The Matrix "spoilers"

[ZeroCool51]

I SAW THE MATRIX AND IT WAS GREAT. SEEING THIS ONE REALLY MAKE'S ME WANT TO SEE THE THIRD ONE AND IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE YOU KNOW WHY. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO EXPLAIN YOU REALLY JUST HAVE TO SEE IT. I KNEW THE ENDING WAS GOING TO BE A CLIFFHANGER, THEY JUST PUT UP TO BE CONCLUDED. GREAT MOVIE YOU MUST SEE IT. OH YEAH THERE WERE 5 ZIONS BEFORE THE FIRST ONE AND 5 OTHER PEOPLE LIKE NEO, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THIS OLD GUY SAID BUT I DONT REALLY KNOW IF THAT PART WAS TRUE BECAUSE THE GUY IN WHITE ALSO SAID THAT THE DOOR ON THE LEFT WOULD KILL ALL THE HUMANS AND THAT HE COULD NOT SAVE TRINITY BUT IT DID NOT KILL ALL THE HUMANS AND HE DID SAVE TRINITY SO IM KIND OF CONFUSED.

[BlueFire]

although I read nothing you said, stop with all the CAPS o_O

[GameMaster]

I'm seeing Matrix tommorrow.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

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just out of curiosity....on whos side was the creator on?? it was weird because if the matrix was restarted...than that means that in the real world, zion would have to be restored to its original position....or something. And another thing, how the hell did neo take out that sentinal at the end?
btw, the whole sky-scraper-out-the-window-jump-by-trinity- thing was awsome!!!

[ZebraRampage]

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My friend and I saw it and...about Neo stopping the sentinals...my friend said that maybe the "real world" was also controlled just like the matrix..it was wierd...I'll have to watch the movie again. I was also confused as to the point of the dude that they showed at the end was. I mean, I just wasn't paying attention to the scenes that he was in during the beginning of the movie.

[One Winged Angel]

Originally posted by Duffman
I SAW THE MATRIX AND IT WAS GREAT. SEEING THIS ONE REALLY MAKE'S ME WANT TO SEE THE THIRD ONE AND IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE YOU KNOW WHY. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO EXPLAIN YOU REALLY JUST HAVE TO SEE IT. I KNEW THE ENDING WAS GOING TO BE A CLIFFHANGER, THEY JUST PUT UP TO BE CONCLUDED. GREAT MOVIE YOU MUST SEE IT. OH YEAH THERE WERE 5 ZIONS BEFORE THE FIRST ONE AND 5 OTHER PEOPLE LIKE NEO, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THIS OLD GUY SAID BUT I DONT REALLY KNOW IF THAT PART WAS TRUE BECAUSE THE GUY IN WHITE ALSO SAID THAT THE DOOR ON THE LEFT WOULD KILL ALL THE HUMANS AND THAT HE COULD NOT SAVE TRINITY BUT IT DID NOT KILL ALL THE HUMANS AND HE DID SAVE TRINITY SO IM KIND OF CONFUSED.

umm... I understood none of that.

[Mechadragon]

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He said the door on the left would save Trinity and kill all humans and the door on the right would do exactly the opposite.

Zebra, the man you are speaking of is an agent in a humans body. An agent answered the phone when it was ringing and he entered the mans body...I think.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

mechadragon's right.... well i'm gonna hafta watch this movie AT LEAST 3 more times b4 i get it completely and i'm looking forward 2 it :nod:

[ZebraRampage]

Oh damn, I forgot that's what the dude looked like after the agent changed into him. Thanks Mecha.

[Null]

For thoes of you who want.....

Matrix Revolutions Teaser
http://www.movie-list.net/mlst2k2/matrix-revolutions.mpg

[Blackmane]

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Oh my god, what a brain-twisting movie. My belief is that the last 5 times have been predictable to the machines, but this Neo is special because he loves Trinity and the others loved humanity more. I also think that the "real world" must be another matrix controlled by something else, maybe to control the machines??? I don't know, but that would explain how Smith got out, because it is still a computer world. Maybe both Smith and Neo are in the world outside this "other matrix." and that is why they have such a weird connection.

Oh, I want to see Revolutions right now to find out!!!!


