves had said in an interview that the brothers intended on making three movies when they made the first. They must've known what they were doing when they created the first movie... especially since you can see the Architect's TV screens right before Neo is interrogated by Smith.


The sequals were more than worthy, and more than worth my time. Charlies Angels, on the other hand, is "absolut" trash. And Underworld, I have not seen... haven't even heard much about it O_o. But, of what I've heard, a lot of people have become obsessed with Vampires and Werewolves. I accept their nonsense and dreaming, but the movie doesn't sound respectable.

[Professor S]

What the hell are you talking about?

I respect The Matrix, as it's religious embodiment was overshadowed by the intillectual conflicts that so many fanboys had troubled with. In the end, it was a very complex manipulation of religious tales.

Complex? More like muddled and obvious. It was like someone was beating me in the head with a wiffleball bat. I could see them doing it, but can't really feel it and I am left wondering why they are doing it at all.

In the end the Wachowski's had an excellent plot, but did not have the chops to put it together in an artful fashion, much like Underworld. Instead of taking some of the time from the overly long action sequences to build up their characters are allow the story to further the plot, they preferred to rely on effects and action to sell tickets and then proceed to "tell" you the story in long, convoluted monologues that attempted to exchange vocabulary for inspiration. The first rule in any creative field is that you should "show" your audience your inspiration, and not "tell" them. You can tell me that Neo and Trinity are in love, but you can't make me believe it by just telling me and you sure as hell can't make me care by having them kiss a lot.

In the end the Matrix 2 and 3 illustrated why some writer/directors NEED the support system that studios can provide. There was no one to keep them in check. The Wachowski brothers became lost in their own universe and with no one to bring them back, they only served to babble to their own egos.

If you like the this movie, thats fine. There are plenty of bad movies that a lot of people like. You may like this movie, but do not mistake it for good cinema and surely not art.

You want an incredibly well put together trilogy of epic films? Lord of the Rings. Peter Jackson is a friggin' genius. He mixes CG, forced perspective and splices together endless miniatures for one purpose... to SUPPORT THE STORY, not replace it. He understands that for us the audeince to care about the characters in the film, we must first get to know them. We must feel loss when they fall. This is why I like his extended versions of his first film much more than the theater edition. He spends more time developing the characters.

Someone asked what movies I like: well here are my favorites no particular order:

The Seven Samurai (Kurosawa was the greatest action director ever)
Ran (pronounced Raan)
Akira
Miller's Crossing
The Lord of the Rings Series
Braveheart
Raising Arizona
The Field
Yojimbo
Unforgiven
The Quiet Man
Hard Boiled
2001: A Space Odyssey
Nosfersatu (both the original and the Werner Herzog remake)
The Prophecy
They Live (best B movie EVER)
The Shining
Seconds
American Psycho
The Manchurian Candidate

I guess I could go on, but 20 is enough.

[Yoda9864]

I thought this movie was awesome. I loved the whole trilogy in general.

It had everything I could want in a movie:

-Action
-A touch of romance
-A compelling plot (though not exactly clear)

The thing I loved the move about this movie was the fact that it made me think. What is going to happen next? Why did that just happen? How are these two things connected? I love movies that actually make you think. I can tell you that in two years, I will still remember these movies and think: how/why did that happen?

Personally, I'm not a real big fan about movies that are just so overloaded with action that you sit just sit there after the movie and say, "Well that was cool, what are we gonna do for the rest of the night?" Well, don't get me wrong, I guess I do like those kind of movies, because they are cool, but with a movie like The Matrix you leave the theatre with just a little more wonder/amazement/curiosity/religion or whatever you get out of the movie.

A lot of my friends that saw it said that they didn't really like it. I suspect that they are saying that just because it didn't end how they wanted it to, or that it didn't end answering all your questions. WELL TOO BAD!!! Get used to it! I don't wanna hear you bitch and moan about how your questions were unanswered, or how the love scenes were ghey, or how it didn't end the way you wanted to.


*OFF TOPIC*
What really bothers me is how people can say that The Lord of the Rings movies suck ass. THey are some of the best movies I have every seen. I beleive that FotR and TTT have been voted onto the IMD top ten movies of all time list.
I know a lot of people that say that they suck becuase they didn't include such-and-such scene from the book, or such-and-such character wasn't in the movie. God damnit people, the books were great and they had a lot of details. No movie, especially these, could get all of the detail out of the book into the movie. JUST LOOK past the minor omitences and just admit they are very good movies, because they are just that, great movies.


