Updated Console Worldwide Sales Numbers

[Bond]

Thanks to the new EGM issue (as of 3/31/03):

Playstation 2: 51.2 million consoles sold worldwide
Xbox: 13 million consoles sold worldwide
GameCube: 9.4 million consoles sold worldwide

I told you Xbox was number two worldwide, but no....

[gekko]

That's because console sales numbers are rarely, if ever, accurate, and even less accurate when it comes to worldwide numbers.

[Stonecutter]

That's because console sales numbers are rarely, if ever, accurate, and even less accurate when it comes to worldwide numbers.
Or just maybe it's because nintendo is in third :o

[Jonbo298]

Why are people still buying PS2's? (This is not a fanboy question, its just a simple question). I swear every Japanese Kid and Parent has to own one by now. If not at least 2.

[GameKinG]

Those look pretty wrong to me. Since GC had 9.4 at the end of their second fiscal year for cube (ends march 2003). And at that point, I think cube was second world wide. So, unless their sales froze for3 months, and MS had a huge jump in the slowest season of the year, something is fishy about those numbers.

[Perfect Stu]

Why are people still buying PS2's? (This is not a fanboy question, its just a simple question). I swear every Japanese Kid and Parent has to own one by now. If not at least 2.

PS2s are still selling because people are ignorant and have no defense against the Sony Hype Machine. It has nothing to do with the games, it's all about the subliminal messages Sony is sending everyone. I can hear it now..."If you want to be cool, you must buy a PS2"...but you're a stronger man than I am, Jonbo...you won't buy into it. Fight the power. :drum:

[Rndm_Perfection]

PS2s are still selling because people are ignorant and have no defense against the Sony Hype Machine. It has nothing to do with the games, it's all about the subliminal messages Sony is sending everyone. I can hear it now..."If you want to be cool, you must buy a PS2"...but you're a stronger man than I am, Jonbo...you won't buy into it. Fight the power. :drum:

+1 rep.

I wonder what the library for each system consists of. That is, number of games... number of "good" games, and number of games sold. PS2 has the PSX (PS1) games. I find that reason enough to merit purchase. *polishes his PS2*.

[Stonecutter]

Those look pretty wrong to me. Since GC had 9.4 at the end of their second fiscal year for cube (ends march 2003). And at that point, I think cube was second world wide. So, unless their sales froze for3 months, and MS had a huge jump in the slowest season of the year, something is fishy about those numbers.

:sneaky: :fanboy:

Thanks to the new EGM issue (as of 3/31/03)

Sombody want to post the damage control pic?

[gekko]

Those look pretty wrong to me. Since GC had 9.4 at the end of their second fiscal year for cube (ends march 2003). And at that point, I think cube was second world wide. So, unless their sales froze for3 months, and MS had a huge jump in the slowest season of the year, something is fishy about those numbers.

And in January, Microsoft was expecting to have 9 million sold worldwide by the end of June, and they got it in a couple months.

But I go back to what I said earlier.

[Jonbo298]

PS2s are still selling because people are ignorant and have no defense against the Sony Hype Machine. It has nothing to do with the games, it's all about the subliminal messages Sony is sending everyone. I can hear it now..."If you want to be cool, you must buy a PS2"...but you're a stronger man than I am, Jonbo...you won't buy into it. Fight the power. :drum:

I think this is the first time Stu hasn't said anything "loud" to me.:eek: (I cant think of a better word for standing so strongly for Sony)
*Decides to give +1 rep just for that.*
*wonders if Stu talked like that just for it:hmm:*

[Rndm_Perfection]

I think this is the first time Stu hasn't said anything "loud" to me.:eek: (I cant think of a better word for standing so strongly for Sony)
*Decides to give +1 rep just for that.*
*wonders if Stu talked like that just for it:hmm:*

Did you just give rep for sarcasm that you didn't see through?

[Jonbo298]

Did you just give rep for sarcasm that you didn't see through?

I could tell he was being sarcastic. And I thought it was pretty good. Gotta give some rep just because I feel like it.

[bobcat]

I could tell he was being sarcastic. And I thought it was pretty good. Gotta give some rep just because I feel like it.
What about Joeiss? Does he get any rep?

[Jonbo298]

What about Joeiss? Does he get any rep?

*Looks hard to find where Joeiss replied* Looks like I don't see one. Plus, it must be funny in some way.:rolleyes:

[Joeiss]

I believe bobcat was referring to my past sarcastic replies in other threads!


Dumbass. <----- sarcasm

[TheGame]

:lol: nice one Stu...

Anyway, I think GCN and Xbox are both getting thier asses handed to them, so it doesn't matter who is in second place :p

I have noticed more and more people getting Xbox's lately, did it have any type of sales jump in the last 3 months?

[Shadow Fox]

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

Now, I for one (knowing MS's aggressive PR) NEVER heard a peep of MS claiming otherwise, even at E3 after NCL threw their "we're number 2" chants. Ed Fries WOULD NOT let this carry on if it were false, IMO.

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Relevant links:

Nintendo's numbers (http://cube.ign.com/articles/409/409828p1.html)
Microsoft's numbers (fiscal failure) (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-886556.html )
Microsoft's numbers (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-982911.html)

Please think about this; I've already contacted EGM about this potential error.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Xantar]

Hopefully, this isn't another instance of sales being counted only for the fiscal year for Nintendo but being counted for the entire console lifespan for Microsoft as was done with the Bloomberg numbers a while ago. I still don't know how or why that happened unless some Bloomberg analyst has a vendetta against Nintendo.