BTW, the burly brawl with all the many Smiths is the craziest and best fight scene ever!!! Sorry Yoda, Neo is too hot for you.:D

[Rndm_Perfection]

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I feel that for Zion to have been destroyed 5 times, that it is also a fake.

Col. Sanders said it, basically... they had to keep changing the Matrix. The first Matrix was happy shiny, and nobody believed it. The second Matrix was a mimic of the real world, but somehow... it wasn't perfect. So, perhaps the third Matrix includes an imaginary escape. At least then the humans would have hope... continuing to stay in and not find a true escape. Thinking that Zion was a part of the "real" world, and that Neo and others really did escape the Matrix... the humans end up fighting in the wrong direction. That is what would make the Matrix perfect.

Sound about right?

[bobcat]

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I thought because Neo chose the path to save the gf (not to save the world) the matrix was stuffed and expected Neo to die at the end. Therefore that other guy at the end of the movie is the next "Neo" so to speak. BEcause Neo ain't dead, then there is a glitch, so Neo and "the next Neo" (the guy with the goatee) will face it off. My 2 cents, dunno though.

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by Blackmane
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I also think that the "real world" must be another matrix controlled by something else, maybe to control the machines??? I don't know, but that would explain how Smith got out, because it is still a computer world. Maybe both Smith and Neo are in the world outside this "other matrix." and that is why they have such a weird connection.
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Smith got out of the matrix because in the first movie, Neo entered his body and destroyed him. But, when Neo went inside of him, he left some sort of encyrpted code (a special code that the One has) and this code "freed" agent smith. Now smith is like a human, he can go in and out of the matrix, and he can walk around in the real world. If you pay closer attention to all the things that the Matrix creator said, you'd have learned this: "the One is a program of the matrix, used as a backup for when the Matrix restarts. The One will choose 15 (i think it was 15) people, 8 men and 7 women (might not be the right numbers) and these people will start the new human race.

You see, Neo has to leave his special code in these people, just like he did with smith (so technically, smith is now one of the next human race). The matrix has to restart because the machines are finding new ways to keep themselves powered. So, just like Neo said at the end of the movie "the prophesy is a lie". Neo is not a savior, hes a tool of the matrix. At least that's what I managed to figure out in the movie.

Also, if you had stayed in the theaters until after the credits were over, you would see the secret Matrix: Revolutions trailer. That also cleared a few things up for me pertaining to the storyline.

Great movie :)


(btw, you know that annoying kid that follows Neo around and claims that Neo saved him from the Matrix? You're probably wondering "when the hell did that happen?". Remember, to understand the entire story of the Matrix, you must also watch the the Animatrix, as well as play the video game Enter the Matrix).

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

wow... DarkMasters right

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i think that maybe the humans are actually the machines....and its all just mest up and the creater is playin all of them IMHO

[Yoda9864]

Originally posted by ZebraRampage
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My friend and I saw it and...about Neo stopping the sentinals...my friend said that maybe the "real world" was also controlled just like the matrix..it was wierd...I'll have to watch the movie again.
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I thought that the other ships EMP emitter stopped the sentinels that were going for Neo. I don't know. I do know that the sex scene was unessecarialy long. I don't want to see the people of Zion having an orge. I thought the music kicked butt (throughout the whole film).

[Mechadragon]

Not really a spoiler(has nothing to do with the plot).

When that girl ate the chocolate cake. Did she pee herself? I wasn't paying much attention.

[GameMaster]

Just saw it this afternoon, I thought it was awesome. http://207.142.132.180/~gametave/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif Anyway, I thought the battle against the 100 Agent Smiths was really cool. The special effects were great, in regards to the fighting and stuff. I also really enjoyed the love scene between Neo and Trinity. Good movie.

[Null]

some of you are trying to read WAY too into these things. simplest solution is often the correct one.

some of these theories and stuff are just WAY out there.


BTW, you didnt have to stay in the theatre to see the preview for the next one, i already posted it above.

[GameMaster]

Who here thinks Neo secretly enjoyed that little session with the French lady? :D

[One Winged Angel]

Originally posted by GameMaster
Who here thinks Neo secretly enjoyed that little session with the French lady? :D
Well I certainly did :O

[jeepnut]

So everyone liked it?

Hmmm...

