Null's 2003 NHL Playoff Game. -ROUND 1-

[Null]

well unless i messed up. which is always possible.
These are Final.


[WEST]
(1)DAL vs EDM(8)
(2)DET vs ANA(7)
(3)COL vs MIN(6)
(4)VAN vs STL(5)

[EAST]
(1)OTT vs NYI(8)
(2)NJ vs BOS(7)
(3)TB vs WAS(6)
(4)PHI vs TOR(5)


the Current 2002 NNPG (nulls nhl playoff game :P ) Champion = nWoCHRISnWo

RULES:
1 point for every correct pick for a winner of the series.
2 point bonus for picking the correct number of games (bonus only counts if you got the team right.
picks and or changes must be made before the first game of the playoffs. not the first game of the teams playoffs. playoffs period. once a team starts. be it any team. all picks are final.
Point earing may change with each round.

I guess really winning gets you nothing. except known as the champion for next years game. heh.



So my pics are...

Dal over edm in 7
Det over ana in 5
Col over min in 6
van over Stl in 6

East...
Ott over NYI in 4
NJ over Bos in 5
Was over TB in 6
Tor over Phi in 5

[Joeiss]

I'll make my picks when the regular season is actually over!

[Null]

i just said that ya goof. im just setting it up now so i dont have to type it all later :P

besides Vancouvers game. does any of the rest that are still going acutlaly matter?

[Joeiss]

Nope.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Actually, I'M the one who won this thing last year. :)

And anyways, the Vancouver game is done and the series you have up there are all right, so here goes:

West~

Dallas over Edmonton in 6
Detroit over Anahiem in 5
Colorado over Minnesota in 6
Vancouver over St. Louis in 7

East~

Ottawa over New York Isles in 6
Boston over New Jersey in 7
Washington over Tampa Bay in 6
Toronto over Philadelphia in 7



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Well there could be some pretty intense first round series... the Oilers and the Stars ALWAYS produced some awesome series, and after playing eachother eight billion times, they just plain hate eachother. Then there's Minnesota, who I don't think anyone wants to play in the first round. They could really suprise some people, but Colorado is pretty strong. Vancouver and St. Louis should be pretty exciting, watch for Bertuzzi vs Pronger. In the East, I picked my first upset with Boston over Jersey. It all depends on Boston's goaltender (Sheilds has a SWEET mask eh?). I also picked Toronto over Philly in what could be called an upset, but I see them as pretty equal. That should be one sweet ass series anyway, LOTS of physical goodness. Washington over Tampa Bay could be considered an upset as well, but it's not like Tampa Bay should be in third place anyway... And Yashin returns to Ottawa... But will get stomped all over. :)

I had the balls to pick three teams who were lower than their opponents. Do YOU?

[The Germanator]

Dallas over Edmonton in 6
Detroit over Anaheim in 6
Colorado over Minnesota in 7
Vancouver over St.Louis in 6

Ottawa over NY in 5
New Jersey over Boston in 7
Tampa Bay over Washington in 6
Philly over Toronto in 7

[Joeiss]

~West~

Dallas over Edmonton in 5
Detroit over Anahiem in 5
Colorado over Minnesota in 4
Vancouver over St. Louis in 6

~East~

Ottawa over New York Isles in 7
New Jersey over Boston in 6
Washington over Tampa Bay in 5
Toronto over Philadelphia in 7



What chris said. :D .... Um, I just don't think Edmonton is strong enough to last more than 5 games against Dallas. Anahiem in the playoffs? Not for long... Minnesota is gonna get beat in 4, but they will be great games... And go Vancouver! I would pick St. Louis, but I want to see a Canadian team advance!

Ottawa vs. New York Islanders will be a low scoring series, and it will be a long 7 games... New Jersey will be Boston, just because I don't think that Boston is ready yet. They will get 2 wins, but that just won't cut it. Tampa Bay sucks, lol... Washington will beat them quite easily...

And for the most anticipated first round playoff game of this year : The Leafs will win, but it will be the toughest round they will have to play (besides the Cup Finals of course.)

[Seth]

~West~

Dallas over Edmonton in 5
Detroit over Anahiem in 4
Colorado over Minnesota in 5
Vancouver over St. Louis in 6

~East~

Ottawa over New York Isles in 5
New Jersey over Boston in 5
Tampa Bay over Washington 6
Toronto over Philadelphia in 7

gak...that Van vs LA game really pissed me off.