Hod Hamnit, now I'm all pissed off. I gotta get to sleep.

[Neo]

I just got back from the theater. I'm really tired so I'll chime in with my opinion later.

[The Duggler]

It's funny how people try to analyse movies like they were big shot hollywood critics, eh, strangler?

Anyways, if you would actually watch the movie, and let yourself into it, instead of looking at everything else around and behind it, you would enjoy much more.

Yes the acting is kind of dull, but I think it's fits the context perfectly. Neo and trin, knew they were going to die, so don't expect them to be all romantic and stuff.

I don't know why the 1st episode was so good. It was all the same actors after all.

[Crash]

the first lord of the rings is in my top 5 movies, but the second one is a really big dissappointment for me. of course nothing like the book, the first movie was almost identicle to the book. they added stupid things, and they removed important things

[Morpheus1]

Null, I don't like Charlie’s Angels and I have never heard of underworld, yet I love Matrix. It's not cool to make generalizations like that. [I won't mess with your Rep unless you mess with mine]

Rndm_Perfection, you make great points [+Rep]

The Strangler, you are full of it. If Matrix isn't art, what is? Matrix had huge special effects, but that doesn't take away from the story. Matrix was meant to satisfy the people who don't read too deep into movies, and the people who read way too deep into the meaning of a story. None of the movies on your list can touch Matrix in Action, because Matrix showed us things that we have never seen before and leaped beyond our imagination. You can't tell me you imagined the battle at Zion being done any better than it was. Then, under all the action, there is a story that makes you think harder than any of the movies on your list, and that has multiple meanings. I can't see how a fan of movies in general can not like this film, unless they are into chick-flicks (which you are not, because I like the majority of the movies on your list). [I won't mess with your Rep unless you mess with mine]

Yoda9864, I agree with you. I'm not into complete action movies that don't make you think. Matrix just happens to be a mix of the best action (imo), and a story that made me think harder than any movie in my life. What was seen in the Matrix can never, and will never be copied without being called a rip-off. [+Rep to you]

Neo, You are The One [+Rep]

[Professor S]

Yeah, I'm full of it. I concentrated in Film in college and have seen probably 50,000 films from around the world, so I must have no idea what I'm talking about.:rolleyes:

Like I said, the Zion battle scene was amazing. With that I agree. I even said that the plot was excellent. But incredible special effects and a strong plot do not make for a great movie. You still have to execute the STORY and then piece everything together. Not to mention you need to get strong performances out of your actors to make you care about them. I don't blame the actors so much, though, as they weren't given much to work with in terms of dialogue. The dialogue in this movie reminds me of Sylvester Stallone in Cobra. Its that contrived.

I even stated that its ok to like theis movie, but do not pretend to think that it is good cinema. Its not. Its self-indulgent tripe that pulls more on the lebido than the heart.

The first movie was great, but the last two have degraded considerable with each release. Stop being defensive and see it for what it is.

[ominub]

The Strangler, that it is your opinion that the second and third movies degraded, some will agree with you and some wont. I am one of the ones that dont agree with you. I see it the other way but thats just my opinion.

[Null]

a lot of you let your opinions take way to much into this.

whether you liked it...
and whether it was a technically good movie...
are two WAY WAY WAY differnt things.

strangler thinks more along the lines i do in this. in viewing movies in a more technical way, looking for the things that make good movies, bad movies, good acting, dialogue, things of that nature.

no one said likeing the movie is a bad thing. But aside from special effects, the movie wont win many awards.

and Morpheus, learn not to take generizations so personally or life is going to get tough bro.

[The Duggler]

and have seen probably 50,000 films from around the world Yhea right. :rolleyes:

[Morpheus1]

Null, You lost me. What makes a movie technically good?

The Strangler, Special effects and plot may not make a movie technically good (whatever that means), but it makes a movie memorable. This is what separates Jurassic Park, Star Wars, and ET from movies on your list. I saw nothing wrong with the acting in the movie. The story was meant to have holes, and most likely couldn't have been executed any better without dumbing down the action or adding hours of more film.

[BreakABone]

Might as well chim in here while I'm around.

It seems to me that many of you went into the movie wanting to like it no matter what, and the fact of the matter is you did. No matter if you forced yourself to or you geniunely liked it. I don't know.

