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Crash
05-13-2003, 06:49 PM
http://www.gametavern.net/e3pictures/PPPPPICTURES/mario%20gold/

http://www.gametavern.net/e3pictures/PPPPPICTURES/mario%20gold/051303_mariogolf_ss-06.jpg

GameMaster
05-13-2003, 08:03 PM
Hasn't improved much in the visual department. :unsure:

Perfect Stu
05-13-2003, 09:47 PM
this is a joke...right? :distress:

Joeiss
05-13-2003, 09:50 PM
How is it a joke?

Perfect Stu
05-13-2003, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Joeiss
How is it a joke?

well, I figured the graphics would look much better than that...I mean Gamecube is supposedly significantly superior to PS2 for graphics and I just finished watching some GT4 and MGS3 footage, and then this Mario Golf stuff...nice effort they put into the game :rolleyes:

Gamer
05-13-2003, 11:23 PM
damn, seems the mario franchise is lacking in visuals...

Crash
05-13-2003, 11:37 PM
i don't see lacking in visuals..... you guys need to clean you ...eyeballs.

Perfect Stu
05-14-2003, 12:15 AM
no 'lacking in visuals' you say?

SUPERIOR hardware:

http://www.gametavern.net/e3pictures/PPPPPICTURES/mario%20gold/051303_mariogolf_ss-06.jpg

INFERIOR hardware:

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/MGS3snakeEater_051303_22.jpg

I don't think I'm the one who needs to get my.....eyeballs cleaned? :confused:

GameMaster
05-14-2003, 12:24 AM
I think he's being sarcastic Stu.

Null
05-14-2003, 12:24 AM
psssst stu, that didnt prove your point very well. sorry. lol

i know what your sayin but just bad choice in pic comparasins. ones showing a golf corse with grass, a very nice looking golf ball and a clear sharp looking person. all in a cartoonish gfx

another is dark with a bunch of flames and a redesh less colorful look.

a better pic woulda served much better here. aka. a GT4 screen :D

Stonecutter
05-14-2003, 02:12 AM
Nintendo just isn't trying anymore on graphics are they? Really, what's the point of even launching the gamecube if they're going to half ass every single game they produce. Power the ****ing things up.

Jason1
05-14-2003, 04:35 PM
That was just a bad picture choice on Crash's part. Take a look at this one.

http://www.gametavern.net/e3pictures/PPPPPICTURES/mario%20gold/051303_mariogolf_ss-11.jpg

Much prettier.

Null
05-14-2003, 05:00 PM
best looking golf game i've seen. looks pretty.


i just dont like golf games tho :D

Perfect Stu
05-14-2003, 05:07 PM
looks pretty bad, IMHO

Seth
05-14-2003, 08:34 PM
IMO it looks kind of ****ty too. There's still a good while for development though.


Oh, and are they going to show anything on mario tennis? I liked it a lot more than mario golf.

Bond
05-14-2003, 09:06 PM
Have we seen Links 2004?

http://www.teamxbox.com/images/games/ss/675/1052787104.jpg

http://www.teamxbox.com/images/games/ss/675/1052787102.jpg

Null
05-14-2003, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Bond
Have we seen Links 2004?


and i hope i never do again.

Stonecutter
05-14-2003, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by bouncer_agb
There's still a good while for development though.


......Uh...no.

If it comes out in july, they've got like a month. Trust me that's about as good as it's going to get.

Here's the thing though. No matter how much links kicks MG's ass in the graphics department, the deciding factor for me will be how the game swings. If it uses that lame ass analouge swing, I'm not buying it. It had better be Tap..............Tap....................Tap.

Null
05-14-2003, 09:29 PM
funny, xbox fans are the ones always saying how you cant compare such to such. but then comes in and tries to compare graphics from a game that tries to look like a cartoon to a game that tries to look real. how are you compareing games that dont want to look like each other?

Bond
05-14-2003, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Null
funny, xbox fans are the ones always saying how you cant compare such to such. but then comes in and tries to compare graphics from a game that tries to look like a cartoon to a game that tries to look real. how are you compareing games that dont want to look like each other?
Did I ever say I was comparing them?

No.

Did I simply post screenshots from another golfing game?

Yes.

Null
05-14-2003, 09:33 PM
lol. BS ;)

GameMaster
05-14-2003, 09:40 PM
Even for a cartoon style game, it's still disappointing IMO.

