"The GameTavern Migration"....

[Shadow Fox]

Now, before anyone else sends me flames, PM's and whatnot, know that I'm simply observing the obvious. Somehow GameTavern has transformed into what see before us- a site full of drama, hatred, and fights for "popularity", and other undisclosed actions by certain members. It doesn't take a genious to know that what caused the site to go .net created a hole that put it in a downward spiral of morale, productivity, and population.

As many of you may know, the infamous DevaSlayer posted some rather awkward things in this board, and has been at AGB for the longest. I see no reason why he could be this way (as I've never seen him like this), but I'm sure he had a good reason. Now before you say I'm mad (which I am), I care nothing of the personal matters in between the staff members/ex staff members of this site, but when it starts to cause several mods and members to leave the site in one sitting, something's wrong. Severely wrong. And it starts at the leadership and management being followed through correctly. That hasn't been happening here, and as a result- well, I'm sure you all see that.

Random newbie: "So Shadow Fox, does that mean you're leaving too???"

While I can't say I won't be posting here, I can say where I WILL be- namely NDose, AGB, and PVG randomly. I've accepted a writer position at NDose awhile back, and actually wanted to STAY with GameTavern, even when I was denied a staff position here for having experience at the former site. I found no wrong in this, as I understand two "competing" sites obviously can't have the same writer (or so I was told). The little sanctions that have developed within these forums ("I hate this guy, you hate him too?? Let's post in THIS board only") are just sickening, and the not-so-secret absence of members like sdt Pikachu have all but saved my tolerance for what's happened to GameTavern.

I used to b!tch about a custom rank awhile back (for a LONG time), and even got into it with some other members (EPT, ftcis), and then it was all good; I made ammends with the chaps-done. But when I still see THE SAME GRUDGES being carried over after there was almost no GT at all, I entered the brink. This is one of the main reasons I've been on hiatus at XBA; not that anyone cares...

Yup, lots and lots of members left GT this weekend, and I just happened to be one of them. To the few members that actually respected me somewhat: (Bluefire, Marionette), carry out my "ninja-ing" and whatnot. Not that you'll miss me; you know where to find me. And to everyone else, and peeps who can't f#@king stand me, have fun at the new "Ninja-less" GT- where no cynical, intelligent, and ranting debates will ever come from me. At least not anymore...the antidisestablishment here is no longer tolerable by my patience or temper.

I doubt anyone would reply to this, but if you do, ask yourself this question:

"Why are so many peeps leaving GT?"

Think about it; then post about that, not me.

*plants sword into ground*

*walks away*

-Official Ninja of Nintendose

[DarrenMcLeod]

Wait-a-gosh-darned-minute...

Without you, who the hell will protect me? I need an official bodyguard! An official ninja!

*spots BreakABone coming in the distance*

...Oh damn.

[thatmariolover]

Yeah. At least I'm not the only one feeling this way.

Thanks ShadowFox. You just made my day.

But I DON'T THINK GT IS A BAD SITE.

We're generally good members. Good people. We give a DAMN about each other, and that's what matters. But the people that don't give a **** are the ones that should be gone.

GT was founded for its members. Not to be run as a dictatorship. I ask you to look at the leadership of GT as the problem, and not the site in itself.

Namely, I have had disputes with certain webmasters who were less than kind (in fact, they harrassed me). We need leaders that give a damn. That's what makes people come back. It's got to be "part of the persona" of the leader.

[BlueFire]

What the **** is this? People are leaving for no reason (Well, except Shadow)...Is there a reason why Deva has to come back? Because he wants to keep on a membership drive for AGB? Members listen to him, people abandon GT...Where are things heading.. :unsure:

*sees sword planted safely*

*jumps away*

[Yugi Starwind]

Hey, Darren Mcleod, I'll take the job. I'm the oficial samurai of GT.

[DarrenMcLeod]

Yugi... You are my official Samurai. I expect big things from you. You have big shoes from you.. I'd say about a size 12... 13... something like that.

ShadowFox... I'm sorry to see you go. Honestly... you made me laugh, and you always protected me from the evils of the forum... but I'm with BlueFire on this one.

I don't understand why people are leaving. Honestly, it's stupid. If you don't have a reason, don't follow the pack. The staff here at GT (especially Neo and PureEvil... damn they are great) have worked their asses off for this site, and once it comes back, this is the credit you give them.

Damn. That's bad. Give us some time, give us a chance. The forums may have seen better days, but whatever. That doesn't matter. We're like the New England Patriots... noone thinks we have a chance in hell... doing bad... then BAM we kick some serious ass. Yeah. That about sums it up.