I don't think that's what happened here, but it's something to keep in mind.

[Dyne]

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

Now, I for one (knowing MS's aggressive PR) NEVER heard a peep of MS claiming otherwise, even at E3 after NCL threw their "we're number 2" chants. Ed Fries WOULD NOT let this carry on if it were false, IMO.

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Relevant links:

Nintendo's numbers (http://cube.ign.com/articles/409/409828p1.html)
Microsoft's numbers (fiscal failure) (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-886556.html )
Microsoft's numbers (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-982911.html)

Please think about this; I've already contacted EGM about this potential error.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...



http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5189

I don't see it either, were there any big-budget titles this year? Not really... Brute Force, RCTW, uhh, DOAX? Did DOAX sell two or three million on DOAX? Meanwhile, Gamecube sales were sloppy because of Zelda?

I smell BS. **** EGM for controversy, that's exactly why I never read them.

[Bond]

Hold on here Dyne.

When Mr. Heyyoudvd says GameCube is beating Xbox in worldwide sales numbers you say:

"AHA BOND! YOOOUUU LOOOSSEE!!! I TOLD YOU GCN WAS SECOND WORDLWIDE.

:p"

But when EGM says Xbox is beating GameCube in worldside sales numbers you say:

"I smell BS. **** EGM for controversy, that's exactly why I never read them."

Personally, I think it is impossible to gage worldwide sales of anything. So I will patentily wait until the generation is over and see. But I would believe EGM over Mr. Heyyoudvd.

[Dyne]

So, I say, it's right, Gamecube is second! But when EGM says something drastically different a few months later, like along the lines of millions of consoles, and I explain myself that there's no real titles to sell for, I say, BULL****! I see, Zelda was released March 26th, correct? A few days to sell, and they posed a number at the end of that month. Now, can you tell me, did Nintendo honestly only sell .1 million consoles within the whole time? Zelda was still on the charts at that time.

Look, I'm not rooting for Gamecube, I'm not rooting for Xbox, I'm not rooting for PS2, I'm rooting for people to shut up about it.

[TheGame]

You seem to find reasons to defend GCN... but can't find any to defend Xbox. I'm not saying you are biased or anything, for all I know you could just be in the mood for it now, but not back then.

When Xbox is ahead you question the numbers, when GCN is ahead there are no questions asked.

I have to go with Bond on this one, sales for right now can always be disputed. We need to wait until the end of the generation and see what happens. For now only one thing is certain, Ps2 is owning.

PS, also, as a side topic, why do you think Zelda would have bumped up console sales? I mean, people who already own the system could be getting the game... and if a hardcore Zelda (Oot) fan hasn't got a cube by now, do you really think the childish Zelda looked appealing enough to sway them?

[Professor S]

IMO hardcore Zelda fans and hardcore Nintendo fans are one and the same. I really don't think Zelda pushed many consoles after its release because most Nintendo/Zelda fans would have already bought the system in anticipation of the release.

But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong...

As for the debate, I don't know numbers but I do pay attention to the world around me and I just see the XBox pulling ahead if just in public opinion. Its more mainstream and is referenced on popular TV and in the media more. I also think it is a lot more popuar in urban areas. We have an office in what could be considered an urban area (to be polite) of Philadelphia and all they talk about is XBox.

As for the increased mainstream media attention and how it affects you... I own a Gamecube and I haven't touched it since I rented Wind Waker. The XBox just draws my friends and I to it for some reason (possibly the better multiplayer games or just the sheer SIZE of it:D )

[Stonecutter]

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.




Can't you dumbasses read?

Or are you just afraid to admit that the cube is in 3rd?


As was posted in bond's innitial post.

And as I pointed out in my previous post.


THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM MARCH!

Yes 9.5 (9.4, nintendo might have just rounded up) IN MARCH!

[Shadow Fox]

Gotta love the advantages of meddling with .php to avoid otherwise annoying posts...;)THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM MARCH!

Yes 9.5 (9.4, nintendo might have just rounded up) IN MARCH!Yes, those numbers are from March, and we are well aware that Nintendo has sold their 11 millionth console by now.

My question to you (and Bond, and EGM) is, where the hell is this 13 million number coming from for Xbox? Every site I've seen regarding this has been saying 8 million plus, IN MARCH:

"As of early March Microsoft said it had shipped more than 8 million units worldwide since its launch in the autumn of 2001."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030410/80/dxi5p.html

"Friedman, Billings, Ramsey analyst Eric Rothdeutsch said in a report that Microsoft's Xbox sales are a disappointment. Microsoft has sold about 8 million Xbox consoles since the system's introduction in November 2001, and about 1 million units will ship through the end of June, he said."

http://rss.com.com/2100-1006-983593.html

"Microsoft projects that by the end of June, it will have sold 9 million Xbox consoles worldwide since the November 2001 launch."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/13/tech/main553697.shtml

I've seen not one single shred of proof that Xbox has indeed sold 13 million consoles. And interestingly enough, the cited links here relate to Xbox's 9 million projection as if it hadn't sold that much yet, all dating from April, to even late May. If the console is still "expecting" to sell 9 million in June via a MAY report, how did it sell 13 million in March? Enlighten me here; preferably with a valid link or two.As for the debate, I don't know numbers but I do pay attention to the world around me and I just see the XBox pulling ahead if just in public opinion.Stangler, all regions are not the same (like the UK, where Xbox needed EXTREME pricecuts to even compete with Nintendo in the latter half of 2k2, or Japan, where the Panasonic Q is outselling Xbox). Just because in ONE region Xbox "appears" more popular, doesn't guarantee or even give a hint as to what the actual numbers are.