I do think that Null and Strangler looked at a movie in a more, don't want to say objective minor, but I guess they looked at the film for it's own merit before applying it to the trilogy.

As a side note, has nothing to do with the rest of this, I recently purchased American Pyscho and that is one bad ass movie. I recommend any one to see it.

And a final note, isn't Justin gone yet?

[Professor S]

Yhea right. :rolleyes:

Ok, I will admit to using a bit of hyperbole there, but I have seen a LOT of movies. I worked in the media services department throughout college (it was a great hangover job on weekends) and I saw every movie that they had in the library. Add to that that I've seen probably 3-5 movies a week outside of college since I was 16 (I'm now 26), and you get the idea.

Like I said, all of your arguments as to liking the action, which was well done, and the plot are fine. You are free to love this movie if you like. My point of contention is when people try and paint this film as a work of art along the lines of Lawrence of Arabia, Lord of the Rings or the first 2 Star Wars. Its not even close. Those movies were cinematic operas. In comparison to those films Matrix Revolutions is the equivalent to watching two monkey's fight while dressed like Sheakespearean actors. They try and look like they're smarter than they are, and its even somwhat entertaining to watch on a visceral level, but don't mistake it for creative inspiration.

[Yoda9864]

In comparison to those films Matrix Revolutions is the equivalent to watching two monkey's fight while dressed like Sheakespearean actors.
Hehe, I would like to see that someday for real,lol.

Whatever, Everybody has their opinions. I've been bashed for liking SW, so I've been desensitized to all bashing. lol

[Blade Runner]

I noticed a lot of ppl sayin they had unanswered questions but never actually said what they are. I also noticed that at school a lot of people who hated it (some of them who loved underworld null O_o ) didn't understand it. Who knows, there might be some kind of connection there. So, how bout u guys who say you have the unanswered questions ask them and we'll try to answer them for ya. I found one i think i can answer :D

Er...whoever asked about lil girl
I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end

I think this one may be simpler than we think. IMO, she........controls the weather :D I dunno, maybe yes, maybe not. I believe thats why when the virus Smith took her over he had control over the weather all of a sudden and it was all stormy and black. And that may be why when the machines destroyed the virus it showed her when the weather went back to normal. And, that might be why she said she "made the rainbow." Because...she did, seh controls the weather :D IMO of course :-/

[Rndm_Perfection]

a lot of you let your opinions take way to much into this.

whether you liked it...
and whether it was a technically good movie...
are two WAY WAY WAY differnt things.

strangler thinks more along the lines i do in this. in viewing movies in a more technical way, looking for the things that make good movies, bad movies, good acting, dialogue, things of that nature.

no one said likeing the movie is a bad thing. But aside from special effects, the movie wont win many awards.

Opinion has everything to do with the success of a movie. If a person enjoy's a movie, they'll watch it. If you enjoy a movie, then it's a good movie. Enjoyment is a matter of opinion... whether you enjoy it based on its plot, its graphics, its acting, or its atmosphere determines your opinion.

As for the bolded section of the quote, I'd say your opinion about the movie also helps you conclude how good the movie is. That's not a bad thing though... because that's what an opinion does, always. No-one can ever involve their opinion too much when discussing something as subjective as the success of a film or its direction.

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Yes, the movie was rushed in terms of mechanics. I do, however, feel that Neo's dull attitude was accurate as, before he was in the Matrix, he was simply a computer techie who did dirty work for some "associates". He was also looking up radical ideas online about a Matrix. Hmmm, I just don't think someone like Neo would be very animated under normal circumstances.

Judging a movie technically only goes so far. It's not mathematics... there is no answer; everything is based on opinion. I respect your opinion, but I also enjoyed the movie.

[Null]

i never said the movie wasnt successfull. hands down it will be a huge success as far as money goes.

and they prolly dont care about awards, so they will get exactly what they wanted out of the movie.

[TheGame]

Eww... this thread got ugly.

Null... Matrix, if you like it or not, will be rememberd as one of the greatest films of all time. Not only is there room for a billion side stories (like Star Wars), the story has no cut and dry meaning... it makes you think, and everybody gets somthing different out of the story. The fact that it has the biggest and best action sequences ever made and the fact that it appeals to a wide audience is just iceing on the cake.

[Null]

the first matrix. yes. will get remembered as one of the greats. i GARENTEE you, the 2nd and 3rd wont get remembered for such. maybe one of the most popular, but thats entirely differnt. One of the best action sequences, yes thats entirely possible too.