[Crono]

WEST:
Dallas over Edmonton in 6
Detroit over Anaheim in 5
Colorado over Minnesota in 6
Vancouver over St Louis in 6

EAST:
Ottawa over NYI in 5
New Jersey over Boston in 5
Washington over Tampa Bay in 6
Toronto over Philly in 6

Providing that Toronto can get back some of their injured players before the playoffs begin, I'm sure they'll do just fine.

[Perfect Stu]

[WEST]
(1)DAL vs EDM(8)
-Dallas in 5. Should be some hard fought games, but Dallas is the better team by a visible margin

(2)DET vs ANA(7)
-Detroit in 4. Ouch...sorry Ducks fans

(3)COL vs MIN(6)
-Colorado in 5. Peter Forsberg for the Hart!

(4)VAN vs STL(5)
-Vancouver in 6. Osgood won't be able to stop the big line, but St. Louis will hang on for 6 games

[EAST]
(1)OTT vs NYI(8)
-Ottawa in 6. The Islanders have the better mental and physical toughness, but the Sens have a hell of a lot more talent

(2)NJ vs BOS(7)
-New Jersey in 7. I anticipate a really good series, and I can see this one going either way...making this the hardest prediction

(3)TB vs WAS(6)
-Tampa Bay in 6. Ick. This should not be a playoff series.

(4)PHI vs TOR(5)
-Toronto in 6. Toronto will win this tough, low scoring battle.

[ZebraRampage]

Well based on what has happened in previous years I can tell you all this. The Flyers are most likely not going to make it to the second round because they suck ass in the playoffs and it pisses me off......every year.

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by ZebraRampage
Well based on what has happened in previous years I can tell you all this. The Flyers are most likely not going to make it to the second round because they suck ass in the playoffs and it pisses me off......every year.

Yeah, I hear that bro...Though, we've been scoring like crazy since the Amonte trade and our defense and play on the road has been solid all year, hopefully Hitchy can get us pumped for the playoffs and we can actually win...

[Joeiss]

Hopefully not, for Dougy's sake.

[Joeiss]

GO LEAFS GO!!!


A-Mog with the hat trick... Good stuff Leafs! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Germanator]

Well, at least the Flyers have surpassed their playoff scoring total from last year. :unsure:

[Perfect Stu]

http://www.mapleleafs.com/images/home/mogilny/mogilny_bench_250_Getty.jpg

GO LEAFS GO

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Well three of the four away teams won so far.

Jersey/Boston- I watched some of it, pretty boring stuff here. I hate New Jersey games for the most part. I think Thornton got hurt, I don't think he's injured badly or anything though. Brodeur plays good as usual and Langenbrunner got two goals, continuing Nieuwendyke's and his hot streak over the last month or so.

Ottawa/Islanders- I just saw the hilites. Not too suprising that Islanders won so convincingly, but I still expect Ottawa to come back strong next game and play like everyone knows they can. They'll still win the series.

Toronto/Philly- I saw a short bit of the game and all the hilites. Looked like an awesome physical game with lots of goals. Already people are starting to get injured... Whoever comes out of this series (Toronto) is gonna LIMP out. I think Leafs have a good chance of playing for the Cup. Mogilny with the trick!

Oilers/Stars- EDMONTON WINS! EDMONTON WINS! EDMONTON WINS!

GO OILERS! GO LEAFS! GO SENATORS! AND tomarrow, GO CANUCKS!

[Seth]

Anyone else set up their shrine yet? I've got a canucks diddy in my room...along with other canadian team stuff. Candles and such.


Canucks tomorrow...it's going to be a crazy game.

*drinks some blood*

[Seth]

Wow....that game sucked. Oh well, game 2 saturday.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Well holy ****, other than New Jersey every upper seed lost game one. Who'd have guessed that?

And who else saw the Ducks vs Wings game? TRIPLE ****ing Overtime, Detroit had like 60+ shots, they were getting outplayed, outhit, outworked, everything, but J.S Giguere was in the ****ing zone. Then Paul Kariya scores after over 100 minutes of action, SWEET stuff.

Detroit in 4. Ouch...sorry Ducks fans

Detroit over Anahiem in 4


:) Go Ducks!

[Seth]

Ya, Detroit dominated that game....but giguere was on fire. Sweet for ducks though.

[mickydaniels]

I don't know too much about this season but I actually think at least half of the higher seeds will lose in the first round, like the 98 season.

[Joeiss]

Ducks are still gonna lose though.