There is more than just the US to account for here, and until data emerges, GCN is indeed leading Xbox worldwide by some million and a half units, as it has been for the past year or so.

P.S. Stonecutter, there's no need for flaming and namecalling. If you want to show your ignorance- fine; but if you actually want to get your point across, you'll need to act mature if you want a decent discussion.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Null]

Game hit it right on the nose....

Both GCN and Xbox are getting thier ass's handed to them.

Yet everyone here still argues about 2nd place. 2nd place might as well be grouped in a catagory along with 3rd called.... LOSING.

i mean. PS2 only came out a year sooner.... yet even GCN sales + Xbox sales dont even come close to competeing with PS2 Sales.

Argueing about who is 2nd is a pointless thing, neither company cares about being 2nd. its not #1 and thats all they notice.

[TheGame]

"I've seen not one single shred of proof that Xbox has indeed sold 13 million consoles."

That's the problem with these numbers, there isn't evidence to prove anything. Either you accept what they say, or you don't. Sales numbers can always be screwed wih, exagerated, fixed, or anything.

Nobody, including MS, Sony, and Nintendo, know exacty how many consoles they sold to this point... The only thing they can know for a fact is how many they shipped. Maybe the postd the shipped number as the sales or somthing who knows.

Argueing over how valid numbers are is kinda pointless... Looking at his home town, Strangler imagines that Xbox may be doing better, that's why he accepts them. You probably look at other charts and it doesn't add up, that's why you don't accept it.

Nobody is wrong here, you just chose to believe somhing different. Just like I chose to believe that there is no way to track every sale in every city, and on every web site in the whole world...

[Bond]

I can't tell you where EGM got these numbers. But I trust that EGM does not purposely make up numbers to piss off people. If this is a mistake then I'm sure they will correct it. But we'll see. It just seems as though whenever the GameCube is ahead no one questions it. But perhaps when then Xbox is ahead people doubt it. I understand this contradicts information released before. But who is to say this information isn't every bit as valid as the next?

I do trust EGM over IGN and Gamespot, but that is just my opinion. We shall see.

"Personally, I think it is impossible to gage worldwide sales of anything. So I will patentily wait until the generation is over and see."

[Shadow Fox]

Damn, Bond; you went from saying this:I told you Xbox was number two worldwide, but no....To quoting this:"Personally, I think it is impossible to gage worldwide sales of anything. So I will patentily wait until the generation is over and see." :rolleyes:

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Xantar]

It just seems as though whenever the GameCube is ahead no one questions it. But perhaps when then Xbox is ahead people doubt it. I understand this contradicts information released before. But who is to say this information isn't every bit as valid as the next?


So the majority of GameTavern members are Nintendo fans. Surely this isn't a surprise to you. And as Nintendo fans, they are naturally going to be more accepting of good news for the GameCube. Perhaps that's a bad thing, but what do you expect? The posters here are human. If bad news about the Xbox came out, you can't reasonably expect them to try dissecting that news with as much energy as they would attack bad news about the GameCube. It just doesn't work that way unless everybody becomes some sort of enlightened fan of every console equally.

Instead of complaining about a well known bias, why not just try to counteract it? So people raise arguments against these numbers. Argue that these people are wrong. That's what a forum is for. And if you can't make a solid counter-argument, then perhaps these people who are skeptical of EGM's numbers are right.

[Stonecutter]

My question to you (and Bond, and EGM) is, where the hell is this 13 million number coming from for Xbox? Every site I've seen regarding this has been saying 8 million plus, IN MARCH:


Oh, so now that's your "question" now that you realize you made a mistake.

Let me remind you of your original STATEMENT


this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

NO, they DID NOT LIE. They said that nintendo had sold 9.5 million in march.

You also said.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Not once.

NOT ONCE did I dispute the fact that the xbox numbers may be inaccurate.

ALMOST EVERYONE who mentioned the nintendo numbers said that "Nintendo had sold 9.5 through march" some people even said something to the effect of "You mean to tell me they haven't sold any cubes in the last three months"

These people (including yourself as is evident in the post of yours that I originally quoted) were ignorant to the fact that the numbers posted were from March.

Just because YOU DIDN'T READ THE POST WELL ENOUGH doesn't give you the right to change your point. In your original post you never acknowledged the fact that those numbers were from March.


P.S. Stonecutter, there's no need for flaming and namecalling. If you want to show your ignorance- fine; but if you actually want to get your point across, you'll need to act mature if you want a decent discussion.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...


You think I'm ignorant, fine you wouldn't be the first person on the internet to think that, you can try and be condescending, try and put me down. It doesn't bother me, I don't feel the need to go to any extremes to prove my intelligence to you or to anyone else on this board. The people on this board that know me don't need any further proof of my intelligence. You, on the other hand, ran headfirst into your post without reading the other posts. That is something which is markedly, and undeniably ignorant, and you, in your attempt to embarrass me, just proved your ignorance to the whole board.

Remember, you responded to me, which tells me I got my point across just fine.

Thanks for playing!