[Kitana85]

I think in the third movie it got too religous...
It seemed like that was more of its purpose... there were a myriad of biblical refernces.. indeed, after I saw it, the people I went with all got together to discuss all the religous aspects of the movies... we were talking for over three hours.... I don't have the list of comparesons with me, however if anyone is interested, I can get the list... but it covers everything from the anti-christ, to the Jewish interprestaion of Zion, to the first may be last verse from the gospels, Anderson = son of man... Smith, by ALWAYS calling him Ms. Anderson acklowleged his position...etc.

Oh yeah, I loved it, but that may be because I was sitting one seat away from a GOURGOUS guy and saw reloaded first in an apartment with 8 guys and 2 oher girls... 6 of the 8 guys were gorgous... that may have contributed a bit to my love of the movie...

[Ace195]

I saw the movie last night with jonbo.. I liked it overall. it was a generally good movie I wasn't there to find all the answers even though I felt it left me a little high and dry it did answer alot of my questions. But I would like to see how the humans and machines end up. Like does zion finally come to the surface and start rebuilding a society with the machines ?

[Professor S]

I saw the movie last night with jonbo.. I liked it overall. it was a generally good movie I wasn't there to find all the answers even though I felt it left me a little high and dry it did answer alot of my questions. But I would like to see how the humans and machines end up. Like does zion finally come to the surface and start rebuilding a society with the machines ?

Well Ace, actually completing the story wouldn't leave any more room to make even more increasingly bad movies and make even more money off of everyone's enjoyment of the first film. Plus, telling a story would take precious time away from those incredibly long battle scenes.

All hail the Wachowski brother!!! LORDS of the Hollywood sequel!!! Accolades to them and their self-indulgent merchantile "ART"!!!!

Everyone happy now?

I actually hope that this movie is a success. That way Warner Brothers can take the money from the profit and put it towards something of quality.

[Ace195]

what would you rather see then name a movie that is better than matrix ?

[DeathsHand]

When the first Matrix came out, I wasn't a huge fan... it was 'ok'... Then eventually I took a liking to it... Then reloaded came out, and it was just kinda eehh ok... now Revolutions... And it's just eehhhh....

Stuff was cheesey, stuff took too long, stuff was boring...

And I really hate kung fu battles... They seem so out of place in the matrix, and they're so boring to watch... I also don't like the flying (same with reloaded)...

And don't you think they could have come up with something more original than a giant talking face? Does everything have to be so big and flashy? Why couldn't a normal robot come down and talk to him? Nooo it had to be a giant talking face made up of many robots...

The End...

[Yoda9864]

Why couldn't a normal robot come down and talk to him? Nooo it had to be a giant talking face made up of many robots...
Simply put, that would be retarded, lol. Plus, it would be too "simple" for a machine. I don't know, I'm just making stuff up, lol.

[Professor S]

what would you rather see then name a movie that is better than matrix ?

I made a list of 20 of them in an earlier post on this thread.

[DeathsHand]

Simply put, that would be retarded, lol

And the talking face wasn't? We weren't the only ones in the theaters laughing and wondering "What the fudge?" when the face came together...

And when I say a normal robot, I don't mean one of the sentinals (that's what they're called right?), it could just be some other big important looking robot... Just not the giant face! Anything but the giant face! NNNOOOOOOOOO!!!

Also I think about 3 hours could have been cut from Trinity's death scene...

[Rndm_Perfection]

And when I say a normal robot, I don't mean one of the sentinals (that's what they're called right?), it could just be some other big important looking robot... Just not the giant face! Anything but the giant face! NNNOOOOOOOOO!!!

While very funny looking and quite possibly cliché, I can find the purpose of its use. The AI was programmed by humans... Even though the one that talked to Neo wasn't necessarily directly programmed by humans, human thought would still have a large influence on its design. Why would a robot programmed by humans try to think up a new way of communicating with humans? Also, the robots are a bit like bees. Either a core controls the masses, or they're just that damn coordinated due to their mechanical perfection. In the real world, the computers didn't make any androids that I know of... so the only way they could have human physical movement is to take the masses and mock the movement, similarly to what happened in the battle. All the little bots were working together, or were all commanded together just to form a face.


And I really hate kung fu battles... They seem so out of place in the matrix, and they're so boring to watch... I also don't like the flying (same with reloaded)...