[Seth]

I think it's just a coincidence that the higher teams lost their first games. There's still a lot of hockey left to play in the 1st round.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Well for some teams like Ottawa and Vancouver, I think the pressure was just too much in their first games and they'll definitely get better. Colorado wasn't terrible, it's just that Minnesota is a good team and they played the way they usually do, got a few PP goals and once they get the lead, they will win. Detroit ran into Giguere, if not for an absolutely spectacular game from him, then Detroit wins this game in regulation. Philly is pretty much equal to Toronto in my view, so I don't see that as an upset and nor do I see Philly coming back and beating the Leafs, but it wouldn't be too suprising. And Dallas, they just got outworked by the Oilers. :)

[Null]

actually its quite common the lower place team takes game 1. Happens quite a bit.

this the first time i seen so many lose game 1 at once. but still.

Quite often its a wakeup call for the higher place team, its like slappin the monster in the face and saying Hey, Wake up!

As for detroit. We learn to live with it and not really be bothered by it at all.

In all 3 years the wings have won the cup... 97 98 03 ..... They have trailed in at least 1 series during thier playoff run. sometimes like last year. they've trailed in 2 rounds. sometimes its kinda needed to keep the fire going.


But thats not to rule a lower place team out at all. Any team has the chance to beat the other in hockey. much the reason why i think the Hockey playoffs are more interesting then others. anything can happen

[Null]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
And Dallas, they just got outworked by the Oilers. :)


Trends in hockey have a weird way of working themselves. Oilers seem to relish in being the 8th place team and taking out the 1st...... Expecially when the 1st place team is either Dallas or Colorado.

[Dragon-Fly]

Dal-Edm: Dallas in 7
Van-St-L: St-Louis in 6
Detriot-Anaheim: Det in 5
Col-Min: Minn in 6

Ott-Isl: Isl in 6
Bos-Nj: Bos in 7 (though if they loose game three their out)
Phi-Tor: Tor 6
Tb-Wash: Tb in 6

Who ever says Nj has already won, since their leading 2-0, they should be ashamed, because it's not over till it's over.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally posted by Dragon-Fly
Who ever says Nj has already won, since their leading 2-0, they should be ashamed, because it's not over till it's over.

Uhh nobody said that... And it's not over until it's over for EVERY team, not just Boston.

And after seeing them go down 2-0 to Jersey, you still actually THINK they'll win? I think it's more a case that you WANT them to win... I never understood that, why do people always PREDICT their team to win, like ALL the time? A prediction is who you actually honestly THINK will win, usually people say "but I'm biased" and that doesn't make sense to me. How does liking one team make it more likely that they are gonna win? Like the Toronto fans that "predict" they'll win the cup ever year. I wonder how many actually think they will win the cup? I love Edmonton, but I know the chances of them beating Dallas aren't that great so I predicted Dallas to win the series.

I know this is just for fun, but still...

[The Germanator]

The Flyers looked mighty good in game 2. I'm confident that they can also take both games in Toronto, but we'll see.

[Seth]

:nod:


Ya, the ducks are ahead 2-0 in the series. What a surprise. ...Knowing Detroit though, they'll probably win the next 4.

[Null]

its called Irony...

Yzerman said before the playoffs. he thinks losing the first 2 last year helped em..... As luck would have it. they run into a hot goalie again and lightning strikes twice.

[Seth]

HIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA





2-1
Sucks that Cloutier didn't get the shutout. He didn't have much of a chance on the blues goal....screened really well.


Anyway, the Canucks really dominated to start out the game.


...Micinnis looks like he might have a seperated shoulder or broken arm.

[Joeiss]

Yeah, they say he has an "upper body" injury... No specifics, though.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Boston's 0-3 now. I thought they were gonna make it more of a series than this... Pat Burns is, in a coaching type way, destroying Boston.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Well holy ****, did anyone else see that Oilers/Stars game 3? One of the most exciting games I've seen in the last two years. The fans in Edmonton were ELECTRIC, acting as a seventh man out there it seemed. Turco has not played well throughout the series so far, he's let in a bad goal in all three games, and in tonight's game he could have prevented one goal if he just would have poke checked Laraque on his goal, and he almost created a goal-against on one of his puck-handling displays. Irony at it's best, Turco's supposed to be awesome at puck-handling, when he almost cost himself a goal or two, while Salo created a goal from his puck-handling. Series is now 2-1 Oilers. Go Oilers go!

[Perfect Stu]

Oilers are really impressing me
I expected a lot more from Turco, too (although I heard he has played very well in a few periods this series). For the GAA record-holder, he looks really meh.