Null
05-14-2003, 09:43 PM
well. dissapointing it may be. IMO it looks better then what is probably its competition. hotshots or outlaw golf.

gekko
05-14-2003, 09:58 PM
Mario Golf looks great. Don't see why anyone would be complaining.

One Winged Angel
05-14-2003, 11:55 PM
http://www.gametavern.net/e3pictures/PPPPPICTURES/mario%20gold/051303_mariogolf_ss-13.jpg

This is a better screen of a shot. The one of Peach just wasn't that good

The Duggler
05-15-2003, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Null
funny, xbox fans are the ones always saying how you cant compare such to such. but then comes in and tries to compare graphics from a game that tries to look like a cartoon to a game that tries to look real. how are you compareing games that dont want to look like each other? Exactly
Stu:
looks pretty bad, IMHO
Shut up, fanboy :p
Stonecutter:
If it uses that lame ass analouge swing, I'm not buying it. It had better be Tap..............Tap....................Tap.It's going to be tap tap tap.When you're all lined-up and ready for a shot, the controls take a much improved turn for the better. Now we've got some choices to make on how best to smack the lumpy little ball, and they offer a bit of gameplay depth that we're happy to enjoy. Toadstool Tour uses the standard sliding bar method like so many golf games before it, but the key to a great shot is more in the choice of buttons pressed than just the typical timing routine (which also remains a factor). Hitting the A button fills the meter from right to left, and if no other buttons are pressed, then you'll see Wario wind up and relax as if only taking a practice swing -- in his case, a very angry practice swing.
As the meter fills, players can choose to hit one of two buttons to mark the strength (i.e. distance) of their shot. The A button can be used by beginners or just lazy players in general who don't want to bother with the game's more refined shot controls, as using it will firmly stop the meter in place without worry of stopping it a second time. But real men (and real women) use the B button to stop their meters. This will mark its peak and send it sliding back to the right for the all-important second alignment stop that determines hook and slice. You can use B again to stop it's descent, or if you're a real man (or real woman), then you'll quickly press a two-button combination of choice using A and B to pick your desired ball spin: A-A for topspin, B-B for backspin, A-B for super topspin, or B-A for super backspin. This lets players choose to punch their shots straight through the air or loft them high for straight drops to the turf. The emphasis placed on the B button definitely requires some mental conditioning to keep from hitting the default, fat A button when stopping the meter, but like anything, it's easily learnable, and we definitely appreciate the depth of the two-button system.

-IGN

Mario Golf is the best golfer ever, period.

http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf1.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf2.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf3.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf4.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf5.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf6.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf7.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf8.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf9.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf10.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf11.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf12.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf13.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf14.jpg

Perfect Stu
05-15-2003, 11:12 AM
New screens, Superior hardware:

http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf9.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf2.jpg
http://www.nintendonow.com/media/pictures/mariogolf4.jpg

2 year old screens, Inferior hardware:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/vgnews/060801/hotshotsgolf3/hotshots3_screen004.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/vgnews/060801/hotshotsgolf3/hotshots3_screen002.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/vgnews/060801/hotshotsgolf3/hotshots3_screen001.jpg

Not to mention that even though they're realistic, the screens Bond posted are MUCH more impressive...stop using the old excuse "it's cartoony, you can't compare them".

The Duggler
05-15-2003, 11:18 AM
Look Stu, it's a Mario game in a mario world. The trees are meant to be like that, they don't have leafs, it's the way it's supposed to look. Gamecube hardware is not exploited to it's max and it's normal. You can't excpect better than that.

Perfect Stu
05-15-2003, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Ranzid
Look Stu, it's a Mario game in a mario world. The trees are meant to be like that, they don't have leafs, it's the way it's supposed to look. Gamecube hardware is not exploited to it's max and it's normal. You can't excpect better than that.

so because it's a Mario game and because the trees are meant to look like that it means I have to be impressed? please...you have to do better than that. but nevermind, I'll agree to disagree.

Null
05-15-2003, 11:33 AM
actually stu. i still think mario golf looks better then thoes hotshots golf pics you posted.... suppose its a matter of preference, but i like the colorfullness

dwelzy
05-15-2003, 11:51 AM
i agree with null , the mario golf looks beter than the trully infirior hotshots golf, but hey thats my opinion :rolleyes:

The Duggler
05-15-2003, 12:11 PM
Inferior Hardware:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/vgnews/060801/hotshotsgolf3/hotshots3_screen002.jpg

Superior Hardware:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/rs2rebelstrike_051403_gcn_08.jpg

TheGame
05-15-2003, 12:35 PM
Uhh... ranzid, that last pic looks choppy as hell... I don't think it's anything Ps2 or Xbox couldn't pull off.