[thatmariolover]

The History of Gametavern


The history of “Gametavern” is cannot be summed up as the organization of a newsgroup that has been developed in the past few months. The community, which “Gametavern” stands before today, was in existence before the websites domain was even conceived. To be able to accurately state the history of “Gametavern”, a summary of the history of its members is required. For without its members, “Gametavern” would not be the site it is known as today. Therefore this document will focus more on the trip Gametavern’s members have been taken on. I mean, “Gametavern” is only a name, right?

It all started a couple of years ago when a teen named Aziz Matar started a gaming site called “nintendodolphin.net” (the name chosen for obvious reasons). He updated very often and earned a good reputation with his growing members. After a while he decided a “.com” address would better suit his site. This site came to be known as Nintendose. It was a well-respected gaming site, and grew to a very large size (Ed. Note: I became a member of the forums, then moderator, and towards the end I was the sites letter editor).

Unfortunately all good things must come to an end (to coin a phrase). Aziz became busy with “other things” and eventually lost interest in Nintendose. Cameron Rail (CamFu), the founder of Gametavern, knew that this would happen in the end, and had a backup plan. A different site, set up and run by him would replace Nintendose. Giving us all our “Daily dose of Nintendo Gamecube”. Later, Adam Grumbo (Crash) was chosen to do a lot of the designing and such for GT’s layout.

Although GT has many of Ndose’s old members, many of them went with Vincent Phavman, a latecomer to Nintendose. He started a second site, AdvanceGB.com after Ndose died. Although there is some tension between the two sites members, we can all generally agree that we have the same background. We still share fond memories of each other, and even share a laugh from time to time.

So under the skin Gametavern is nothing without it’s members. We have been around much longer than GT has, and will probably go some other (hopefully less drastic) changes as a website. What really matters is that our members will always be there, and that’s what will always matter.

What about the leadership, though? Well as of late, Cameron has left us. He’s currently in Germany. He has a family to take care of. He’s done his bit, and we all thank him. He gave a damn. And that’s what mattered. What about Crash? Well, I guess I don't know what's going on. Maybe he's got some personal problems to iron out, and if so, all power to him.

PureEvil is the new webmaster, but he really could give a “fu*k how we all of us feel about the site. But you know what? He’s NOT Gametavern. We are. Every single one of us is. And nothing can take that away from us.

Logic would dictate that it is time for new leadership. But maybe it’s just me…

[BlueFire]

Originally posted by DarrenMcLeod
Yugi... You are my official Samurai. I expect big things from you. You have big shoes from you.. I'd say about a size 12... 13... something like that.

ShadowFox... I'm sorry to see you go. Honestly... you made me laugh, and you always protected me from the evils of the forum... but I'm with BlueFire on this one.

I don't understand why people are leaving. Honestly, it's stupid. If you don't have a reason, don't follow the pack. The staff here at GT (especially Neo and PureEvil... damn they are great) have worked their asses off for this site, and once it comes back, this is the credit you give them.

Damn. That's bad. Give us some time, give us a chance. The forums may have seen better days, but whatever. That doesn't matter. We're like the New England Patriots... noone thinks we have a chance in hell... doing bad... then BAM we kick some serious ass. Yeah. That about sums it up. LOL. How many slopes has our forum gone through? Many...Many it seemed bleak for us to stay up...and yet we still made it. I don't understand what the hell is going on now...

[Xantar]

BreakABone has been predicting that I'd say this, but I don't care.

I leave these forums for a few days and the forum flies apart while I'm gone? What's going on here?!?

[thatmariolover]

Check your email Xantar. The explanation is there.

[GameKinG]

AHHH! You just screwed everything up! I wanted you to be my partner mod for cube! "Worst episode ever." - comic book guy.

[thatmariolover]

Originally posted by GameKinG
AHHH! You just screwed everything up! I wanted you to be my partner mod for cube! "Worst episode ever." - comic book guy.

I'm sorry. I really didn't want to ruin anyone's forums. If that's what I'm doing, I guess me leaving might be the best thing for the forums. I just know that being harrassed for no reason isn't right. And that's exactly what went on.

[GameKinG]

No, no, no, its not your fault, I was talking to Shadow.

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by GameKinG
No, no, no, its not your fault, I was talking to Shadow.

Now you have me as a partner... again

We're partners at Nintendose too, so you should be used to it :p

[GameKinG]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Come back shadow! Come back!

[TheGrimReaper]

Why is everybody leaving?

[GameKinG]

One huge problem with this thread: Everybody respects you, and a lot of people replied in seeing that you made this thread.

Kind of an oxymoron.

[GameMaster]

All members please stand strong. I can tell you from my years on the net that this place is unique and that their aren't many like this one. This is only a test being put on us. The Administrators and Moderators have put so much into making this place what it is I would hate to see it go. More importantly, I would hate losing touch with the members here. We are a unique community of gamers and peoples. Hold tight.