I'm going to be at the Philly@Toronto game tonight :). I'll be one of 19+ thousand who will act as the 7th man on the ice for the Leafs. GO LEAFS GO

[Joeiss]

YOur going to the game?!?!?! WOW man... that is spectacular.

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Joeiss
YOur going to the game?!?!?! WOW man... that is spectacular.

It won't be as spectacular for him when the Flyers win. ;)

[ZebraRampage]

Originally posted by The Germanator
It won't be as spectacular for him when the Flyers win. ;)
Now I feel more confident that they Flyers will do fine. We just need better goal tending sometimes, it seems as though the offense is better and the defense is great. I have faith in them now.

[Seth]

Edmonton has by far the loudest and rowdiest fans. Toronto fans are more loyal but they just aren't as loud as those hick farmers in edmonton. Also, there's only what?, 17 000 people in skyreach?

[The Germanator]

Wow...great game but crappy result...I should have known, the Flyers do it to me every time.

[Null]

well man. you came on here proclaiming them as the winners.


There are reasons why Hockey players and Fans alike are SUPERSTICIOUS AS HELL!!!!

you jinxed thier ass's ;)

[Seth]

Damn **** crap ****.



3-1 for st louis. Bah. Well, anehiem up 1-0.....detroit loses 3 in a row?

[ZebraRampage]

The Flyers, Maple Leafs game was a really good game, but I guess since it was 2 OT's a goal was bound to come. It's crazy that those players can keep their stamnia out there for so long. Both teams had a chance to win, because they both played very well, but Toronto just got lucky, well it was a good goal, but I bet Checmanek was a little tired, but both teams were really good.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by ZebraRampage
The Flyers, Maple Leafs game was a really good game, but I guess since it was 2 OT's a goal was bound to come. It's crazy that those players can keep their stamnia out there for so long. Both teams had a chance to win, because they both played very well, but Toronto just got lucky, well it was a good goal, but I bet Checmanek was a little tired, but both teams were really good.

:lol:

I was at the game, pal, and the Leafs definately outplayed the Flyers. Everyone was hitting...even Robert Reichel made someone his bitch :lol: (he played awesome, btw)

What a game! Easily one of the best I've ever seen, and possibly the best I've ever been to.

I'll stick with my prediction: Leafs in 6 :)

>Detroit down 3-0 :eek:

[ZebraRampage]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
:lol:

I was at the game, pal, and the Leafs definately outplayed the Flyers. Everyone was hitting...even Robert Reichel made someone his bitch :lol: (he played awesome, btw)

What a game! Easily one of the best I've ever seen, and possibly the best I've ever been to.

I'll stick with my prediction: Leafs in 6 :)

>Detroit down 3-0 :eek:

Yeah I didn't give enough credit to the Leafs because I was pissed. They did hit a hell of a lot more. I'm just saying that since it went into 2 OT's anyone could have won because everyone is basically tired including the goalies.

[Joeiss]

Tuckers hit behind the net! WOW.


Great game... I love the Leafs, TO, and Canada.. lol... GO LEAFS GO

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Well for Flyers fans, I wouldn't be too confident that you could beat the Leafs (before game 3 even...), the Leafs are an awesome team. Flyers are good, but Toronto lives for the play-offs.

And about the Edmonton fans being the loudest, they are. The astmosphere in Edmonton during the play-offs is too good. But hick-farmers? I never even heard of Edmonton being referred to as a hick city before...

Annnd I cannot believe that Anahiem is ahead of Detroit 3-0. That would have been the last thing I would have predicted, Ducks sweeping Detroit.

[Joeiss]

They haven't swept them yet....


BUt i think they might!

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
And about the Edmonton fans being the loudest, they are. The astmosphere in Edmonton during the play-offs is too good.

Just curious,

how many Edmonton playoff games have you been to? how many Toronto playoff games have you been to?

[Seth]

Stu, as much as Toronto's a crazy rink during the playoffs, Edmonton just has the loudest fans. I'm not saying they're the smartest fans(knowing when to cheer and stuff) but they are the loudest. Canucks fans are retarded. They just don't know how to give their team momentum.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Stu, everyone says it. All the players (from opposing teams even) say it, all the broadcasters (CBC broadcasters) say it, referees have said it before, and most non-hockey fans agree, Edmonton fans in the play-offs are the loudest. Just from seeing the game against Philly in Toronto on CBC I can say without much doubt that Toronto isn't as loud as Edmonton was in their first home game against Dallas this series.

