Big Bang Theory [Archive]

Happydude

11-01-2003, 11:39 PM

what is your theory about how the planet came to be...and dont say the big bang explains it all...cause it's only a theory...

Crono

11-01-2003, 11:44 PM

Well, the Big Bang Theory is a theory about the Universe, not the planet. And since I'm not sure which one you meant, I'll just answer your question anyway. I believe the Earth was formed naturally in space by rocks bombarding each other to form a larger chunk of rock, which eventually grew into a sphere and gained a lot of gravitational power.

Rndm_Perfection

11-01-2003, 11:44 PM

Err, not sure that theories of creation was what was intended by this forum...

Aaand,

what is your theory about how the planet came to be...and dont say the big bang explains it all...cause it's only a theory...

What's up with that last part? You want us to reply with what theory we believe created the universe, but not use the Big Bang theory, because it must be invalid due to the fact that it's a theory?

Rndm_Perfection

11-01-2003, 11:46 PM

Crono

11-01-2003, 11:53 PM

Err, not sure that theories of creation was what was intended by this forum...

Right. What we need are some hard core World War II topics...

CrOnO_LiNk

11-02-2003, 12:32 AM

Right. What we need are some hard core World War II topics...

Yeah, I think that's what World History really points towards, but still, this has to do with the world, so...

Maybe it was the dinosaurs that are now extinct...? Maybe all the continents just seperated because "it was time"......

I just hope this thread doesn't go into another religion arguement.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe

11-02-2003, 12:37 AM

Well... yes, that is how planets are formed ¦¬Þ. According to Physics and laws of gravity, it works out.
wait wait wait....are you saying that if i stay in space for several millenia and bang two rocks together they'll eventually stick together?

Vampyr

11-02-2003, 12:42 AM

wait wait wait....are you saying that if i stay in space for several millenia and bang two rocks together they'll eventually stick together?

Er, yeah, why not. :sneaky:

Hey Gimpy, why dont we start now? We should be done by christmas...in the year 10,000,003.

Xantar

11-02-2003, 01:32 AM

Right. What we need are some hard core World War II topics...

Right then.

The French have no place in the Security Council because they've been defeated in every one of the wars they've fought in the 20th century.*

Controversial and discussion-worthy enough for you? Good.

*Views expressed in this sentence do not reflect those of the author. Even though I did just write it.

Rndm_Perfection

11-02-2003, 01:51 AM

wait wait wait....are you saying that if i stay in space for several millenia and bang two rocks together they'll eventually stick together?

It wouldn't take several millenia for two objects to pull to one another.

Only inertia, gravity, and physical forces control movement. The gravity on Earth is massive, because Earth is massive. the gravity on a rubber band is tiny, because a rubber band is tiny. Even the moon's gravity is "large".

How do materials form in the first place? Atoms come together due to either magnetic fields or a gravity equivelant, forming molecules. The compounds/molecules will eventually grow until gravitational pulls are formed.

I'm not saying that if you take two rocks in space and smack them together that they'll stick together. Their transfer and conservation of energy from the collision, combined with the laws of inertia, would send the two rocks off in certain directions at certain velocities determined by the speed in which they collided.

Bond

11-02-2003, 09:54 AM

Right then.

The French have no place in the Security Council because they've been defeated in every one of the wars they've fought in the 20th century.*

Controversial and discussion-worthy enough for you? Good.

*Views expressed in this sentence do not reflect those of the author. Even though I did just write it.
How about the U.N. has no place in our world today because it is a useless debating society? :)

Well, it actually has a place... to look nice.

One Winged Angel

11-02-2003, 10:06 AM

Well... yes, that is how planets are formed ¦¬Þ. According to Physics and laws of gravity, it works out.

Just because it can happen doesn't mean that's how it happen.

Happydude

11-02-2003, 11:43 AM

ok...ok...this didn't work out the way i planned...so let me re-phrase it...how do you think the planet was created...including water and stuff...

DimHalo

11-02-2003, 11:47 AM

God created it all...

*is not trying to start a religious argument, just answering the question*

GiMpY-wAnNaBe

11-02-2003, 01:22 PM

i think that we're the result of a psycopathic mind in a comma in another dimension :)

Happydude

11-02-2003, 02:15 PM

.......got anything to back that up? lol......