But anyway, back on topic, I'm a huge fan of Mario golf for N64, and I don't care if the visuals haven't been upgraded much. In golf games it's all about gameplay, I'm buying this game this summer, even if it manages to start looking worse leading up to the launch :p

The Duggler
05-15-2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by TheGame
Uhh... ranzid, that last pic looks choppy as hell... I don't think it's anything Ps2 or Xbox couldn't pull off. Well, you have to consider the fact that he's flying trough those woods at a few hundred km/h

viruscool
05-15-2003, 03:24 PM
Yeah very true Ranzid!!!

Perfect Stu
05-15-2003, 03:47 PM
you guys are hilarious...comparing pics of an upcoming, high budget Star Wars game to a 2-year old low-budget golf game :lol:

check out the new GT4 thread if you really want to compare screenshots...

The Duggler
05-15-2003, 03:51 PM
Is there trees in those screen shots stu?

DarkMaster
05-15-2003, 04:12 PM
Superior Hardware:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/rs2rebelstrike_051403_gcn_08.jpg

Inferior Hardware:
http://www.tothegame.com/screens/ps2_granturism4/2003-05-14/screen3_large.jpg

there you go Ranzid

The Duggler
05-15-2003, 04:30 PM
Yhea, nice picture of a canyon you got there. The SW forest is actually entirely 3D. Not some background picture.

BreakABone
05-15-2003, 04:32 PM
This thread is just funny.

We are comparing golf games to stealth action games. Golf games to space shooters and space shooters to racing.

Let's bringon the GBA screens!

Null
05-15-2003, 04:35 PM
we dont want to imbarrass all the other games shown in this threat by killing them with the superiour GBA screens man.

DarkMaster
05-15-2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by BreakABone
This thread is just funny.

We are comparing golf games to stealth action games. Golf games to space shooters and space shooters to racing.

Let's bringon the GBA screens!
he asked for a GT4 comparison, and I delivered. What's wrong with comparing space shooters with racing games? are racing games inclined to have better graphics than space shooters? Both games are modeled to resemble a real life area in a realistic way (one is a forest, the other is a canyon). If they had different graphical styles, then a comparison would be inconclusive (ie. mario kart: double dash and gt4).

Perfect Stu
05-15-2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Ranzid
Is there trees in those screen shots stu?

why? do you have some kind of tree fetish? :unsure:

BreakABone
05-15-2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by DarkMaster
he asked for a GT4 comparison, and I delivered. What's wrong with comparing space shooters with racing games? are racing games inclined to have better graphics than space shooters? Both games are modeled to resemble a real life area in a realistic way (one is a forest, the other is a canyon). If they had different graphical styles, then a comparison would be inconclusive (ie. mario golf and gt4).

Actually Stu was the one who made a reference to comparing GT 4 with Cube games, yet you credit it to Ranzid...

I won't go into the racing/space shooter comparison.Just sit and think about it,

DarkMaster
05-15-2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by BreakABone
Actually Stu was the one who made a reference to comparing GT 4 with Cube games, yet you credit it to Ranzid...

I won't go into the racing/space shooter comparison.Just sit and think about it,
I credit it to no one, an implication was made where Stu asked Ranzid to compare a game to GT4, Ranzid seemed like he wanted to see the GT4 pic, so I gave him one.

now i'll sit back and think about why space shooters shouldnt look as good as Gt4

gekko
05-15-2003, 05:24 PM
One is a forest that you travel through at high speeds. Anytime you are speeding through an area, it will have considerably less detail than it would otherwise. And even with that being said, the forest looks great.

The other shot is a rendered screen (read: not what you'll see when playing the game), with a photograph in the background. Ignore the cannon, compare it to the rocks along the side of the track. Those don't look too hot. Also, that is a high-res screen, designed exclusively to make the game look better than it actually is. PS2 can't output at 720p. The game runs in 640x480, which will be considerably less detail.

DarkMaster
05-15-2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by gekko
One is a forest that you travel through at high speeds. Anytime you are speeding through an area, it will have considerably less detail than it would otherwise. And even with that being said, the forest looks great.