[Perfect Stu]

fair enough, man....I wasn't arguing with you

but you still didn't answer my question :p

[Stonecutter]

OHHHHHH SNAP


Redwing's gonna get swept out of the first round!


Well, the hawks won't win anything for a long time, but this game is going to be fun to watch. I can't wait to see hockey's Yankees get blown out of the (Arrowhead) Pond tonight.


AFLAAAAAAAAAAAAK!!!!!!!!1one!!!1

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
fair enough, man....I wasn't arguing with you

but you still didn't answer my question :p

:) No Leafs games for me.

And Stonecutter, I wouldn't say that Detroit is hockey's Yankees if you mean that they spend tons of money and are always ahead of everyone, but maybe you just meant they're always on top of the league, I dunno. I'd say the Rangers would be hockey's Yankees, but they never win, so... Yeah Rangers suck.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!

[Stonecutter]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
:) No Leafs games for me.

And Stonecutter, I wouldn't say that Detroit is hockey's Yankees if you mean that they spend tons of money and are always ahead of everyone, but maybe you just meant they're always on top of the league, I dunno. I'd say the Rangers would be hockey's Yankees, but they never win, so... Yeah Rangers suck.

You sure about that?

Going through the rosters, lets take a look at the Shoe in/On the bubble hall of famers and for the yankees some of the really good young players.

Sergei Fedorov*
Igor Larionov
Steve Yzerman*
Luc Robitaille
Brendan Shanahan
Brett Hull
Chris Chelios
Nicklas Lidstrom*
Curtis Joeseph

Roger Clemmens
David Wells
Mike Mussina
Andy Pettitte*
Mariano Rivera*
Derek Jeter*
Alfonso Soriano*
Jason Giambi
Bernie Williams*


The players with the *'s are the only players who have played their entire careers with their team, and that's still not a very good measure because the Russians on the Red Wings were bought out by detroit after the fall of the soviet union, most of them would still be playing in "home country"

[Null]

still unclear of what you mean by hockeys yankees tho. you need to clear that up.

Chris is right tho about the money thing. Rangers have the highest salary or most spending or something. i forget what it is exactly but i know its been said a few times recently. rangers spend more.
detroit is Number 2 in that catagory.

Also. cant say im upset about my wings. i support them win or loss. but its hard to get upset when you already won the cup the year before. colorado fans or devil fans maybe could agree on that one. you need that hunger to want the cup again to try and win it. thats why repeats are so hard. Go Wings. :) we be back next year.

*wonders if he shouldnt of been making fun of flyers innability to score last year tho. :D * hehe

[Perfect Stu]

Holy crap. That Leafs-Flyers game last night was UNREAL. Bad break that the Leafs lost, though :(

This is one of the better playoff series in recent history...

GO LEAFS GO

[Stonecutter]

The majority of the power core for both the yankees and the red wings are players not from their own system. The redwings may not be #1 in spending but they still go out and attempt to buy the cup every year, just like the yankees with the world series.

Both teams also tend to sign players who are near the very end of their career who only come to the team to win a cup. Robitaille and Chelios are good examples as are David Cone (a few years back) and Roger Celmmens.

Osgood leaves, get hasek, hasek retires, get CoJo.

Lose Tino Martinez to the cards, sign Giambi, David Cone gets too old, pick up Mike Mussina.

The rangers may try to be the yankees, but it won't change the fact that the Red Wings ARE hockey's yankees.

[The Germanator]

Phew! FLyers got lucky last night, Belfour gave up some weak goals thankfully..Now we have momentum going back home, we better use it while we can...Oh yeah, Darcy Tucker has become my most hated player. Did you see that FLOP? Totally ridiculous, that's the kind of stuff that ruins the integrity of the game of hockey.

[Crono]

Both of the goals that the Flyers got in regulation time were pretty cheap if you ask me... one was a bad angle, and the other deflected off of Belfour's skate... but I suppose that was his fault. I'm surprised the Leafs didn't get their ass kicked.. after 2 periods they only got SIX freakin shots. That's terrible. I see this series going to game 7, with the Leafs winning of course :)

[Joeiss]

Tucker rocks... I think you are just jealous of him.


;)


I was very unimpressed with the fans, though. I didn't hear any GO LEAFS GO chants or cheers from hits... The crowd definately disappointed me last nite.. oh well!!