Me personnally, I wasn't entirely impressed. The special effects were cool, but the fights got derivitive, the orgy was stupid and too long, it didn't flow well, it did not fittingly follow what was laid out by the first one, and Morpheus sucked.

BTW, I loved the first one, so this was all that much more dissapointing considering I had high expectations going in.

[Joeiss]

I saw it last night, and it was a good movie. The beginning third was a bit slow, like all of the stuff in Zion, but I guess they needed that to push the plot over.

The fight with all the Smiths was OK, but some parts were just way too cartoony for me. And I liked those twin ghost guys... What did the oracle say that ghosts were again? Something like watchers of either birds or trees or anything that messed up and showed themselves?

And... I liked the keymaster guy, he was kind of funny.. Yep. And that French dude was kind of comical, and very "slimy". The key to the door was supposed to give Neo the chance to save humanity, but I don't get where he got the "24 hours" from at the end of the movie? I thought that since he went to the left door, everybody would die, not he has a window of 24 hours to save it, lol.

Please answer my questions, somebody!

[Mechadragon]

Originally posted by jeepnut
So everyone liked it?

Hmmm...

Me personnally, I wasn't entirely impressed. The special effects were cool, but the fights got derivitive, the orgy was stupid and too long, it didn't flow well, it did not fittingly follow what was laid out by the first one, and Morpheus sucked.
What about Morpheus sucked? I thought it was pretty cool when he defeated the twins.

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Please answer my questions, somebody!
Perhaps this can clear up some of your questions. This is a transcript of the conversation between Neo and the Creator.


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ARCHITECT: Hello Neo

NEO: Who are you

ARCHITECT: I am the architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and although the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concurrently while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

NEO: Why am I here

ARCHITECT: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably(Not capable of being persuaded by entreaty; relentless)... here.

NEO: You haven't answered my question

ARCHITECT: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

(Multiple screens of Neo talking in background)

The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

[Multiple neo's talking]

NEO: There are only two possible explanations. Either no one told me, or no one knows.

ARCHITECT: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

[Multiple neo's talking]

NEO: Choice. The problem is choice.

ARCHITECT: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art. Flawless. Sublime. And triumphed equal only by it's monumental failure. The inevitability of it's doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it. Based on your history. To more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind. Or perhaps, a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another. An intuitive program. Initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be it's mother.

NEO: The oracle

ARCHITECT: Please. As I was saying she stumbled upon a solution where by nearly %99 of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice. Even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory, systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those who refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

NEO: This is about Zion

ARCHITECT: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. It's every living inhabitant terminated. It's entire existence eradicated.

(Neos onscreen react with anger)

ARCHITECT: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the 6th time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

[more trinity fight scene]

ARCHITECT: The function of 'the one' is now to return the source allowing a temporary dissemination(diffusion for propagation and permanence; a scattering or spreading abroad, as of ideas, beliefs, etc.) of the code you carry re-inserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals. Sixteen female, seven male to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race

NEO: You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive

ARCHITECT: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation (contingent affirmation = possible to be true. Check dictionary.com ) that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of 'the one'. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. (?) Love.

NEO: Trinity

ARCHITECT: (?) She entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

NEO: No...

ARCHITECT: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads to back to the matrix, to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do don't we. Already I can see the chain reaction. The chemical precursors(indications) that signal the onset of an emotion. Designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth; she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

[Neo walks to door on his left]

ARCHITECT: Hope. It is the quintessential(the most typical) human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

NEO: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

ARCHITECT: We won't.

[GameMaster]

That's cool, where'd you get that script?

[DarkMaster]

I found it on another forum. the guy who posted it wouldnt say where he got it.

[One Winged Angel]

I just saw the movie. That was the best movie I've seen for a long time. I'm probably going to be seeing it 2 or 3 times more.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

i just saw it again...and umm....wow... i still am just as confused as b4


btw, props for mentioning the Osirus in reloaded :)

[Bond]

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Well, I just got done seeing it. Great movie. But I see no point in trying to predict what has happened or will happen. It's probably better to just wait for Revolutions. Some of you may not know this though:

Morpheus = The Father
Neo = Jesus Christ
Trinity = Holy Spirit

Now, keeping this in mind. If you want to know what I think will happen is that there will be an apocalyptic battle in which good will win over evil. In Revolutions that is.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

:hmm:

ooooooooook, do u know this from a credible source or are you just speculating?