Heheh... despite the fact that it's the most practical form of melee combat? Weaponry obviously wouldn't help very much against the super elitists of the Matrix (agents and Neo)... as the bullets could be dodged. Instead, manipulation of one's body is the best form to hit a target and inflict pain.

As for the flying... err, what exactly is the problem? The graphics? I assume it your problem isn't with the legitimacy of flying being used in the Matrix, as it's obvious that if one could disobey gravity, what is to keep them down. Flying is much more mobile than staying on the ground.

[ominub]

If the machines only had Windows XP they could Ctrl+Alt+Delete just look for process smith end it and not have to worry about him messing up the matrix.
then the humans would have been doomed because neo going up there would have done nothin.

[Rndm_Perfection]

If the machines only had Windows XP they could Ctrl+Alt+Delete just look for process smith end it and not have to worry about him messing up the matrix.
then the humans would have been doomed because neo going up there would have done nothin.

The only problem with that idea is that the computers probably know the percent failure rate when performing CTRL ALT DLT to end a program... and damn is it ever high. My computer just can't take it.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

man, what happened to Norton Antivirus 2666??

[DeathsHand]

While very funny looking and quite possibly cliché, I can find the purpose of its use. The AI was programmed by humans... Even though the one that talked to Neo wasn't necessarily directly programmed by humans, human thought would still have a large influence on its design. Why would a robot programmed by humans try to think up a new way of communicating with humans? Also, the robots are a bit like bees. Either a core controls the masses, or they're just that damn coordinated due to their mechanical perfection. In the real world, the computers didn't make any androids that I know of... so the only way they could have human physical movement is to take the masses and mock the movement, similarly to what happened in the battle. All the little bots were working together, or were all commanded together just to form a face.

Heheh... despite the fact that it's the most practical form of melee combat? Weaponry obviously wouldn't help very much against the super elitists of the Matrix (agents and Neo)... as the bullets could be dodged. Instead, manipulation of one's body is the best form to hit a target and inflict pain.

As for the flying... err, what exactly is the problem? The graphics? I assume it your problem isn't with the legitimacy of flying being used in the Matrix, as it's obvious that if one could disobey gravity, what is to keep them down. Flying is much more mobile than staying on the ground.

And? As the great Maddox said about "Reloaded"...
There are going to be websites popping up left and right trying to justify this movie, trying to rationalize everything, but there's one thing all these geeks are forgetting: just because a movie makes sense, doesn't mean it's good. There are plenty of movies that make sense, and are about as entertaining as a box of pig ****.
Though I like big confusing storylines sometimes (silent hill), and making every little detail make sense even though 99.9% of people who see a movie wouldn't think through that far (if they didn't fly in the movie, I doubt many people would be wondering 'So if they can do this and that, why couldn't they FLY!?') could be a plus, the facts stand:

a. The face made me laugh
b. Kung Fu bores me (at least it did in The Matrix)
c. I thought the flying looked stupid (and yeeesss it was possible in the maaatrix and blaaah de blah I had no problem with that)

and to add another thing, the final fight between Neo and Smith was bleh... Not only was it just crazy camera angles and crazy grr I will rip your face off, but it was also crappy flying (and they spun around each other a billion times) and they did that damn run into each other and have the rain go WOOSH like 4 times... It was as bad as The Reloaded fight with all the Smiths where he beat them all then more came and I was like "Oh look, more" then even MORE came and I was like "aaaaaand moving on..."

[Dark Samurai]

HA!!!!

I was right!!!!!!

in the predictions that i made all of them i was right!!!

the religious part and everything and all the things i was right

cool

well i was a little dissapointed with the ending but the movie was good

man the ending had no point to it

it just reminded me that i had to slap my sister on top of her head for bothering me during the movie *(thanks little indian girl)*

the fight scene when neo and smith fight in the air was kinda stupid

my friend told me that it was badass and it just sucked *(Dragonball Z my ass)*

hahahahahahahahhaah

i love being right

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

ya....other than a few well placed kicks by seraph, there was very little kung fu in this movie..... that kinda disappointed me....air battels can't replace good old fashioned crazy kung fu

[GameMaster]

As far as the giant face goes, who was talking? Did the voice of the giant face belong to the leader of the machines? Do the machines even have a leader? If so, who is it?