EDIT: SPELLING, so the ****ing vultures don't have any easy meat to go after.

[TheGame]

:)

[b]Instead of complaining about a well known bias, why not just try to counteract it? So people raise arguments against these numbers. Argue that these people are wrong. That's what a forum is for. And if you can't make a solid counter-argument, then perhaps these people who are skeptical of EGM's numbers are right.

lol... that's the problem, there is no arguement. Bond's case is "EGM said" and Shadow Fox's case is "Nintendo/Microsoft said" and my case is, EGM doesn't know, and Nintendo/MS doesn't know...

The only thing I would give Nintendo and MS the benifit of the doubt it is consoles shipped, but sales...hell no. Hell, I think Ps2's numbers may even be exagerated... I think all the numbers EGM posted are right, give or take 3 million sales. Just like I think MS and Nintendo's numbers may be in the leauge, give or take 3 million.

As far as I know they might as well be tied for 2nd place with no chance in hell of achieving first place.

[Shadow Fox]

Oh, so now that's your "question" now that you realize you made a mistake.No mistakes here, but please, continue...NO, they DID NOT LIE. They said that nintendo had sold 9.5 million in march.Maybe you're not paying attention to my STATEMENT, which specificially stated Nintendo's claim of #2 (at only 10 million units) @ E3 (i.e. mere weeks ago)- which would be a LIE, or impossible if Microsoft indeed sold 13 million IN MARCH.

See that now? Good.NOT ONCE did I dispute the fact that the xbox numbers may be inaccurate.OK, then who said this:

"Or are you just afraid to admit that the cube is in 3rd?"

Why would I "admit" anything that isn't true right now?ALMOST EVERYONE who mentioned the nintendo numbers said that "Nintendo had sold 9.5 through march" some people even said something to the effect of "You mean to tell me they haven't sold any cubes in the last three months"

These people (including yourself as is evident in the post of yours that I originally quoted) were ignorant to the fact that the numbers posted were from March.What the hell are you on about?

First of all, I knew of this issue before the thread was created, since I do have the actual EGM with the "error" in question (recall Sonic Heroes on the cover, and other post-E3 garbage)- therefore I knew WHEN and WHAT month these numbers are from.

And I'll ask this question AGAIN, since you can't grasp it:

How in the HELL is Nintendo or Microsoft not LYING if Nintendo claimed number #2 at 10-11 million 3 weeks ago, but MS surpassed this 3 MONTHS ago?

Nintendo claiming #2 at E3 with 10-11 million compared to Xbox's 13 million +...

That add up to you? Hell no; and this is my point.

Either way, this "tidbit" in EGM is VERY contradictary to either Nintendo or MS's previous (and current) claims, and also has no substance (since no resource available, at least to me, lists 13 million in March).Just because YOU DIDN'T READ THE POST WELL ENOUGH doesn't give you the right to change your point.I'm saying the same thing I've been saying all along; read my first post again ("WELL ENOUGH", even), and you will see.In your original post you never acknowledged the fact that those numbers were from March.Oh my damn- did you read only bits of my post, or the whole thing? If you read the entirety, you wouldn't have missed this:

"Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March."

Clearly pointing at the error in the 'zine (it lists 9.4 million instead, followed by 20 GBA linkup titles).

You are forgiven.You think I'm ignorantIf you can't understand my point and read my post correctly this time, then that will no longer be a thought; that's for sure.fine you wouldn't be the first person on the internet to think thatI wouldn't be the first person in this thread to think that, either.you can try and be condescending, try and put me down.Or, I can break it down to you Barney style, as I did above. If you don't understand then, you're making an effort to not know.

In other words, I'm not like you and your "dumbass" and "can't read" remarks...and I'm condescending? Practice what you preach, sc.It doesn't bother me, I don't feel the need to go to any extremes to prove my intelligence to you or to anyone else on this board.I believe you; the aimless rant quoted here proves just that...You, on the other hand, ran headfirst into your post without reading the other posts.Thank you SO MUCH for ASSUMING so much, without:

A. Actually being in the same room as me to see that I actually DID read the entire thread before posting

B. Seeing me do a quick reply or quote without thinking

But since you declared that as FACT, with no shred of proof, that means what exactly?That is something which is markedly, and undeniably ignorant, and you, in your attempt to embarrass me, just proved your ignorance to the whole board.Looking at your assumption that I "didn't know about when the numbers were from", I'd love to think otherwise. Funny how message boards and opinons work, eh?Remember, you responded to me, which tells me I got my point across just fine.The sad part is, even though I understand now that you somehow mistook me as a "dumbass" who "can't read" since you THOUGHT I didn't know the numbers were from March (which is what makes them false in the first place, btw), I still saw no real point here. Are you, or are you not saying 13 million is real? Are you agreeing that the numbers were 13 in March (since I can't "admit GC is in 3rd"), meaning that Nintendo is lying about being in second, just weeks ago at E3 with lower than that supposed number of sales?

Or are you saying that somehow, magically even, MS sold 13 million in March, subtracted 5 million, and reissued a statement saying they are looking forward to their 9-10 millionth unit three months later?

Or even better, Nintendo with 10-11 right now, is claiming #2 globally though MS must have 14-15 million now since they sold 13 three months ago. Do you agree here that Nintendo isn't lying then, if they claim #2 with 10-11 million right NOW, if Xbox did 2 million better three months ago?Thanks for playing!Maybe you're the only one "playing here". Or perhaps you're a gameshow host of some kind?:rolleyes:

Read my post and my point again. It's all good folk.;)

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Stonecutter]

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.