[Bond]

The movie is partly based on biblical stories. I know it to be true and I've read it from several reliable sources.

[surfin4lifer]

This is my conclusion from the movie. ::SPOILERS::

The architech (guy that created the matrix along w/ the oracle), well he said that this was the 6th matrix that he had created. And the one was someone that always came about to finish off the matrix and destroy it so that a new one would be created. this way people didn't start completely not believing in it.

Well Neo ended up believing in his love so much that nothing else mattered and he completely realizedt hat the matrix was a fake.

Well remember how the architect said that Zion was destroyed everytime and a new matrix was created, well the only thing I can think of is that he sent 5 people including hte one back to re created zion and start saving people from the new matrix thinking zion was real. Well zion is like a fire wall for the matrix. an alternate reality outside of hte matrix so that people will be content w/ what they have and not want to get out in the real world.

The reason that neo could "feel" the centinals and stop them just like real bullets in the matrix is b/c he realized that Zion was fake also. Another reason why Smith was able to take over that person and stay w/ him when he was taken into zion.

So I think the last movie is going to be about Neo coming out of Zion and starting to save the people in the real world.

so pretty much all of what we have seen in the matrix and outside of it is all programs.

OH btw how awesome was the computer program that gave that girl an orgasm? haha

[Joeiss]

BPOMOFO: u see mtric 2 yet
BPOMOFO: i saw it last wednessday
JoeissShally: ya man
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BPOMOFO: what was wit the soft prono thohg?
BPOMOFO: thouhg
JoeissShally: ?
JoeissShally: what?
BPOMOFO: in the movie
BPOMOFO: what was with the soft porno
BPOMOFO: part
BPOMOFO: it had nothing to do with ne thign
BPOMOFO: lol
JoeissShally: oh ****, ya man.. that was tupid
BPOMOFO: i got wood though
JoeissShally: :-\
BPOMOFO: now it would of been cool
BPOMOFO: if there was a cum shot
BPOMOFO: andevrything slows down
JoeissShally: =-O
BPOMOFO: and the camera spins around the cum
BPOMOFO: and then in slow mo
BPOMOFO: it smack her face
JoeissShally: =-O
BPOMOFO: haha
BPOMOFO: matric porn
JoeissShally: yo, can i post what you just said at the forum that i go to?
BPOMOFO: haha dont use my naem
BPOMOFO: haha yeah if u want



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[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by Bond
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Well, I just got done seeing it. Great movie. But I see no point in trying to predict what has happened or will happen. It's probably better to just wait for Revolutions. Some of you may not know this though:

Morpheus = The Father
Neo = Jesus Christ
Trinity = Holy Spirit

Now, keeping this in mind. If you want to know what I think will happen is that there will be an apocalyptic battle in which good will win over evil. In Revolutions that is.
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I would say that you are not far from the truth. (actually I think the creator of the matrix would be better suited to "The Father", where as Morpheus is more like a well wisher keeping the faith).

The subtitles for the Matrix: Reloaded and the Matrix: Revolutions aren't there for nothing. In Reloaded, the story is about the Matrix restarting, and in Revolutions, the story will no doubt be about something regarding a revolution (or something related to it, for that matter.)

Also, I urge you people to play through Enter the Matrix, is explains quite a bit about the storyline (not to mention exclusive footage filmed only for the game).

[thatmariolover]

My friends and I have come up with a Matrix within a Matrix theory. Where the "real world" is actually another Matrix. This would be (in some peoples opinions) a more simplistic way of explaining Neo's powers at the end of the movie.

However, a more theological approach to the situation, would be that Neo was granted such powers in the real world so as to battle his greatest adversary Agent Smith.

I think what some of you aren't realizing (and I haven't come to fully comprehend because I don't remember every aspect of the film), is that when agent smith copied himself into that man's body (when they were trying to escape with the message from the Oracle), and then was taken out of the Matrix, Agent Smith's ego, or at least a copy of it, was also taken out of the Matrix. It manifested itself in the human body of the person it copied itself into.

What I don't understand is the guy hooked up to the machine next to Neo at the end of the movie.