Also, when Agent Smith "infects" Neo and turns him into a Agent Smith copy, is it Neo that summons the power to destroy Agent Smith as well as all his copies, or do the machines (or the leader machine if there is one) send power through Neo's real body to destroy Smith and all his copies?

And... are there currently any plans for a fourth movie because I want to know if Neo is dead?

Also, I still don't understand how Agent Smith transferred himself into the real world in that other guy's body who was in a coma as well.

[Canyarion]

I saw it and I loved it.
I was expecting a dissapointment but didn't get one. Cool ending too... I think. :D

[Joeiss]

HA!!!!

I was right!!!!!!

in the predictions that i made all of them i was right!!!

the religious part and everything and all the things i was right

cool
hahahahahahahahhaah

i love being right


Do you seriously think that you are the only person on the planet that compared religion to the Matrix? I mean, come on, that is truly pathetic. Run a search through Yahoo! and you find tons of sites about Matrix Philosophy and Matrix Religions.

[Canyarion]

Ok here are some more thoughts.

They used a lot of crap to 'fill' the movie. The train guy had nothing to do with the story. The Merovigian or whatever he's called was boring (although his wife is pretty ;)).
Same with the keymaker in Reloaded. :confused:

I liked the ending.... NO it's not like when they started in The Matrix and NO Neo couldn't have just picked the other door.

The most important thing in the 6th matrix is Agent Smith, not Neo. Neo was just 'part of the system, another form of control'.
If Smith wouldn't have been there like a virus, Neo couldn't have made the deal with the machines. Then Zion would have been destroyed without any free people left.

I thought that the Oracle or the Architect had given the little girl (name again?) the job to let the sun rise. Like the Oracle says in Reloaded, they have a program to let the sun rise.
Smith probably took over a lot of those programs and thus was able to control the rain and stuff.

The last fight scene was SOOOOO Dragon Ball Z! :rolleyes: It could have been Goku - Freeza or something...
It's probably a tribute to DBZ.

And with 'peace', I don't see humans work together with machines... More like "Ok we won't kill you, but WE still rule the earth!"

About the acting: Neo wasn't supposed to be very emotional! He was perfect, he was just the shy guy that had received the role of 'the One' kinda unwillingly.

I agree that I didn't feel THAT bad for Trin... they coulda made it more dramatic. But it's better this way, she knew Neo wasn't coming back anyway.

Hugo Weaving was a bit TOO over the top at times... like when he just took over the Oracle... :unsure: :p

All in all we're just ano... I mean all in all it's a good movie, the end of a good trilogy. :D

*looks forward to november 20 (TTT EE DVD)

[Rndm_Perfection]

Ok here are some more thoughts.

They used a lot of crap to 'fill' the movie. The train guy had nothing to do with the story. The Merovigian or whatever he's called was boring (although his wife is pretty ;)).
Same with the keymaker in Reloaded. :confused: )

The train guy and "Merovingian" are quite important. The trainstation is similar to limbo, or purgatory. Neo was sent there for some reason when he manipulated the system and disabled squiddy. By pressuring the Merovingian was Trinity able to free him from the first level of Hell... bwuahahah. *looks around*

And considering how Agent Smith is comparable to the Anti-Christ, I wouldn't say he was ever "over the top". He was one step away from complete control over every body in the Matrix... and nothing was in his way, the Oracle was just sitting there.

[GameMaster]

As far as the giant face goes, who was talking? Did the voice of the giant face belong to the leader of the machines? Do the machines even have a leader? If so, who is it?

Also, when Agent Smith "infects" Neo and turns him into a Agent Smith copy, is it Neo that summons the power to destroy Agent Smith as well as all his copies, or do the machines (or the leader machine if there is one) send power through Neo's real body to destroy Smith and all his copies?

And... are there currently any plans for a fourth movie because I want to know if Neo is dead?

Also, I still don't understand how Agent Smith transferred himself into the real world in that other guy's body who was in a coma as well.

*bump*


They used a lot of crap to 'fill' the movie. The train guy had nothing to do with the story. The Merovigian or whatever he's called was boring (although his wife is pretty ). Same with the keymaker in Reloaded.

Angrist, those guys were all relevant to the movie. The train maker was responcible for creating the station that links the real world to the matrix. Had he not built it, Neo would have been in a coma for the entire third movie and for the rest of his life.

The Keymaker was also relevant because he's programmed to make keys for all the doors. Some doors can't be opened without keys no matter how strong or powerful you are.