Vampyr

11-02-2003, 02:29 PM

Okay...I think its time to school you all in the art of "wierd theories."

Okay, here is one of my favorite: (Stephen King made this up in a novel called "The Gunslinger")

Each atom is actually a universe. So, our entire universe, including earth, the sun, the planets, OTHER solar systems and OTHER galaxies, they are all inside of an atom of something larger.

So our entire universe very well could be an atom on a blade of grass in a universe even larger. And that universe is actually an atom on something in an even larger universe, and so on. It goes without stopping, an infinite number of universes. And if you were to travel to the very end of the universe, you would see the outside shell of whatever our universe is a part of. For example, you might see a huge blade of grass wrapped around the outside of our universe.

Also, if you were to walk out onto the beach, and kick the sand, you would actually be sending an infinity of infinity of universes spiraling through the air. Because each atom that makes up a grain of sand would be a universe, and within it would be an infinite number of universes.

This doesnt exactly say how the earth was formed, but it is a cool theory about the universe.

As for how this ultimate magnitude of atoms were created, I have no idea. My faith professes that god made it all, so thats what I believe.

Rndm_Perfection

11-02-2003, 06:05 PM

Each atom is actually a universe.

I stopped there. If an atom was a universe, our universe would be an atom... a building block for another universe. As well, our atoms would be comprised of atoms.

Infinites do not comply with me. 1/2 of infinite = infinite, infinite + 1 = infinite, infinite * infinite = infinite, the amount of real numbers between 1 and 2 = that between 1 and 4, yet is also double.

I do not like infinites.

Happydude

11-02-2003, 06:06 PM

I stopped there. If an atom was a universe, our universe would be an atom... a building block for another universe. As well, our atoms would be comprised of atoms.

Infinites do not comply with me. 1/2 of infinite = infinite, infinite + 1 = infinite, infinite * infinite = infinite, the amount of real numbers between 1 and 2 = that between 1 and 4, yet is also double.

I do not like infinites.
amen.......

Hero2

11-02-2003, 06:12 PM

ok my theory on how crap attacts (completed with sientific lingo even)

negitive and positive attract
negitive and negitive repel the same goes for positive and positive
with that said everything is made of theese two things a negitive and a positve force when combined they equal eachother out but what if i take one negitive and two positive(group a) then it will attract one negitive(group b) and be done with it but another negitive ion comes and takes the positve ion so it will be equal ten group b will be pulled vcloser untill both groups share the positve ion untill another one comes along and is pulled into the group evening it out imagine that happening tens of thousands of million of bagillon times and it starts making a planet untill some of the materials degrade and make new moliculs and half life sets in(the molicule form not the game) and gasses form and an atmosphere and bang one planet and only 7 days ohh wait thats the other thery make it crap i cant count that high ohhwell its a long time

...now my head hurts...*passes out from over thought*

Vampyr

11-02-2003, 06:19 PM

Rndm_Perfection

11-02-2003, 06:25 PM

God created it all...

But to what extent? Did God just create the materials of the universe and they formed together, or did it "snap its fingers" and planets formed? And, what was on planet? Was it barren and then for millions of years create a livable enviorment, create many species, watch them die, and then produce more through the changing climate?

If you're basing your conclusion on the creation myth, I'd like to point out my confusion about a particular part...

The myth supposedly points out the number of days (seven, I believe) it took to create everything... and then at the end, man(kind) was created. First, I wonder, are the days based on Earth's spin? That is... an "Earth day". Would the seven days include the millions of years of before, after, and during the age of dinosaurs?

I don't expect you to know the answer, I'm just trying to point out that there are quite a few flaws with the "direct" creation of the planet. God, however, could've easily created the materials necessary for the Universe to form itself.

Vampyr

11-02-2003, 06:29 PM

God, however, could've easily created the materials necessary for the Universe to form itself.

Not if he wanted it done in Seven days.

Rndm_Perfection

11-02-2003, 06:30 PM

I do like infinites. I am a math student and do very well in math, and we math students enjoy inriguing things like "infinite".