Did anybody else notice what he etched into his hand when he tried to kill Neo? A Roman Numeral two. Which could be indicative that there is not only a "One", but a "Two". I think it was confirmed in an interview with the brothers that there would be a "two". However that design he etched in his hand could have been something else that I didn't think of. Just a suggestion.

Oh well. I think I've milked about all I can out of the movie for only have gone to it twice. I'l have to go see it again.

[TheGrimReaper]

What I don't understand is why everyone in the Matrix will die if Neo chooses the wrong door.

[One Winged Angel]

I believe it was the choice the Architect gave him. He could've saved the human race but let Trinity die or have the whole human specie not exist nemore. I'm really not clear on it though. His love for Trinity was so strong he risked killing the human specie so he could save Trinity.

I'm still not understanding the Architect. Did he have more of a motive than creating the Matrix world.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by thatmariolover

What I don't understand is the guy hooked up to the machine next to Neo at the end of the movie.

Well, the machines made it to Zion, and they started to kill a bunch of people... And then there was only one survivor, which was that guy.

I think that is what happened... Or maybe the machines didn't reach Zion, but like a defense station or something.

[Dyne]

It couldn't have been Zion. I thought the hospital was in Zion. :p

[ZeroCool51]

the machines reached the counterattack that the humans had set up to stop the machines not zion.

[Mushlafa]

I saw it and i loved it

***** spoilers not really but just in case ****

My friend saw it with me and he didnt like it. This is what he thought of the movie. It was just all about Neo being some kind of super hero which he thinks is kind of corny and people telling him what to do throughout the movie and him following it or everybody in Zion dies and the fight scenes are only in there to make it interesting... Kind of like a game of simon sais y'know..

But i liked it :)

[thatmariolover]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Well, the machines made it to Zion, and they started to kill a bunch of people... And then there was only one survivor, which was that guy.

I think that is what happened... Or maybe the machines didn't reach Zion, but like a defense station or something.

Yeah, as somebody else just said, they reached the counter attack point, wiped them out, and there was only one survivor.

Now, let's start with the obvious things we know about the survivor:

1. He is the same person who tried to kill Neo in the beginning of the movie.

2. He etched two strait parallel lines into his hand before he did that.

3. He asked his superior officer to volunteer to look for Morpheus's ship.

And some things that (perhaps) coincide with the numbers above:

1. There had to have been motive for him to kill Neo. Likewise, there had to be motive for the machines to spare him.

2. Are those lines symbolic of the Roman Numberal Two? Either way, what do they stand for and what was the driving force behind doing it?

3. He wanted to find the ship for a reason. Again, what was his motive?

If you can recall, at the counter attack, the survivor triggered an EMP blast (presumably) so that the machines could kill the Zion forces more quickly.

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Now, about the lines he cut into his hand. I want to know (if it is a Roman Numberal two) why he would etch them into his hand. It almost sounds cult-like to me. I almost wonder if there is some sort of prophesy or alter-religion (or perhaps cult) that he follows. Like in real life, there is not simply Christian beliefs or disbelief, nor simply Jewish beliefs or disbelief. There are middle religions. What would their motive be if such a cult did exist?

Well, I'm done for now. :D

PS: Can somebody figure out his name for me? I'm sick of calling him survivor...

[ZebraRampage]

Ok, I'm not sure if all of you know this because in the last couple of posts it looked like some people weren't sure who he was...but the one survivor dude was the guy that Agent Smith cloned himself into at the beginning of the movie.

[The Germanator]

Yeah, what Zebra said...he's Agent Smith...

[Joeiss]

Yep yep... That is why I think the machines spared him... Becuase they "senced" that he was connect to the Matrix or something... I don't know.

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by thatmariolover
2. Are those lines symbolic of the Roman Numberal Two? Either way, what do they stand for and what was the driving force behind doing it?
although the lines themselves may symbolize something, I think the very reason he's carving himself is because this is his first time in the real world. He is Agent Smith who, earlier on in the movie, copied his information into Bane (the guy he appears to be in the real world). Now, Agent Smith was a program, until Neo destroyed him in the first movie. Throughout Reloaded, you'll hear a lot of things about Exile programs, ones that are no longer needed and/or can not be deleted. Smith is an Agent, he is suppose to be unbeatable, such is how he was programmed.