The most important thing in the 6th matrix is Agent Smith, not Neo. Neo was just 'part of the system, another form of control'.
If Smith wouldn't have been there like a virus, Neo couldn't have made the deal with the machines. Then Zion would have been destroyed without any free people left.

Neo is just as important, as it's stated, they're opposite, equal forces. If Neo hadn't been there, then Agent Smith would have no opposing force to "balance the equation." So he would've destroyed both the real world and machine world and that would have been the end of everything.

And with 'peace', I don't see humans work together with machines... More like "Ok we won't kill you, but WE still rule the earth!"

Perhaps but I don't think so. Neo and the Machine made an agreement to live in peace if he destroyed Agent Smith and the Machines will keep their word. Remember the scene at the end:

Oracle: Are you going to let the ones free that want to be free?

Man: Of course I am going to let them. What do you think I am, human?

What you're suggesting is a choice that could only be made by a human (or a corrupt file I suppose). But machines don't betray or break promises like that.

[TheGame]

Do you guys realize that a part of Neo is still inside the matrix at all times? I dunno, I thought more people would catch this. Neo can see anything outside the matrix that is still connected to or controled by the matrix in some way.

That's why he could see the "orange code" outside the matrix after being blinded, and that is why he could manipulate things outside of the matrix.

If you didn't understand what I just said, think of it like this:

Neo's mind is both in the real world and in the matrix at the same time, the matrix may have some sort of simulation program that tells the agents where all of the machines are on the outside. Neo can see this simulation program in the real world, and by using his powers from within the matrix and destroying somthing in the simulation he is destroying somthing in the real world.

proof that what he can see isn't 100% accturate and could be in a simulation is the part where he is in a ship with trinity and a machine flew into his body.

It's stupid because the Oracle half way explains this in the game, and half way in the movie. I hope this helps you out Crash.

The part in the train station is important, but it doesn't make any sense. Neo hacked his mind in to the wrong place...

I must say that Revolutions is definently a movie for the hardcore matrix fan. People who took the time to watch the animatrix, beat the game and have a complete grip on reloaded's story (in a litteral sense not with metaphors) couldn't have been dissapointed. But I can easilly imagine someone who didn't get the full understanding of the war (with Animatrix) and someone who didn't get that one-on-one time with Niobe and Ghost not liking the movie.

I mean, The chase scene where Niobe was piloting the ship was very special to me, and seeing Ghost on the guns taking out so much so fast was cool too. People who played the game already knew what happend to Neo, and where the Logos was and how it got there.

The Animatrix just reveals that the humans are the bad guys in this situation, and it explains what happend to the sky. Seeing them get over the clouds was a special part to me too.

But I feel that the Wachowskis kind of forced us to get into a lot more than the acctual movies to understand the story, and even after all of that you have to think way too hard to get a grip on what happend. That is why I feel that the majority of people who aren't hardcore matrix won't be attracted by the story.

My opinion is that this is one of the all time great stories, and one of the all time best films, but like all trillogies, you have to have a grasp on everything to love it. Matrix made me think, and showed me somthing more amazing than any movie I have ever seen. It won't be everybody's favorite, but it's mine.

[Canyarion]

*decides to see the Animatrix and play the game*

Ok the trainman is more important than I thought. It gives a new dimension to the tale, but it lacks the 'wow'-factor that we got in TM and TM Reloaded.
So if programs can go outside the matrix, what form would they take? A machine? Probably, as Agent Smith also stated that he wanted to get out of the Matrix.

Why do you think Smith was destroyed? I've heard a few theories:
Because Neo is Smith's counterpart, the balance eachother. Once Neo is gone, Smith dissapears.
The purpose of Smith was to destroy Neo. After he did that, he self-deletes (seems unlikely because they talk about Smith destroying both worlds and stuff)
Once Neo is taken over, the machine upload an antivirus into Smith. Why they couldn't do that with a normal plugged in person... perhaps they had to upload it to the strongest one.
The first 2 seem a bit uncredible, because then Neo wouldn't have had to fight at all... You also see some kind of flux going through Neo's body..

Hehe, the more I think about it, the more I like it. ^^

[Blackmane]

*decides to see the Animatrix and play the game*

Ok the trainman is more important than I thought. It gives a new dimension to the tale, but it lacks the 'wow'-factor that we got in TM and TM Reloaded.
So if programs can go outside the matrix, what form would they take? A machine? Probably, as Agent Smith also stated that he wanted to get out of the Matrix.