[Perfect Stu]

If Tucker has another fan hating him, he's doing his job :D

What 'flop' are you talking about, Germy? When the 240+lb Brashear pushed Tucker's 185lb frame to the ice?

Darcy has been one of the most valuable players in the series thus far...people love calling him a diver because he plays a rough game and gets knocked down a lot because he's SMALL. It doesn't take much to take him down...but him being taken down and taking down others is his game, and not many do it better than him :)

[Null]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
The majority of the power core for both the yankees and the red wings are players not from their own system. The redwings may not be #1 in spending but they still go out and attempt to buy the cup every year, just like the yankees with the world series.

Both teams also tend to sign players who are near the very end of their career who only come to the team to win a cup. Robitaille and Chelios are good examples as are David Cone (a few years back) and Roger Celmmens.

Osgood leaves, get hasek, hasek retires, get CoJo.

Lose Tino Martinez to the cards, sign Giambi, David Cone gets too old, pick up Mike Mussina.

The rangers may try to be the yankees, but it won't change the fact that the Red Wings ARE hockey's yankees.


:rolleyes:

so you find out the facts arent what you think so you change what you think to fit better?

come on man. your facts arent all there.


Wings arent going out and dishing as much as possible to get every player they can.

you know many of thoes players.... Cujo, Robitialle, Hull. Actually took PAY CUTS to be on the redwings because its where they wanted to go. Toronto offered Cujo more money to stay then the wings offered him.

and hasek came BEFORE osgood left.. Wings wernt even planning on looking for a goalie. Buffulo called up the wings GM out of the blue and started talking about verious things. cuz they know each other. then poped in the Question..... Hey, hasek is looking for a trade, you interested? why on gods green earth would wings NOT say hell yea to that?
And the Blues offered Hasek quite a deal more money.
Osgood left because he didnt want to be the backup goalie.
When Wings went looking for a new goalie to replace Hasek, they were determined NOT to spend any more then they were paying Hasek.

Some of the wings Players like Yzerman actually offered to take pay cuts to get Hull in.
one reason why i really respect yzerman, he doesnt care about the money as much as the game.

Not to say the Wings dont have thier money grabbers. AKA Federov. whom i dunno is truly going to be there next year.

But point being. Wings arent going out every time and buying as many players as they can with thier money alone. these players wanted to come.

not to say the wings havnt done it to some players, but so have many other teams.

i dont quite think your analogy of wings and yankees is all that great.


Also from your list above of the players. you left out a lot of players that have been with wings LONG time., and if your just mentioning the really good players. you missed some great rookies on thier team. seems to me you wanted to list the players that came later more then the ones that have been there a long time.

[Null]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
If Tucker has another fan hating him, he's doing his job :D

What 'flop' are you talking about, Germy? When the 240+lb Brashear pushed Tucker's 185lb frame to the ice?


i think he might mean when whoever it was got an elbow up? i think. and it looked tucker kinda got knocked out for a bit.


i dont think it was a flop. he got hit across the jaw. his whole body prolly went numb for a sec.

he might of prolonged it a bit, and got his team a couple minutes of rest out of it. cuz he seemed awful perky a second later.

but dont think it was a flop.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

The Rangers are just like the Yankees, only difference is that they never win.

Detroit has had Yzerman, Shanahan, McCarty, Maltby, Lidstrom, Fedorov, among others have been in Detroit for a long while now. Look at the Rangers... Messier and Leetch. Richter too but he doesn't play right now. Detroit does what all rich teams do every year, just like Dallas, just like Colorado, just like St. Louis, they go out and get a big name guy to fill some spots. The Rangers just buy EVERYONE without any thought and spend insane amounts of money to get them. Holik $9 million?

Oh yeah, and I forgot to say... I'm going to game 6 of Oilers/Stars at Edmonton, hopefully Oilers can win tonight and make it possible to knock out Dallas in game 6. Wooo!

[Stonecutter]

Originally posted by Null
:rolleyes:

so you find out the facts arent what you think so you change what you think to fit better?

come on man. your facts arent all there.


Wings arent going out and dishing as much as possible to get every player they can.

you know many of thoes players.... Cujo, Robitialle, Hull. Actually took PAY CUTS to be on the redwings because its where they wanted to go. Toronto offered Cujo more money to stay then the wings offered him.

and hasek came BEFORE osgood left.. Wings wernt even planning on looking for a goalie. Buffulo called up the wings GM out of the blue and started talking about verious things. cuz they know each other. then poped in the Question..... Hey, hasek is looking for a trade, you interested? why on gods green earth would wings NOT say hell yea to that?
And the Blues offered Hasek quite a deal more money.
Osgood left because he didnt want to be the backup goalie.
When Wings went looking for a new goalie to replace Hasek, they were determined NOT to spend any more then they were paying Hasek.