The other shot is a rendered screen (read: not what you'll see when playing the game), with a photograph in the background. Ignore the cannon, compare it to the rocks along the side of the track. Those don't look too hot. Also, that is a high-res screen, designed exclusively to make the game look better than it actually is. PS2 can't output at 720p. The game runs in 640x480, which will be considerably less detail.
yes, I realize that. my point is, why shouldn't space shooters (not necessarily this space shooter) look as good as racing games (not necessarily GT4), because BAB's comment was that comparing those 2 genres was bad. Although the choice of screens for comparison were bad, I still dont see why one genre should look worse than another merely because of its genre.

BreakABone
05-15-2003, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by DarkMaster
I credit it to no one, an implication was made where Stu asked Ranzid to compare a game to GT4, Ranzid seemed like he wanted to see the GT4 pic, so I gave him one.

now i'll sit back and think about why space shooters shouldnt look as good as Gt4

Well for whatever reason, Ranzid asked for a screenshot with tress or atleast that's the impression I got, and your screen doesn't invovle any tree what so ever.

Anyhow why it's bad to compare a spaceshooter to a racer.

Well, I think it's basically one is in a more nature setting environment, I mean sure the pic you posted of RS III is on ground (even though first person), but most other screens are in the air and what have you. Also space shooters tend to have a bit more going on in the screen. The GT 4 screen has one car on a vast highway.

Now reason why the screen comparison was bad...
1)They have nothing in common at all..
-They are two different setting, one is a bit more confound to a jungle like setting while another is in a more open and somewhat barren road
-One is via a first person perspective, the other seems to be an bird's eye view screen.
-There isn't much going on in either screen.

Stonecutter
05-15-2003, 06:36 PM
Oh f*** all ya'all, I can top all of your graphics.

http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/adventure/adventure_start.gif
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/adventure/black_castle.gif
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/art_duel_chuck/artillery_duel.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/asteroids/asteroids.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/berzerk/berzerk.gif
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/chopper.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/combat.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/combat3.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/et3.jpg http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/fantastic.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/homerun.jpg http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/indy2.jpg

:D :D :D

GameMaster
05-15-2003, 07:08 PM
Yep, Stonecutter's screens get my vote. :D

One Winged Angel
05-15-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Perfect Stu
why? do you have some kind of tree fetish? :unsure:

lol, just because he thinks the trees look nice in the game doesn't mean he has a fetish =B

Joeiss
05-15-2003, 09:18 PM
Those are sweet!

One Winged Angel
05-15-2003, 09:25 PM
watch out Halo 2!

Perfect Stu
05-15-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by One Winged Angel
lol, just because he thinks the trees look nice in the game doesn't mean he has a fetish =B

calm down, junior. it was a joke. look it up in the dictionary some time :nod:

Null
05-15-2003, 10:18 PM
Stonecutter.... posting pics like that and NOT posting pics of PONG?

you're dissssPickable!`

One Winged Angel
05-15-2003, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Perfect Stu
calm down, junior. it was a joke. look it up in the dictionary some time :nod:
I know, I just like ruining them :)

bobcat
05-16-2003, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Stonecutter
Oh fuck all ya'all, I can top all of your graphics.

http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/adventure/adventure_start.gif
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/adventure/black_castle.gif
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/art_duel_chuck/artillery_duel.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/asteroids/asteroids.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/berzerk/berzerk.gif
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/chopper.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/combat.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/combat3.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/et3.jpg http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/fantastic.jpg
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/homerun.jpg http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/indy2.jpg

:D :D :D

:eek:

Yoda9864
05-21-2003, 01:15 AM
Superior hardware:
http://www.motoregg.com/atari/navImages/screenshots/et3.jpg

Inferior hardware:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/rs2rebelstrike_051403_gcn_08.jpg

See how the trees in the first are clearly better than the second????:rolleyes:

........

Wait a minute, what was the original topic of this thread?......:rolleyes:

One Winged Angel
05-21-2003, 04:40 PM
Games that have totally different genre's shouldn't be compared. Some games weren't meant to be realistic like Mario Golf for example Good graphics should be decided on by how it looks, now how it looks to others.

Perfect Stu
05-21-2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by One Winged Angel
Games that have totally different genre's shouldn't be compared. Some games weren't meant to be realistic like Mario Golf for example Good graphics should be decided on by how it looks, now how it looks to others.

I agree with you 100%, although the only basis of graphical expectations we have is by looking at other (modern) games. I don't think Mario Golf looks good. I could have left it like that, but people would say "why? why doesn't it look good?" The only reason why I bothered posting other images is to TRY to somehow give some reason to my point...but I've already agreed to disagree, so...O .o