Why do you think Smith was destroyed? I've heard a few theories:
Because Neo is Smith's counterpart, the balance eachother. Once Neo is gone, Smith dissapears.
The purpose of Smith was to destroy Neo. After he did that, he self-deletes (seems unlikely because they talk about Smith destroying both worlds and stuff)
Once Neo is taken over, the machine upload an antivirus into Smith. Why they couldn't do that with a normal plugged in person... perhaps they had to upload it to the strongest one.
The first 2 seem a bit uncredible, because then Neo wouldn't have had to fight at all... You also see some kind of flux going through Neo's body..

Hehe, the more I think about it, the more I like it. ^^

I think that the reason Smith died when he took over Neo was because of how they were related. Smith had a part of Neo in him the whole time. That is why he was Neo's opposite and why he became so powerful. Once he was able to take over Neo, Neo had a part of Smith in him. I think that somehow, Neo was able to take a little bit of control of every Smith through himself and self-delete his code since he was now integrated into Smith.

That would explain why it had to be Neo that would stop him, but it still doesn't quite make sense why he had to fight. He could have just given in and then killed him. Perhaps he had to show persistance in order to maintain some control of himself in order to delete Smith, or else he would have been permanently controled and Smith would have won.

Also, in Mythology, who is the guy who leads people to hell? I think that person is equivalent to the Trainman. The Merovingian may be equivalent to Satan, and thats why he controls the trainman.

[Rndm_Perfection]

That would explain why it had to be Neo that would stop him, but it still doesn't quite make sense why he had to fight. He could have just given in and then killed him. Perhaps he had to show persistance in order to maintain some control of himself in order to delete Smith, or else he would have been permanently controled and Smith would have won.

I think Neo fought because he wasn't quite sure he had the ability to mess with Smith from the inside. Then again... I wonder how he thought it was possible to beat all of the Smiths one-by-one (Even if the first, the Oracle, was the strongest) in hand-to-hand combat.

[TheGame]

By Neo just giving in to Smith Smith could have predicted that this whole fight was a trick. Oracle let Smith see what she wanted him to see to lure him into fighting Neo.

It would be nice if the game (Matrix Online) answers some questions like Enter the Matrix did.

[Morpheus1]

http://episode81.blogspot.com/#the_one

[Stonecutter]

Anyone ever notice that NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IN ANY OF THE FIGHTS!!!!!!!!


No one ever "wins" a battle. There's 90 billion sentinals, how many did the Zionists kill? Was there ever a chance of them killing all of them?

And in reloaded, did any of the Agent Smiths die? they just keep coming, why did Neo even have to fight them at all if he was just going to fly away?

When I actually sit and watch the movies, I love them, because actually being infront of the screen I can turn my brain off, but when I sit back and think about them, they all go to hell.

I've got to say, the part were Neo punches Smith at the very end, and you see the imprint of his fist on his face, that might be the coolest special effect I've ever seen.

[DeathsHand]

I've got to say, the part were Neo punches Smith at the very end, and you see the imprint of his fist on his face, that might be the coolest special effect I've ever seen.

I think that was the part of the movie that made me laugh the most...

[Stonecutter]

Oh, well, I agree that it's completly over the top and corny (to the point where it's almost as if the movie is parodying itself) I still was impressed by the effect.

[Canyarion]

Yeah I was like: :rolleyes:
I hated it when Neo didn't finish those Smiths off... They just kept coming back. :distress:

The weren't gonna kill all the squiddies, they were gonna die.

[Morpheus1]

I think that was the part of the movie that made me laugh the most...

me too

[The Duggler]

No one ever "wins" a battle. There's 90 billion sentinals, how many did the Zionists kill? Was there ever a chance of them killing all of them? There was about 250 000 sentinels and no, the humans didn't have a chance. If it wasn't for Neo and the deal he made with the machines, the sentinels would have wiped them all out.

And in reloaded, did any of the Agent Smiths die? they just keep coming, why did Neo even have to fight them at all if he was just going to fly away? We'll he didn't know how many there was in the beginning and was probably curious to understand what was happening, when there was too many smith to fight, he just escaped.

When I actually sit and watch the movies, I love them, because actually being infront of the screen I can turn my brain off, but when I sit back and think about them, they all go to hell. Maybe because you don't understand? Anyways it makes perfect sense to me. (maybe not 100%, but a good 95%)