Err, I also excel at math, but there is a great difference between understanding and pursuing conceptionalization. Strict mathematicians like obvious answers, and that would be the root of why they are good at it. It is scientists who like to "disect" an idea for further understanding. Not even all scientists would "enjoy" the term "infinite".

While there are infinite applications for infinite, it creates a pattern similar to paradoxes... sane scientists hate paradoxes. Even the guy in the wheelchair (err, ignore the fact that I disrespected him by being to lazy to look up his name).

DimHalo

11-02-2003, 06:31 PM

But to what extent? Did God just create the materials of the universe and they formed together, or did it "snap its fingers" and planets formed? And, what was on planet? Was it barren and then for millions of years create a livable enviorment, create many species, watch them die, and then produce more through the changing climate?

If you're basing your conclusion on the creation myth, I'd like to point out my confusion about a particular part...

The myth supposedly points out the number of days (seven, I believe) it took to create everything... and then at the end, man(kind) was created. First, I wonder, are the days based on Earth's spin? That is... an "Earth day". Would the seven days include the millions of years of before, after, and during the age of dinosaurs?

I don't expect you to know the answer, I'm just trying to point out that there are quite a few flaws with the "direct" creation of the planet. God, however, could've easily created the materials necessary for the Universe to form itself.

I haven't formed a definate opinion on that. I have thought (when I was a kid) that God created the planet and the first humans along with putting dinosaurs on and such and continued to control (still continues) things to make it what he likes. However, my opinions grow and change everyday so I don't want to take a firm stance on that until I know exactly what I believe.

Vampyr

11-02-2003, 06:33 PM

While there are infinite applications for infinite, it creates a pattern similar to paradoxes... sane scientists hate paradoxes. Even the guy in the wheelchair (err, ignore the fact that I disrespected him by being to lazy to look up his name).

I like paradoxes. =-D

But Im not a scientist. I just find paradoxes entertaining and interesting. Like the "infinite" paradox.

And I think his name is Stephan Hawkins.

Rndm_Perfection

11-02-2003, 06:39 PM

Not if he wanted it done in Seven days.

What does it matter anyway? The number of days would be relevant to Earth time. Earth Time. I'd safely say that there is evidence of more than seven Earth days before humans came into existance... even that there were more than seven Earth days before the Earth itself formed in the universe.

Time dictates both intertial and chemical reactions. Even if time was sped up a lot, so that reactions formed what Earth was at the creation of humankind, Earth would've spun around enough times to make many more than seven days. If the time of creation was as fast as seven modern days (assuming we had some magical crystal ball to see it all happen), the number of days in the "image" would be exploded to a massive number, as the rate at which the Earth spins would also be magnified.

Rndm_Perfection

11-02-2003, 06:41 PM

continued to control (still continues) things to make it what he likes.

Where's that leave human choice? Is it God's control that you believe in God? Would it be God's control if you gve birth, as only God can create? Does God control my actions as well? That is, my questioning of God's control?

Not trying to pry, but I do not know of others' beliefs.

Bond

11-02-2003, 06:55 PM

Where's that leave human choice? Is it God's control that you believe in God? Would it be God's control if you gve birth, as only God can create? Does God control my actions as well? That is, my questioning of God's control?

Not trying to pry, but I do not know of others' beliefs.
Well, all religions have different answers for that question. The basic answer is that you are only applying what we know as humans to your questions. God very well could allow us to have free will, but he could also know what actions we will take.

Blackmane

11-03-2003, 03:50 AM

We assume that the 7 days to create the Earth were 7 Earth days, but there is no way to determine if a day to God is actually a day to us or a thousand years.

Since we can have no definitive answer to that question, we can only assume that it was not done in 7 Earth days and that depends on the suns orbit of the earth. Since light was not created until day 2 (or 3), that already is pretty good evidence supporting a non-Earth day.

DimHalo

11-03-2003, 03:54 PM

Rndm_Perfection

11-03-2003, 04:55 PM

That is an entirely different subject. And should be left alone in this forum.

Awright, cool by me :)

DimHalo

11-04-2003, 12:01 AM

Awright, cool by me :)

=-D

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11-05-2003, 12:02 PM

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GiMpY-wAnNaBe

11-05-2003, 05:47 PM

err.....well, frankly i found parts of that post fairly repetitve just like TheGame's Arguments :D:p

j/k