Some of the wings Players like Yzerman actually offered to take pay cuts to get Hull in.
one reason why i really respect yzerman, he doesnt care about the money as much as the game.

Not to say the Wings dont have thier money grabbers. AKA Federov. whom i dunno is truly going to be there next year.

But point being. Wings arent going out every time and buying as many players as they can with thier money alone. these players wanted to come.

not to say the wings havnt done it to some players, but so have many other teams.

i dont quite think your analogy of wings and yankees is all that great.


Also from your list above of the players. you left out a lot of players that have been with wings LONG time., and if your just mentioning the really good players. you missed some great rookies on thier team. seems to me you wanted to list the players that came later more then the ones that have been there a long time.

Huh? So just because the Wings are #2 and not #1 means they're not the yankees of hockey? Because they're 2nd that makes a big difference? They still operate their organizatoin the same way as the yankees. They go out and build their own dream team. You don't think that whole "Take less to play for the team" doesn't apply to the Yankees too? Jason Giambi could get way more than 8 million a year, Bernie williams could probably get more than 12 million a year (Though I wouldn't expect him to sign for more than 12 millon next time his contract is up, If he were a free agent this year, he could probably get 15 million) Look up and down the yankees line up, there's nobody making 20-25 million a year, but almost EVERYONE is right around 10 million.

The Rangers aren't Hockey's Yankees, the rangers are Hockey's Mets. Ironicly the mets have the second highest salary in baseball to the yankees, but they operate exactly like the Rangers, overpay a ton of players.


and hasek came BEFORE osgood left.. Wings wernt even planning on looking for a goalie. Buffulo called up the wings GM out of the blue and started talking about verious things. cuz they know each other. then poped in the Question..... Hey, hasek is looking for a trade, you interested? why on gods green earth would wings NOT say hell yea to that?
And the Blues offered Hasek quite a deal more money.
Osgood left because he didnt want to be the backup goalie.
When Wings went looking for a new goalie to replace Hasek, they were determined NOT to spend any more then they were paying Hasek.

Alright, you got me there, but that's ONE example, but I'm trying to prove that the red wings are the yankees of hockey? How can you possibly say they're not? They go out and buy tons of superstars, they actively trade to help bolster their team, just like the yankees. They also tend to win a lot.

Ok Here.

Name baseball team that the Red Wings parallel more accurately than the Yankees

Find a farly successfull baseball team that that's near the top of their respective league in spending and is active in making player-personal moves.

[Perfect Stu]

Null, why are being so defensive? What's wrong with being 'the Yankees of hockey'? :confused:

and I liked how you said Yzerman doesn't care about money as much as the game. I mean I would agree with that...it's just funny because he's still being paid millions per year ;) (same goes for any star)

[Null]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
Null, why are being so defensive? What's wrong with being 'the Yankees of hockey'? :confused:

and I liked how you said Yzerman doesn't care about money as much as the game. I mean I would agree with that...it's just funny because he's still being paid millions per year ;) (same goes for any star)

yes he is. im not saying he never did. im not sure about that.

i think more then anything the Wings kept offering him more money to stay each year. rather then him requesting it.

and like i said he offered to cut his pay to make his team better.

Federov, he's been offered money already. and turned it down cuz he wants more. and he's held out half a season before because he wants more money. he complains about it. and so on.

[Null]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
Alright, you got me there, but that's ONE example, but I'm trying to prove that the red wings are the yankees of hockey? How can you possibly say they're not? They go out and buy tons of superstars, they actively trade to help bolster their team, just like the yankees. They also tend to win a lot.


im not saying thier not similar. or dont operate similar.

most teams do, and or would if they could. I'm saying as far as buying players and using thier money to get more players. Rangers are more like yankees in that respect.

Wings have a lot more players that have been with them for a long time and or thier whole carreer then Rangers do.

just because rangers dont spend thier money wisely or dont play well doesnt mean thier less similar.

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu


What 'flop' are you talking about, Germy? When the 240+lb Brashear pushed Tucker's 185lb frame to the ice?