[PureEvil]

Heh, you guys are getting too caught up in the moment.

"lots and lots of members left GT this weekend"
"Why is everybody leaving?"

"everbody" isn't leaving... "lots and lots of members" didn't leave.

Eric left, EPetit left (He'll be back; you wait), and Shadow Fox is leaving. Three people. Maybe some other less-notables are in there too, but don't worry about them.

Let's take what Eric said to heart.

"We are (GameTavern). Every single one of us is. And nothing can take that away from us."

So a few people leave. Who cares. The members make up GameTavern, right? (Right Eric? You said it). So, if a few people leave, who really cares? Nobody should. Just as I (PureEvil) am not GameTavern, Eric isn't GameTavern, nor is EPetit, nor is Shadow Fox. Not a single person who has left GameTavern recently was important.

They aren't GameTavern. We are GameTavern.

Let them leave. Is anything going to change? No. As a matter of fact, things might get better. There won't be an EPetit around to bash people for no reason (Until he comes back, that is...). There won't be an Eric around to cry about the injustice of the whole thing. To cry about how PureEvil is such an a**hole (By the way, Eric... I was only doing that to you. I'm sure if you think really hard, you'll figure it out).

These people who left are better off gone. And GameTavern is better off with them gone. If they were so easily led astray for whatever reason, they weren't the kind of people you want to be talking with all the time anyway.

Don't worry about the quitters. Concentrate on those of us here who haven't left. We aren't bitching about everything little thing we can find. We aren't overly eager to take off.

As Eric said, "We are (GameTavern). Every single one of us is. And nothing can take that away from us."

Well put. Too bad he says that, and then buggers off to play around somewhere else (Makes you wonder, doesn't it?).

GameTavern may have lost a few of its members, but it kept even more. And the ones who stuck around (And who will continue to stick around, as I know many of you will) are the ones that matter.

The people who left? Bah. They're quitters. We didn't want them anyway.

(And remember, GameTavern is definately on the way up. Things have been going good lately. Don't be worried that GameTavern is sinking away or anything. The forums have been getting better, and the site has been getting better. We aren't hurting yet. Try to keep from letting the foolish [thatmariolover, EPetit, ect...] influence you too much).

[GameKinG]

Worthy of Websters.

[thatmariolover]

And so PureEvil tries to paint over reality.
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"Eric left, EPetit left (He'll be back; you wait), and Shadow Fox is leaving. Three people. Maybe some other less-notables are in there too, but don't worry about them. "

Wow. Doesn't that show how much you care about your site and its members. :rolleyes: Like I've said and will continue to say, things might be different if you gave a damn.

"So a few people leave. Who cares. The members make up GameTavern, right? (Right Eric? You said it). So, if a few people leave, who really cares? Nobody should. Just as I (PureEvil) am not GameTavern, Eric isn't GameTavern, nor is EPetit, nor is Shadow Fox. Not a single person who has left GameTavern recently was important. "

Nope. You completely missed the point. It's like nature. You can't remove on creature without effecting another. Somebody might like one of us, so they'll leave, and then somebody might like them, so they might leave, and so it's a domino effect. Which is why I'm not leaving and never said I was. I said I was leaving the staff. If you assumed, as you do quite often, I'm sorry.

"These people who left are better off gone. And GameTavern is better off with them gone. If they were so easily led astray for whatever reason, they weren't the kind of people you want to be talking with all the time anyway. "

OK Mom. If we were the first to speak out maybe it's because we care so much. I've never done anything like this in my life, but I'm doing it now because this is B.S. Gametavern deserves better.

"Don't worry about the quitters. Concentrate on those of us here who haven't left. We aren't bitching about everything little thing we can find. We aren't overly eager to take off. "

Again. I haven't left. I spoke out and completely left the staff. Why don't we all concentrate on what would be best for those of us who are here. Gametavern doesn't belong to anybody if it's members communicating. It should be an equal deal for everybody. Interesting how we run it like a dictatorship.

"The people who left? Bah. They're quitters. We didn't want them anyway. "

There you go again. Speaking like you can openly speak for every member of Gametavern.

"(And remember, GameTavern is definately on the way up. Things have been going good lately. Don't be worried that GameTavern is sinking away or anything. The forums have been getting better, and the site has been getting better. We aren't hurting yet. Try to keep from letting the foolish [thatmariolover, EPetit, ect...] influence you too much)."

Jeepers. You sure like to speak the opinions of everybody...

[bobcat]

Originally posted by DarrenMcLeod
Wait-a-gosh-darned-minute...