Neo defeated him, but he did not "die" because there is no way to delete an Agent program (I believe it was either the Oracle, or the Creator who implied this). Now, Smith is "free", he can do what ever he wants, he is no longer a program controlled by the Matrix (notice how the other Agents detest him?). Now that he can roam about in the real world, he now can physically feel things, like a human. I believe, that Smith cuts up his hand for the sensation. He has never feeled pain before, so he's experimenting.

3. He wanted to find the ship for a reason. Again, what was his motive?
easy enough, he wants to find Neo in the real world. Essentailly, Neo would be easier to kill in the real world than in the matrix.

So how come Neo has "powers" in the real world now? there could be multiple reasons.

For one thing, the matrix, including the real world, could all just be one big matrix. This would allow Neo to be powerful as well in the "real" world. If the Real World is actually the REAL World then, we get another slew of possible answers:He is some kind of magical human being, or, he is, essentially, not a human, and more of an outside-Matrix progam not unlike Agent Smith. After all, the creator does say that Neo is a program of the Matrix, designed to keep inline the .1% of people who could not accept living in the Matrix. Those .1% are the people in Zion.

The Creator also says "this will be the sixth time we've destroyed Zion, we are getting quite good at it" do you have any idea what that means? Zion has been destroyed almost the same way numerous times. How can an actual real life city be destroyed, start over with all the same buildings, peoples, and concepts, and then be destroyed again by the machines?

This could prove that the "Real" World is actually part of the Matrix, its another designed world made by the machines to harness the .1% people who can't except what they think is the real matrix. While all along, they are actually in one big matrix, they just can't see it. And that's not all, Neo also says near the end, when the machines are coming, he can "feel them" much like he can sense and feel things inside the matrix. This shows that Neo is starting to see the "Real" World for what it really is: a bunch of green coding.

[thatmariolover]

Originally posted by ZebraRampage
Ok, I'm not sure if all of you know this because in the last couple of posts it looked like some people weren't sure who he was...but the one survivor dude was the guy that Agent Smith cloned himself into at the beginning of the movie.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. My main problem was, I didn't know they were the same people, but to me it would have only made sense for them to be the same guy. So there was a conflict between what I knew and what made sense.

And DarkMaster summed the rest up fairly nicely.

Originally posted by DarkMaster
The Creator also says "this will be the sixth time we've destroyed Zion, we are getting quite good at it" do you have any idea what that means? Zion has been destroyed almost the same way numerous times. How can an actual real life city be destroyed, start over with all the same buildings, peoples, and concepts, and then be destroyed again by the machines?

This is the question that we might have to wait on in order to get an answer. There are a slew of possibilities.

One is that the machines keep Zion alive for a reason. Perhaps they have literally destroyed Zion in the past. The "One" then chose the individuals from The Matrix who would start Zion back up again, their memories would be erased and reprogrammed to make them think that they had lived in Zion their entire lives; the current "One" would die and the cycle would repeat itself. Read what the Architect said below. He states that if Zion doesn't go on, if Neo doesn't choose the individuals to continue with Zion, then there would be a terrible system crash. This system crash would presumably happen because Zion would be destroyed and there would be nobody chosen to rebuild it. But why would that cause a system crash in the matrix?

Originally posted by The Architect :D
The function of 'the one' is now to return the source allowing a temporary dissemination(diffusion for propagation and permanence; a scattering or spreading abroad, as of ideas, beliefs, etc.) of the code you carry re-inserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals. Sixteen female, seven male to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

The problem was that he knew Trinity would die if he wasn't there to save her.

If he had chosen the other door, the cycle simply would have repeated itself. The only way to bring an end to it (for better or worse) was to choose the door he did.

[One Winged Angel]

Did anyone know what happened to tank?

[thatmariolover]

Originally posted by One Winged Angel
Did anyone know what happened to tank?

I had the same question. Blink's (is that his name) girlfriend is the sister of Tank and Dozer, and in the movie she said she had "already lost two people to that ship", or something to that effect. But as I understood it, Tank lived through the last one... So... :/

Now that I think about it though, I thought I caught a glimpse of him in the trailer for the next movie (I could be wrong). At any rate, it will be interesting to see how (or if) they explain his dissappearance.

[Joeiss]

Well, you have to watch Animatrix to get the full story.