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this basically says that Nintendo lied

NO IT DOESN'T

This says that nintendo sold 9.4 units through march. You want to dispute the 100,000 units fine. I don't care you win that one.

You are saying that EGM is calling Nintendo cooperate a bunch of liars, which it does not do.

It says that there are roughly 9 and one half million gamecubes sold worldwide through the end of march.

and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now

No one is disputing that fact. Not even EGM.

EGM is giving you the numbers from march. The xbox numbers may be wrong. The nintendo numbers are correct, give or take 100,000.

There's also this wonderful nugget.


Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

That alone proves you didn't read it. you thought that EGM was saying nintendo had 9.4 million in may and that it had lost 100,000 from march (because you know that the number was 9.5 in march) and that xbox which was at 8.3 million sold in march gained 5 million from march to may (two months.) You thought they meant May. They didn't.

You didn't read it.

[Stonecutter]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20030515/sce105.jpg

Interesting.

[Shadow Fox]

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LYINGStop being so thick, and listen to what I'm saying. No one said EGM specifically stated Nintendo or MS was lying- the fact of what was announced at E3 (Nintendo being number 2) does.NO IT DOESN'T

This says that nintendo sold 9.4 units through march. You want to dispute the 100,000 units fine. I don't care you win that one.

You are saying that EGM is calling Nintendo cooperate a bunch of liars, which it does not do.

It says that there are roughly 9 and one half million gamecubes sold worldwide through the end of march.And I ASK YOU AGAIN (like I have since my first post in this thread)- how in the HELL can Nintendo claim #2 at 10-11 million units, then, if Xbox sold more in March, ACCORDING TO EGM?

Nintendo specifically stated "they are clearly number 2" globally at E3, only having sold 10-11 million. How is this so, if EGM claims they haven't passed MS's 13 million from 3 months ago?

Or, to make it clearer to you: Is 9.5 or 9.4 MORE than 13?

If not, then EGM's article directly contradicts Nintendo's words at E3. MS also did NOT deny "Nintendo being clearly number 2" globally at E3. Did you not see or hear about ANY of the keynotes other than Sony's?That alone proves you didn't read it. you thought that EGM was saying nintendo had 9.4 million in mayNo, I wasn't. Please READ my post, that SPECIFICALLY STATES I KNOW these numbers are "supposed" to be from March. What I "thought" was that EGM's "March" numbers are wrong, since there are later reports (from April to May, in the LINKS I gave a page ago (did you read them?), that state Xbox has having only EIGHT MILLION units globally in APRIL AND LATE MAY- a FAR CRY away from EGM's THIRTEEN in MARCH.

NINTENDO THEMSELVES (at their keynote) specifically said they had 10-11 million in MAY- NOT EGM. At the same time, they are claiming this to put them in a CLEAR #2 position globally. This also directly contradicts what EGM is saying (that Nintendo would have to surpass at least Xbox's 13 from March to be #2 globally). Understand?

Damn, Bond understood this off the rip; why can't you?and that it had lost 100,000 from march (because you know that the number was 9.5 in march) and that xbox which was at 8.3 million sold in march gained 5 million from march to may (two months.) You thought they meant May. They didn't.Did you read ANY of the links I gave in my first and second post here? They are links that prove MS sold 8.3 AFTER the time EGM claims (March), directly contradicting the article.

I am NOT thinking MS went from 8.3 in March to 13 in May, I'm thinking MS went from 13 in March to 8.3 in May, which is impossible if you look at what EGM's trying to say (13 in March) to what other sites say (8 in March, 8.3 in April, May), and MS themselves expecting to sell 9 millionth by June from a statement in May).You didn't read it.I read, reread, and reread the article, as I stated before, long before this thread was created. The article says MS sold 13 Million consoles in March, which is hogwash compared to what they're saying NOW (MS is selling LESS than 13 NOW).

This is obviously a typo; and I think you'll see why in the quote of your next post.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Null]

Actually that picture is quite interesting.

that there is an actual source. if thoes numbers are the exact ones in the EGM, you now know where EGM got them from.

Which also could make Games exageration theory a little more likely. :p

[Shadow Fox]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20030515/sce105.jpg

Interesting.And this proves my point all the more. The screen you just posted lists MS EXPECTING (not actual) to sell 13 million (which is still much more than MS stated right after E3 as expecting to sell 9 in June) in JUNE, not March. This pic even directly contradicts EGM (saying that MS SOLD 13 million in MARCH, three months ago).

The comparison, if stated by all March numbers (from the links I gave), would be:

-Sony at 51 million
-Nintendo at 9.4/9.5 million
-Microsoft at 8 million

Instead this pic is also very inaccurate, showing:

-Sony worldwide shipments from March
-Microsoft EXPECTATIONS for JUNE
-Nintendo worldwide shipments from March

Why exactly, did Sony go this far to attempt to show Xbox at #2 from expectations that aren't consistant with what's been reported AFTER E3 (MS expecting 9 million in JUNE, NOT 13)?

That's a good question, but either way, look at that EGM article if you have it. Notice they say MS already SOLD (past tense) 13 million in MARCH. Look at the pic YOU POSTED. Note that it says MS EXPECTS to sell 13 million by JUNE.