Without you, who the hell will protect me? I need an official bodyguard! An official ninja!

*spots BreakABone coming in the distance*

...Oh damn.

*hacks Breakabone with Axe*

I'll protect you............but be warned............

If I c any old people running at you with hand bags and walking sticks........your on ur own :unsure:

[BreakABone]

Well speaking to Fox on AIM often, I know that his decision wasn't just made at the spur of the moment. He has been thinking about it for a while now.

Um well Darren.. I will have to beat you up thinking me a wigger.. ARGH

Well Xanny- if you copy and paste from me correct the grammar.. There will always be mistakes:p

And well bobcat- You bother me and my clones again and well I'll set the GrimReaper on you

[Perfect Stu]

I'd love to say some memorable speech that will bring everyone to tears, but what what that proove? That I'm loyal to GameTavern? I think I've prooved that already. That we should all give a damn? Everyone better know that already or you shouldn't be here.

I think a few of us are taking this a little too seriously. Like you're changing religions or something. Calm down. Take a deep breath. If you still think GameTavern is a craphole then leave, for goodness sake. Certainly I would rather have people here to talk to that actually want to be here. If you have a good reason to go, or even if you don't, I don't care. Good riddance. You're not hurting me in any way whatsoever. But remember a few things: Why is your post count so high? What has given you the incentive to make such meaningful posts? What made you give a damn? Once you know what that very thing is, you'll know exactly what to do.

GameTavern migration? Tell me something that means something to me. Like what GameTavern will be without you. If you can put that into words, I'd be surprised.

[LoudHowardZERO]

Have you not learned!?!? They never really leave. We just don't see them post for a month, then they come back begging ;)

Just look at Shooter!

[Jason1]

I cant help but feel a tiny bit responsible, with the who hates Jason1 Threads...But I didnt start all those hatred threads, now did I?

[fingersman]

Bye Fox. *sniff*


Oh welll you gotta do what you gotta do.
I could give a long post eductional post about this but ...nawwwwww. :p

[C.H]

Well, it's a shame your leaving Shadow Fox, you've always been one of my favorite members.

But like someone else said "YOU'LL BE BACK!!"

[marionette]

Originally posted by Shadow Fox


To the few members that actually respected me somewhat: (Bluefire, Marionette), carry out my "ninja-ing" and whatnot.


no i dont respect you somewhat. i respect you fully..or whatever you wanna call it. its a shame to see you go, but no one can stop you, and i'm not going to try. i'll just see you around nindose (if i remember to go ;) ) and on aim.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally posted by Jason1
I cant help but feel a tiny bit responsible, with the who hates Jason1 Threads...But I didnt start all those hatred threads, now did I?

Quiet you.

As for everyone else, stop being losers. It's a site on the internet, you don't like it, whoopty doo go to another site. Jesus christ it's not as if it means anything. The last time I saw a bigger group of losers was Sweden's Women's Olympics hockey team.

[GameMaster]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo


Quiet you.

As for everyone else, stop being losers. It's a site on the internet, you don't like it, whoopty doo go to another site. Jesus christ it's not as if it means anything. The last time I saw a bigger group of losers was Sweden's Women's Olympics hockey team.

:rolleyes:

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally posted by Gamemaster2002


:rolleyes:

Are you rolling your eyes because you've realized how stupid some of you sound or what?

[GameMaster]

Forget it Chris, just forget it.

[One Winged Angel]

Damnit... Advancegb is full of newbies and this place is full of suicidals...where the hell can I go:(

[GameMaster]

Originally posted by NeonNightCloud
Damnit... Advancegb is full of newbies and this place is full of suicidals...where the hell can I go:(

With your fellow newbies ;)

[One Winged Angel]

Originally posted by Gamemaster2002


With your fellow newbies ;)

WTF is that supposed to mean... makes no sense.

Anyways I was here for a while at the beginning, then left you guys.

[Revival]

Don't mind gamemaster..

You're welcome here. Keep posting and soon enough, you won't be concidered a newbie.

[One Winged Angel]

God... the biggest newbies are the ones that keep calling the newcomer newbies.:rolleyes:

[Drunk Hobbit]

Originally posted by NeonNightCloud
God... the biggest newbies are the ones that keep calling the newcomer newbies.:rolleyes:

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[GameMaster]

Apparently my fun-loving, light hearted, joking smily wasn't seen

;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

I was just being a fun loving sport! Sorry for violating you.

[Old Skool]

Originally posted by GameKinG
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Come back shadow! Come back!


Damn I'm with you on that one. I'm away for two weeks only to come back to find shadow has left the forums. GT really has lost it's ninja.


C'ya Shadow Fox ...................... And keep it real.