No, the one where the nearly just as small Amonte put on a mediocre hit and Tucker goes down and lays on the ice for about two minutes. He gets up, plays his next shift, and acts as if nothing at all happened to him. When I first saw him down on the ice, it looked like he had just been shot. I just don't like the over-exageration.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by The Germanator
No, the one where the nearly just as small Amonte put on a mediocre hit and Tucker goes down and lays on the ice for about two minutes. He gets up, plays his next shift, and acts as if nothing at all happened to him. When I first saw him down on the ice, it looked like he had just been shot. I just don't like the over-exageration.

hmm

sorta like how Roenick got hit, looked for the ref to raise his arm, then went down...then he got up soon afterwards and got in Tucker's face?

Tucker got an elbow in the jaw...I'll bet he overplayed it, but the next time you get an elbow in the jaw from a hockey player, I doubt you'd be doing cartwheels

over-exaggeration has been in every physical sport for YEARS. it hasn't ruined the integrity of any of them ( except for soccer/futbol, where when you get touched, you fall down and get taken off by a stretcher :lol: )

[Joeiss]

Okay, everybody, I mean everybody stays down longer than they have to when they get hit. Why? So it looks like the hit was very hard, and perhaps a penalty. Don't just isolate Tucker, because almost everybody is hockey does it.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Well, not EVERYONE does it and some guys do it more frequently or obviously than others. You won't see Yzerman flopping around for one.

On the subject of divers, the 2002 Russian Junior team that won gold were the biggest bunch of divers I've ever seen. Russia sucks.

[Stonecutter]

Can't talk about taking dives without mentioning the king of the dive

Dino Ciccerelli

DI-NO SUCKS DI-NO SUCKS DI-NO SUCKS

[Null]

Dino dont play anymore does he?

man, havnt seen him in years.

i miss him. hehehe

[Joeiss]

Dino was the man... lol...

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Stonecutter, let me guess, you don't like the Red Wings?

Right now I see Forsberg as a huge diver. I just hate him.

[Stonecutter]

You are correct sir.

I don't like the yankees either.

[Seth]

ahhhhhhhh

5-3.


Anyway, i'm not sure who's the biggest diver in the league...but i know who the biggest whiner is. Chris Chelios. He's always whining about everything. When the league was calling penalties at the beginning of the year he was all pissed off about it. A while ago he said that Paul Kariya is the biggest diver in the league. And so on. THe guy never shuts up.

I don't mind detroit. I really couldn't care what team Chelios is on. He's a little bitch.

[The Germanator]

Woohoo! Flyers looked mighty fine today, I was pretty confident we'd win this one at home after the huge momentum swing of that 3 OT game (very similar to when the flyers won the 5 OT game two years ago against Pittsburgh...) Anyway, looking forward to game 6. :)

[ZebraRampage]

Maybe this year the Flyers will actually make it to the second round. That was a good game. And except for those two shots tgat hit the post and the goal by the Maple Leafs, Checmanek seemed to be on today. I liked that block he made with his toe, and then the glove stop...it wasn't really a save because he didn't catch it, but if nobody was infront of the goal then it probably would have been a goal.

[Joeiss]

That was a good game played by the Flyers.. The same cannot be said for the leafs.

[Mushlafa]

haha leafs got killed :)

[Null]

OMG!!!!! GO WILD!!!!!!!!!!!! Overtime Game Winner! whata game!

[Seth]

:( Poor leafs.


yay for minnesota. Oh, and now that the canucks have their playoff legs i'm predicting a 4 game sweep on the wild.

I'm so glad colorado is out.


EDIT: oh ya, and Canucks coming back from a 3-1 series deficit. I'm giddy. Only 17 teams in the NHL's history to ever do that and now the Canucks have done it 3 times.

[Stonecutter]

HOW AWESOME was that OT winner for the wild?!!?!!?!?!

Wow.

I loved what Steve Levy said at the start of overtime.

"Sportcenter to follow... unless you're watching on ESPN classic"

Not really going out on a limb there, in fact it wouldn't shock me if this is one of those "instant classics."

[Joeiss]

Wow.... My worst case scenerio came true! D'oh. Oh well... Sucks that the leafs lost, but I wish that the game 7 could have been a closer game, just so it could represent the series truefully... Oh well... There is always next years for the buds.

[Ravishing Rick Rude]

So another kinda cool thing bout this years playoffs, two teams in the same conference, in the same year, came back from 3-1 down to win.


Heh, way to be teams lol

[marionette]

I'd say the Red Wings are going to win..but nope. not this year. I'm mad they got swept. The Ducks are pretty killer this year..well their goalie is. Personally, I would like to see the ducks win it all..but you never know.