So which one is it? Did MS sell 13 in March, or does it expect to sell this in June, according to your two sources (since you obviously didn't read mine). Then once you get over that, then you can read the articles I posted a page ago that add even more contradiction.

Please pay attention, and read posts thoroughly next time.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Shadow Fox]

Actually that picture is quite interesting.

that there is an actual source. if thoes numbers are the exact ones in the EGM, you now know where EGM got them from.They aren't the EXACT numbers from EGM, but I believe that's where they got them. This is the typo I'm talking about; EGM must have (since they enjoyed the Sony display so much) mistaken "13 million by June" with "13 million in March", which are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

Also, these numbers aren't any more a real source than the links I've posted of Reuters, CNBC, etc claiming MS sold significantly less from combined data (TRSTS, Charttrack, Dengeki, etc). These numbers have all been confirmed BEFORE this powerpoint chart (except MS's 13) far back in March; Sony's press conference display does not make it new, nor does it make it any more accurate.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Null]

What i meant is thoes are the exact numbers EGM put in. but EGM put them in the wrong context.


51.2, 13, 9.4 are the same numbers.


But you are abosutly right. and i missed that when i first looked at his pic there. That picture he posted speaks volumes. 13 by june.

why on earth they would say by june for xbox and not GC or ps2 is beyond me.
whether they really want Xbox to be seen as number 2 or they couldnt get an exact number so they put expectations down instead. i dunno.

very interesting tho.
(still stand by my statment tho that 2 and 3 dont matter. they still not #1 :p )

[Xantar]

But you are abosutly right. and i missed that when i first looked at his pic there. That picture he posted speaks volumes. 13 by june.

why on earth they would say by june for xbox and not GC or ps2 is beyond me.
whether they really want Xbox to be seen as number 2 or they couldnt get an exact number so they put expectations down instead. i dunno.


As I suggested earlier, it might have something to do with fiscal years. I know Nintendo's fiscal year ends in March. Therefore, they would tell us the number of consoles sold every time March comes around but wouldn't necessarily say anything during the other 11 months (although of course they will report holiday sales data).

By the same token, it could be that Microsoft's fiscal year ends in June. Thus, they wouldn't tell us how sales are coming along right now but instead talk about expectations for June.

Remember, up until October or so last year, Nintendo never talked about how many consoles they sold but how many they expected to sell by March. There were a lot of stories about how they were downgrading their estimates, as I recall.

Of course, this all depends on Microsoft's fiscal year actually ending in June which we don't know. And I'm too lazy to go find out. :p

[Perfect Stu]

Why exactly, did Sony go this far to attempt to show Xbox at #2

I think Sony just displayed information that they were given. Maybe they went to Microsoft and asked them what their worldwide shipment numbers were...and MS gave them that. Who knows?

But what I'm puzzled about is how or why you people are arguing to the death about all of this...Does it matter to you THAT much as to which game console is in 2nd place?

[TheGame]

But what I'm puzzled about is how or why you people are arguing to the death about all of this...Does it matter to you THAT much as to which game console is in 2nd place?

Yes... because it's ShadowFox's purpose in life to prove that GCN is superior to Xbox in every way. ;)

[TheGame]

Why exactly, did Sony go this far to attempt to show Xbox at #2 from expectations that aren't consistant with what's been reported AFTER E3 (MS expecting 9 million in JUNE, NOT 13)?

Look in the lower right hand corner of the pic, if anybody is exagerating, it's Microsoft, not Sony.

[Null]

Yes... because it's ShadowFox's purpose in life to prove that GCN is superior to Xbox in every way. ;)


as the opposite is true for certain others.

(MS fans... We're number 2 hurrah!)
(Nintendo fans... No, We're Number 2 hurrah hurrah!!)




(Sony fans... ... ........... hahahahaha !)


Every time one of these threads are started. its either a MS or Nintendo fan trying to show thier better then the opposite, never seems to be a Sony fan starting them up.

[Joeiss]

Because we're number 1! oh yeah...

[One Winged Angel]

That is such utter bull****. The 9.5 million Gamecube sold was from last March. The XBox consoles it has said sold 13 million BY JUNE.

So basically they game Nintendo the unfair advantage in these polls.

[BreakABone]

This reminds me of that one time in band camp :dj:

I've never actually seen the appeal in sales number, the only real time I bother with them is when companys try something to peak sales to see if it works or not. Other than that, what's the point?

[Stonecutter]

You are so full of $hit it is coming out of your ears

I'm going to break this down real fine for everyone.



Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally... in two months.



Of course nintendo could have gained 500k - 1.5 million from march to may. Had you have known that the numbers were from march, there would be no reason to make that statement. But because you just had to go and attack egm for DARING to suggest that your beloved nintendo just might be in third place you ran into the situation head long, you stupid fanboy.

Nowhere in your post did you recognize the fact that the numbers, in EGM, were from March.

You did not read that, and because you didn't you're a dumbass. That's is the only thing I've been trying to prove since I've started talking to you in this thread. I could really care less where the xbox stands in relation to the cube because I own both. But when cube fanboys, (or any fanboys) and going further than that dumbass cube fanboys, feel the need to spread your propaganda of the insecure around, you piss a lot of people off.

You also took far more offense (a lot) to my post than anyone else (none) which was completely unwarranted.


YOU DID NOT RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THOSE NUMBERS WERE FROM MARCH.


Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

And I told you that those numbers were from march. You didn't know it at the time, but now you're twisting your original statement.