[Dyne]

Originally posted by One Winged Angel
Did anyone know what happened to tank?

Tommy Chong got signed off the set for some unknown reason. He went out with style, too. Apparently he stole all the food on set and just drove away. I think they could have patched it up better in the movie, though.

[Mechadragon]

AHAHAHAA Dyne, his name is Marcus Chong. Tommy Chong is one of the title characters from Cheech and Chong. You got a stoner mixed up with a freedom fighter.

[One Winged Angel]

Originally posted by Mechadragon
AHAHAHAA Dyne, his name is Marcus Chong. Tommy Chong is one of the title characters from Cheech and Chong. You got a stoner mixed up with a freedom fighter.
they're both stoners :dance:

[fingersman]

Someone told me that "Tank" was sueing the WB because they said they would put him back in the sequeal and they didn't. :confused:

[quiet mike]

Hey guys........

I know it's kind of late but in Romania we just got the movie and I saw it 2 weeks ago. I'll tell you my conclusions:

First I want to ask if any of you can tell me where can I find Animatrix to watch it? I missed it on TV and just saw the end where they all die!

Tank died in the time between part 1 and part 2, as his sister tells us.

Compared with all of you I want to chose the real Zion theory. The Matrix within the Matrix it's too simple of an answer for Zion and everything. I might be really worng but I like to speculate on the other solution.

The name of the second part Rloaded, indicated what hapened 5 times before, but didn't in this one, and that's why the third one is a Revolution.

QUIET MIKE's theory on Matrix:

-Zion is in the real world. It was built by either the machines long ago, after the first Matrix, that failed and rebuild if needed after each ONE. It was a place where the few that rejected the program could be kept under surveliance. Remember the council member showing the mechanical room. It's there, no one knows how and why, but they depend on them.

- Agent Smith loaded itself in a real human's mind. Remember that all humans that can enter the Matrix have plenty of chips inserted in their brain. In the Matrix a person looks like the reflection of how the brain thinks he looks, so agent Smith looks like agent Smith once loaded in another brain. But outside the Matrix he looks like the real person but the brain is controlled by agent Smith since he is loded in the chips implanted in that guy's head.

- Neo had to choose a door where his program code would restart the Matrix and spread the "Legend of the One", which was in turn controled by the Oracle. With this reboot, everyone conected with the matrix would have renweed memories, maybe start all over. The humans out the Matrix would be defeated by the machines, with the exception of a few chosen by the One, which would have modified memories and left in Zion from where they would get back to the Matrix and get the rejecties out of the system.
Choosing not to reboot meant again the destruction of Zion, but without the few choosen ones, but also mean to have all the humans in the system continuing to leave the same life. Since life is in continuous evolution they would try to do the same in the Matrix, but since the Matrix is a simulation of only the 20th century, it would malfanction and crash thus destroing all conected into it. That's why Choosing that door meant destroing every human in Zion in their fight with the machines, as well as all the one in the Matrix trough the crash. So the death wasn't instant like someone believed.
- Once Neo got out they had 24 hours until the Machines reach Zion and begin the fight, and also hat to find a way to keep the Matrix online until all humans are disconencted.
- I have no clue how outside agent Smith survive the attack in one of the outposts
- Realizing all the secrets of the Matrix in his last trip, Neo got overcharged (remember the Trinity save sequence). Once outside the Matrix, because of the overcharge that he kept in his implants he starts sensing all the electrical inerferences in the air, like the radio frequencies the Machines use to keep in tough to each other and central comand. Somehow, just like in the Matrix, he can change the electic field (Magneto).

If you got bored go read something else. I need to take a breack. I talked too much

[thatmariolover]

Yeah, I think your right.

I've also been theorizing that the machines have left Zion alone because it is the "control group." In the event that a system failure occured in the Matrix and all humans were lost, they would need some humans that were not hardwired to it to restart crop production.

Just a thought.

[TheGame]

Well, to make a resectable opinion, you have to answer a question first... What is the goal of Matrix Revolutions? (assuming it's the last in the seris)

1. The goal of the first and second: Free everbody from the Matrix.

How to solve: More movies ;). I'm sorry, but there is no way on earth this problem could be solved fast. In fact, if there is a resolution in the next movie... they only will get the machines and agents out of thier way, then start the slow process. But, what may really happen is the Matrix being competly shut down... and the outside earth forming from only the people of Zion.