Maybe you would just admit that you didn't read the original post and that you were just being a total moronic fanboy, but chances are you won't.

Such is the nature of the fanboy, but you're also a dumbass, who doesn't know when he's beaten.

I look forward to watching you attempt to writhe your way out of this one.

Or, perhaps, like the cockroach who has been exposed to the light, you will scatter, back to your hole.

[Shadow Fox]

Of course nintendo could have gained 500k - 1.5 million from march to may. Had you have known that the numbers were from march, there would be no reason to make that statement. But because you just had to go and attack egm for DARING to suggest that your beloved nintendo just might be in third place you ran into the situation head long, you stupid fanboy.Either your are VERY BAD at math, or you're just fine and dandy with looking completely moronic here.

You just quoted me for saying Nintendo lost 100k in 2 months, according to EGM. Then I guess you're right- Nintendo instead lost 100k in THE SAME DAY (since EGM claims 100k is missing at 9.4, while the LINKS I POSTED proved 9.5 million on the same day (3/31).Nowhere in your post did you recognize the fact that the numbers, in EGM, were from March.And I didn't have to, since that's a given. Didn't I TELL you I've read the article before this thread was created, and emailed EGM about it (both for Nintendo's numbers being 9.5 instead of 9.4 in March, as well as MS being 8.3 in March instead of 13)?

But anyways, I spoke on this lightly in my first post- you just didn't read it (or didn't want to, since it completely voids your entire attempts of denouncing me in any way).

That's what I said in my original post here. I suggest you read it AGAIN, instead of trying to ASSUME I misread ANYTHING, especially if you can't prove it.You did not read that, and because you didn't you're a dumbass. That's is the only thing I've been trying to prove since I've started talking to you in this thread.Read above; your "proving" is pointless, as I've read, and have known the numbers from EGM were from March (as I've stated countless times in this thread now). If you don't see them littered about, then good for you- you're officially blind.I could really care less where the xbox stands in relation to the cube because I own both.And since I care about the TRUTH being displayed (the numbers being VERY CONTRADICTORY), and owning PS2, GCN, and Xbox, that makes me worse somehow? I doubt it.But when cube fanboys, (or any fanboys) and going further than that dumbass cube fanboys, feel the need to spread your propaganda of the insecure around, you piss a lot of people off.Ladies and Gentlemen, the worst fanboy of all- the anti-logic fanboy...

And telling the truth is propaganda now? I've never seen "truth" and "propaganda" anywhere related in any thesaurus to-date, but I'm sure you'll come up with proof of that, right?;)You also took far more offense (a lot) to my post than anyone else (none) which was completely unwarranted.And this is your REAL point of your post; that someone busted your ass by telling the truth (and actually spoke on being called a "dumbass"), you feel that you have to mix it up with me, somehow.

Point being, EGM's numbers (even according to your pic you posted), ARE NOT from March (even though EGM stated so, which is a typo; also stated in my original post that you missread). I wasn't thinking MS went from 8.3 to 13 at any point in time, nor did I ever deem a mag that admits constant mistakes every issue's contents as the word of God. You are incorrect on these things, and if you want to be right, then find some proof.

I've posted countless amounts of proof (in the form of links) that MS and EGM's estimates are very contradictory to earlier and recent claims in terms of console sales. Surely you can do the same in a logical manner, instead of having a pissy attitude and whinning about how you THINK I missread something.

And I told you that those numbers were from march.YOU didn't say anything to me before I made my first post, now did you? "March" is stated in my first post here, so how could you tell me anything, or think that I missread it if I posted it in the first damn place?You didn't know it at the time, but now you're twisting your original statement.Like I said, find some proof. My first post was talking about March (in my post saying that Nintendo's numbers were 9.5 in March, and NOT 9.4 like EGM claims). Stop being so damn thick and read for once.Maybe you would just admit that you didn't read the original postThe original post was from Bond (since he started the thread), and not YOU. Your original post was a quote of Gekko, who was mentioning the same inconsistencies that I proved with links in EGM's "numbers". All you did then was say that we were "dumbasses" and "can't read", while you missread our posts in the first place, which was talking about Nintendo CLAIMING #2 back then in March, as well as at E3- directly contradicting 13 million for Xbox in that timespan, if it were true.

YOU were the one missreading in the first place here, not anyone else.and that you were just being a total moronic fanboy, but chances are you won't.Will you admit that you are idiotic for not seeing what Bond and everyone else here has noticed (i.e. Nintendo and MS's numbers are not accurate in the mag), and that I've posted ABOUT EGM's MARCH numbers (and their contradiction) in my FIRST POST in this thread?Such is the nature of the fanboy, but you're also a dumbass, who doesn't know when he's beaten.OH, so that's what fanboy means now...

OK, when if I'm indeed "the person who went against EGM's claims that you STILL don't comprehend, and therefore you try to ASSUME I missread something" then sure I'm a fanboy, if that's the current definition in your mind.

And if you also mean "guy that has owned and played on hundreds of different types of hardware over the years", then that would also be OK.;)I look forward to watching you attempt to writhe your way out of this one.Out of what? That I'm talking about what is right (even your OWN PIC disproves EGM's claims), or that you THINK I assumed something and can't prove it?

I'm afraid there's nothing to wiggle out of my friend. Now you on the other hand...Or, perhaps, like the cockroach who has been exposed to the light, you will scatter, back to your hole.Sounds like you need to learn when to use semicolons, but I'm just being picky for the hell of it now...;)

Oh dear, yet ANOTHER person assumes I'm a fanboy, just because I don't agree with him. Isn't this familiar Xantar and BaB??

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Bond]

I would reply to all of these posts, but it would result in absolutely nothing considering everyone's mind is already set on the issue and there really isn't anything to debate.

Lets' just wait and see.

[Shadow Fox]

For the sake of your ignorance, Stonecutter, I'll point out my ENTIRE POST below:I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.This IS a post- E3 issue (where Nintendo claimed #2 with only 10 million sold). If MS sold 13 million in March, then Nintendo lied. Point and case 1.Now, I for one (knowing MS's aggressive PR) NEVER heard a peep of MS claiming otherwise, even at E3 after NCL threw their "we're number 2" chants. Ed Fries WOULD NOT let this carry on if it were false, IMO.Again touching on the validity of 13 million being sold in March, if ever. Nintendo wouldn't have foolishly claimed they sold more than 13 with only 10 million (since, logically speaking, 10 is LESS than 13). Microsoft would have also said Nintendo was lying, and would have claimed #2 worldwide to negate this (as they have with Austrailia, and UK for a week or two). Point and case 2.Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.Directly saying that EGM's numbers were wrong for MARCH (they claimed 9.4, which is incorrect according to other sources that say 9.5, as listed and linked at the end of the post). Point and case 3.Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globallyTHIS is VERY IMPORTANT- this is the part of my post you either overlooked, or had no clue as to what it meant.

I'm implying here that EGM is TAKING away 100k of unit sales from what Nintendo officially stated on 3/31 (9.4 vs 9.5). I DID NOT MISSREAD when the numbers were posted; I QUESTIONED the number itself, since Nintendo claimed otherwise in the same timeframe. These number negate each other for this timeframe.and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).And here I'm proving that Xbox in no way could sell thru it's projected 8 million (from January) and have 13 in then end of March, especially when MS themselves still claim recently that they plan to sell their 9 millionth unit by July, and that they claimed 8.3 million in March, NOT 13 million, as stated by the links below:

Relevant links:

Nintendo's numbers (http://cube.ign.com/articles/409/409828p1.html)
Microsoft's numbers (fiscal failure) (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-886556.html )
Microsoft's numbers (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-982911.html)List of PROOF that EGM's numbers contradict others.Please think about this; I've already contacted EGM about this potential error.My saying IN THE FIRST PLACE that I've already contacted EGM, who just recently sent me a nice vague reply that my "comments will be heard" (the same crap auto-replies Nintendo and MS give you for email).

That's my ENTIRE post. You kept talking about it, so I put it out in the open, fact per fact.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Xantar]

Stonecutter, seriously now, this is getting ridiculous. By your own admission, you've been devoting all these long, detailed posts not to proving that a particular company is in second place, not to arguing about the credibility of any particular sources and not even, in fact, to anything remotely related to the topic at hand.

According to you, you've spent all this time and energy trying to prove that Shadow Fox didn't read the topic post correctly. Do you realize how absurd it is to write this much trying to prove that at one point, somebody didn't understand something that clearly everybody (including him) understands now? Would you care to guess why nobody has jumped in to take one side or the other? If you guessed that nobody cares, you would be correct. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if it turns out that Shadow Fox did indeed misread something, and it wouldn't bother me if he actually did read the original article correctly. He obviously gets it now whatever he understood back then. Everybody else seems to be willing to let it be. Why can't you?

The only thing you're managing to accomplish with all this vitriol is to make yourself look petty, whiny and immature. Only a 12 year old tries to make his point by increasing the size of his words. The kind of insult-laden attacks you've been so liberally employing are the kind that you should have left behind in fifth grade.

For your own sake and before you somehow manage to damage your reputation any more, just let it lie.

[Stonecutter]

YOU'RE LYING. STOP LYING!

[GameKinG]

Forget fanboy crap. These sales are wrong. Im not saying I know whats right, but this report is putting up a pretty much impossable scenario, especialy when you compare it to fiscal results. And Im pretty sure its illegal to lie on fiscal reports cause then you are misleading investors.

Anyways, these topics dont matter. At the end of the thread nobody is proven right, and those who think they have proven themseleves right are **** heads.

[ominub]

Why are people still buying PS2's? (This is not a fanboy question, its just a simple question). I swear every Japanese Kid and Parent has to own one by now. If not at least 2.

tries to give you -1 rep but cant tries again but cant

oh well PS2 has 5 more times the sells than GC and thats good enough for me

[Rndm_Perfection]

tries to give you -1 rep but cant tries again but cant

oh well PS2 has 5 more times the sells than GC and thats good enough for me

Stoney C. is it just me or is Ominub familiar?

[One Winged Angel]

He was kind of stating it as a joke.

They buy it because it's the best system out there.

and that's not fanboyish?

[Stonecutter]

Stoney C. is it just me or is Ominub familiar?
Yes...... a little too familiar if you ask me.

****, what was that IP address.........

[ominub]

Yes...... a little too familiar if you ask me.

****, what was that IP address.........

what are you guys talking about now im confused

[playa_playa]

Can I tell ya'll a secret?

*In whispers*I see flaming...

Seriously though, whatever happened to the "gametavern is a haven for civil discussions" matra? I point this out because it seems such a policy is so strongly enforced in some instances yet tragically neglected in others; tragically neglected as in this mindless thread.