Which brings up the question, can humans survive without the machines? Is the earth a place where humans can realy survive? Is life better with the machies?

2. Save Zion from the Machines

How to solve: Some would like to belive Zion is a Matrix outside the Martix, and hopfully this is true or the humans are in trouble. But wait, didn't the Archetect offer Neo a way to save Zion by starting over? Why? Simple, the Matrix needs Zion. Some people in the Matrix can sense that they were in a program, and they could be potentially dangerous. By freeing them and giving them a impossible goal is means of control.

Neo is controlled, he has been being pushed around by CPU programs to achive an ultimate goal. But Neo made one decision that may not have been expected by the Matrix... he saved Trinity over saving humanty on the outside as a whole. That wouldn't have been the move I would have taken, but eh somehow he had to be special compared to the 5 "other" ones for them to make a movie about him.

Now, the matrix needs Zion as an area to place and kill minds that sense the fakeness of the Matrix. But, Neo chose not to save Zion so, once again, it will be desroyed... but this time without a way to be Revived. (at least not a way the CPU will have control over).

My personal concluson here is that Neo and Morpheus are under some type of mind control program. The program goes by the name of The Oracle. The CPU must have always looked for ways to control "The One" by giving him a false purpose. Also, like I said a cople of times before, a way to cotrol Zion. The "Prophecy" that Neo and Morpheus live by was created by the CPU.

Now, back to how to save Zion, well, it brings up another question. How did Neo stop the Machine at the end? Well, because the Matrix needs Neo, I think Neo was spared (yes, saved) for the good of the Matrix. Why is he needed? I have two ideas:

1) The One is needed to develop Zion, without him, no more Zion...

2) and the second reason he is spared is also the third goal of Matrix Revolutions:

3. Defeat Agent Smith

Smith may be the single worst Virus the Matrix has ever had in history. Given time he could completly run the Matrix, if all of his copies keep making copies maybe one every minute, he would be the only person left in the Matrix, and we all know he hates the Matrix, so he could commit a mass suicide on himself, kill all human life, thus killing The Matrix's energy supply, and destroying everything.

Who can defeat him? The other programs can't, and the Matrix really can't crack down on him... this is a job for our superhero Neo. I'm guessing he has to destroy the "real" Smith, or the one who started the virus. He/It may be powerful as hell and I think we may have seen him in the Matrix Revolutions trailer.

If you want my honest opinion, I think if nothing is solved in Revoluions, at LEAST Smith will need to die.

I feel that Revolutions isn't the last Matrix Movie, I think Revolutions/Reloded are all one movie that will be part 2 of a trilogy. The goals haven't been cleared up enough in Reloaded. The next movie may need to be a good 4hrs to answer everything.

Matrix is the Next Cult classic, kinda like Star Wars... There are even more side stories in the Matrix. You think SW had a lot of video games, I think Matrix will be able to match it in the next 10 years alone. They could also make prequals, and sequals like Star Wars too.

-EDIT-

I gots a question, what is the "Zion Mainframe"? Why did the agents in the first movie need the the passcodes for it?

[Crash]

Well, I just got done seeing it. Great movie. But I see no point in trying to predict what has happened or will happen. It's probably better to just wait for Revolutions. Some of you may not know this though:

Morpheus = The Father
Neo = Jesus Christ
Trinity = Holy Spirit

yeah, in the first matrix, the dude who gets the virus program from neo says "you're my savior, my own personal jesus christ"

funny...

[TheGame]

yeah, in the first matrix, the dude who gets the virus program from neo says "you're my savior, my own personal jesus christ"

funny...

Then he said "I think you need to unplug" :D

But I dunno about this Holy Trinity representation thing... I highly doubt it. First of all, how the hell do you label Trinity as the "Holy Spirit" and Morpheus as "The Father"??? Morpheus didn't create anything, he just tells the truth... so in a way I would label them as "profits" but then again, the program created the prophecy with the Oracle and The Archetect.

[Lord Germano]

Morpheus = The god of dreams (Norsk I think)
Neo = New, abnormal, different
Trinity = The father, son and holy ghost

thats what the names litaraly means, to the best of my knowlege